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RE: What If Things Went Better for the Big East/AAC around 2012-13?
(05-29-2019 05:44 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(05-28-2019 11:29 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(05-24-2019 01:32 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  This league still would have been unstable long-term, mostly due to the reality that it was inevitable that the basketball schools were going to leave.

Yup. When the no-football schools left, it was better for them, and also better for the football-playing schools. Should have happened much earlier, and probably the only reason it didn't was that when Tranghese was commissioner he was hellbent on keeping the two groups together.


Nah they were better together. At least together it creates a flagship basketball conference that engages the fan bases. Separately you had two conferences battling to be the 4/5 best conference.


(05-28-2019 11:44 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  In 2018-2019, that conference would have had 9 NCAA tournament bids. They'd have won 4 of the last 7 national championships in basketball.

Not as deep as the 2005-2013 Big East, but better at the top.

And 5 of the last 8 (2011, 2013, 2014, 2016, and 2018).

No they aren't. I'm pretty sure the BE finished in the top 3 more times than 5th. Also no way they want to play ECU, Tulane, SMU, U_F or Tulsa yearly.
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RE: What If Things Went Better for the Big East/AAC around 2012-13?
(05-29-2019 06:41 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 05:44 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(05-28-2019 11:29 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(05-24-2019 01:32 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  This league still would have been unstable long-term, mostly due to the reality that it was inevitable that the basketball schools were going to leave.

Yup. When the no-football schools left, it was better for them, and also better for the football-playing schools. Should have happened much earlier, and probably the only reason it didn't was that when Tranghese was commissioner he was hellbent on keeping the two groups together.


Nah they were better together. At least together it creates a flagship basketball conference that engages the fan bases. Separately you had two conferences battling to be the 4/5 best conference.


(05-28-2019 11:44 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  In 2018-2019, that conference would have had 9 NCAA tournament bids. They'd have won 4 of the last 7 national championships in basketball.

Not as deep as the 2005-2013 Big East, but better at the top.

And 5 of the last 8 (2011, 2013, 2014, 2016, and 2018).

No they aren't. I'm pretty sure the BE finished in the top 3 more times than 5th. Also no way they want to play ECU, Tulane, SMU, U_F or Tulsa yearly.

In this scenario, you’d have an additional conference in competition, including one that shared a majority of their footprint. It would be like a stronger version of the AAC with a footprint shift north and east,

Also you’re comparing 2016- version of these conferences. I’m specifically referring to them splitting earlier. The current big east teams (catholic version) were not in near as strong of a position at that time. For that matter a couple of the teams that would be in the football version of the conference we’re not as strong then as they are now.

Together they were he number one conference. Separate, as I said, they’d have been competing for who’s 4/5 (meaning the lesser conference would be 4/5 not the better one). The ACC and big ten would be the top two, then the big 12, big east football and big east basketball conferences would be battling for 3-5.
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RE: What If Things Went Better for the Big East/AAC around 2012-13?
(05-29-2019 07:09 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 06:41 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 05:44 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(05-28-2019 11:29 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(05-24-2019 01:32 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  This league still would have been unstable long-term, mostly due to the reality that it was inevitable that the basketball schools were going to leave.

Yup. When the no-football schools left, it was better for them, and also better for the football-playing schools. Should have happened much earlier, and probably the only reason it didn't was that when Tranghese was commissioner he was hellbent on keeping the two groups together.


Nah they were better together. At least together it creates a flagship basketball conference that engages the fan bases. Separately you had two conferences battling to be the 4/5 best conference.


(05-28-2019 11:44 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  In 2018-2019, that conference would have had 9 NCAA tournament bids. They'd have won 4 of the last 7 national championships in basketball.

Not as deep as the 2005-2013 Big East, but better at the top.

And 5 of the last 8 (2011, 2013, 2014, 2016, and 2018).

No they aren't. I'm pretty sure the BE finished in the top 3 more times than 5th. Also no way they want to play ECU, Tulane, SMU, U_F or Tulsa yearly.

In this scenario, you’d have an additional conference in competition, including one that shared a majority of their footprint. It would be like a stronger version of the AAC with a footprint shift north and east,

Also you’re comparing 2016- version of these conferences. I’m specifically referring to them splitting earlier. The current big east teams (catholic version) were not in near as strong of a position at that time. For that matter a couple of the teams that would be in the football version of the conference we’re not as strong then as they are now.

Together they were he number one conference. Separate, as I said, they’d have been competing for who’s 4/5 (meaning the lesser conference would be 4/5 not the better one). The ACC and big ten would be the top two, then the big 12, big east football and big east basketball conferences would be battling for 3-5.

Okay whatever, i'm not gonna argue about a hypothetical.
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RE: What If Things Went Better for the Big East/AAC around 2012-13?
(05-29-2019 07:26 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Okay whatever, i'm not gonna argue about a hypothetical.

Yet my post was replied to, specifically because you did argue a hypothetical 04-chairshot
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You weren't stopping the schools that left (ND, Rutgers, Syracuse, Pitt, and WV) and Tulane was voted in for all sports by the remaining C7. The remaining C7 also voted Navy and ECU in for FB only I believe but the conference failed on TCU for all sports as they were heading to the B-12 with WV.

New BE:

C6 BB / Olympic Sports - St. Johns, Seton Hall, G'Town, Providence, Marquette, and DePaul.

All Sports - Villanova, UConn, Temple, USF, UCF, Houston, SMU, Tulane, Memphis, and Cinn.

FB Only: Navy and ECU with the rest of ECU's sports joining the A-10.

This would still keep the BE as a tweener conference and definitely P6 for BB. The initial TV package would have been a lot more too by keeping the C7 with in the group and playing Fox Sports against ESPN or by splitting the contract between the two. 07-coffee3
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