This extends to basketball, too. We had a black eye (and still do) with our academic perception due to Cal. I was an undergrad during the Cal era, and Tyreke Evans and Derrick Rose rarely went to class. The revenue sports were mostly a joke academically. Since then, I've had the chance to see many different universities-- and it's not like this at most places-- including at SEC schools. We have this little brother syndrome that "other schools do it" when in reality it's the Louisvilles and FSUs of the world that engage in these tactics. Scholarship should always be placed above athletics.

(05-26-2019 10:24 AM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(05-26-2019 08:54 AM)Dak10 Wrote:  It’s absolutely unfair to continue to give this kid an athletic scholarship if athletics are no longer a priority. If he isn’t putting in time in the weight room, film room, etc. and another kid is then that kid is more deserving of the athletic scholarship.

Has anyone implied that he wasn't giving his all athletically?

I think it would be difficult to do a full remodel of a house and take a full course load while keeping up athletically with your teammates spending that time in the weight room or the film room.

Here is a look at his replacement. Norvell feels he is more deserving of the athletic scholarship:

(05-25-2019 12:40 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(05-24-2019 02:03 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(05-24-2019 01:57 PM)JhanJo Wrote:  Sounds like a heck of a guy. I mean buying your first rental property while you’re still in college!?? He’s off and running.

While I get the idea of committing to a kid and continuing to keep him on scholarship, I think because he graduated the school honored their end of the deal in this case.

Read his twitter post. He did it early to try to squeeze in his MBA debt free, which is why he chose Memphis over HARVARD...

Loses MAJOR points by calling it Harvard "University."

Not following... Harvard University is correct. Harvard "College" is a school within the university.

I'd agree that schools should honor their commitments to the student athlete but in this case it seems that he did actually graduate so the original scholarship is complete.

For those comparing this to academic scholarship requirements, those typically have pretty low baseline requirements and aren't a serious "performance" requirement. When I was in school (c/o 2010) i think mine was like a 2.75 or something like that. The only way i would've dropped below is if i literally just stopped showing up to school.

(05-24-2019 02:03 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(05-24-2019 01:57 PM)JhanJo Wrote:  Sounds like a heck of a guy. I mean buying your first rental property while you’re still in college!?? He’s off and running.

While I get the idea of committing to a kid and continuing to keep him on scholarship, I think because he graduated the school honored their end of the deal in this case.

Read his twitter post. He did it early to try to squeeze in his MBA debt free, which is why he chose Memphis over HARVARD...

lol

(05-26-2019 11:02 AM)Dak10 Wrote:  

(05-26-2019 10:24 AM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(05-26-2019 08:54 AM)Dak10 Wrote:  It’s absolutely unfair to continue to give this kid an athletic scholarship if athletics are no longer a priority. If he isn’t putting in time in the weight room, film room, etc. and another kid is then that kid is more deserving of the athletic scholarship.

Has anyone implied that he wasn't giving his all athletically?

I think it would be difficult to do a full remodel of a house and take a full course load while keeping up athletically with your teammates spending that time in the weight room or the film room.

Here is a look at his replacement. Norvell feels be is more deserving of the athletic scholarship:

A kid that is awaiting 2nd degree felony assault charges. Even better

One and dones theoretically don't have to go to class
Miss entire first semester, go on probation, miss entire second semester
BOH Making BIG MONEY NBA

(05-26-2019 01:57 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(05-26-2019 11:02 AM)Dak10 Wrote:  

(05-26-2019 10:24 AM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(05-26-2019 08:54 AM)Dak10 Wrote:  It’s absolutely unfair to continue to give this kid an athletic scholarship if athletics are no longer a priority. If he isn’t putting in time in the weight room, film room, etc. and another kid is then that kid is more deserving of the athletic scholarship.

Has anyone implied that he wasn't giving his all athletically?

I think it would be difficult to do a full remodel of a house and take a full course load while keeping up athletically with your teammates spending that time in the weight room or the film room.

Here is a look at his replacement. Norvell feels be is more deserving of the athletic scholarship:

A kid that is awaiting 2nd degree felony assault charges. Even better

The fight was prompted by a racial slur. Now, I understand.

(05-26-2019 02:43 PM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  

(05-26-2019 01:57 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(05-26-2019 11:02 AM)Dak10 Wrote:  

(05-26-2019 10:24 AM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(05-26-2019 08:54 AM)Dak10 Wrote:  It’s absolutely unfair to continue to give this kid an athletic scholarship if athletics are no longer a priority. If he isn’t putting in time in the weight room, film room, etc. and another kid is then that kid is more deserving of the athletic scholarship.

Has anyone implied that he wasn't giving his all athletically?

I think it would be difficult to do a full remodel of a house and take a full course load while keeping up athletically with your teammates spending that time in the weight room or the film room.

Here is a look at his replacement. Norvell feels be is more deserving of the athletic scholarship:

A kid that is awaiting 2nd degree felony assault charges. Even better

The fight was prompted by a racial slur. Now, I understand.

Quote:The trial for an Alabama defensive back and former West Orange-Stark standout facing a second-degree felony charge of aggravated assault is scheduled to begin October 8, according to records from Galveston County.

The 2019 NFL draft prospect is one of four Southeast Texans accused of assaulting Noah Frillou on March 18, 2017 at Crystal Beach. Rufus Joseph, Morris Joseph Jr., and Daletredricc Wolfford were also charged with aggravated assault following the brawl.

Wolfford will also face a jury trial on the assault charges, currently scheduled to begin January 14, records show.

Rufus Joseph pleaded guilty to a lesser charge of misdemeanor assault September 10 and was sentenced to one year in Galveston County jail with 184 days credited for time already served, court records show.

He was released from custody the same day, jail officials confirmed.

County records show no scheduled trial for Morris Joseph. An affidavit obtained by The Enterprise in April 2017 alleged that he threw the initial punch.

Morris Joseph posted the following tweet Thursday afternoon:

Frillou, of Orange, was hospitalized after the fight. Four permanent plates were put in his face, and his jaw was wired shut. One witness told police that the fight was prompted by a racial slur.

Since when do scholarships have names on them showing the succession from one athlete to another?

(05-26-2019 01:57 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(05-26-2019 11:02 AM)Dak10 Wrote:  

(05-26-2019 10:24 AM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(05-26-2019 08:54 AM)Dak10 Wrote:  It’s absolutely unfair to continue to give this kid an athletic scholarship if athletics are no longer a priority. If he isn’t putting in time in the weight room, film room, etc. and another kid is then that kid is more deserving of the athletic scholarship.

Has anyone implied that he wasn't giving his all athletically?

I think it would be difficult to do a full remodel of a house and take a full course load while keeping up athletically with your teammates spending that time in the weight room or the film room.

Here is a look at his replacement. Norvell feels be is more deserving of the athletic scholarship:

A kid that is awaiting 2nd degree felony assault charges. Even better

Not a big fan of this move. According to arrest sheet he also threw the first punch.

(05-26-2019 09:53 AM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  Why did Hunter write this story? What's the purpose?

It's human nature to get salty when you feel you've been wronged.

He's doing it in a passive aggressive way, which shows he's still got some growing to do.

He received a scholarship through his graduation day. Commitment fulfilled by Norvell.

These things happen all the time. It's just in this circumstance, the kid made it public.

I’m blue in the face ( good color I guess) with people upset with a kid that never played, was never gonna play, that got a free college education, complaining about not getting grad school paid for. Holy Nancy pelosi! Move on from this!!

Would this even rise to discussion at all if Hill wasn't from the Memphis area? This happens in D-1 FB every year. We even get some of our guys who have been squeezed out elsewhere. He got his degree with a scholarship - contract fulfilled.

(05-26-2019 04:48 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  

(05-26-2019 09:53 AM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  Why did Hunter write this story? What's the purpose?

It's human nature to get salty when you feel you've been wronged.

He wasn't wronged he was dissed. Much different.

(05-26-2019 01:57 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  [quote='Dak10' pid='16119264' dateline='1558886526']
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A kid that is awaiting 2nd degree felony assault charges. Even better

He deserves a 2nd chance.

(05-26-2019 03:04 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Since when do scholarships have names on them showing the succession from one athlete to another?

Hill said in the letter he was being replaced with a defensive end. He is the defensive end we just signed.

(05-24-2019 01:29 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  I disagree with the majority here. Strongly.

A scholarship is a commitment. On paper it's a year to year thing, but in reality you are telling a kid if he commits to you, you commit to him.

Barring a egregious lack of effort or discipline / grade issues, a scholarship should be honored. Period, full stop.

If a player decides to transfer for different opportunities, that's fine and part of the gig.

Pulling a player's scholarship in good standing is crap.

Wait... so, you are 100% behind a player not honoring a commitment, but think the coach doing the exact same thing is somehow crap?!!

That opinion is hypocritical crap.

Hill graduated on scholarship. Nothing pulled. Nothing in the scholarship contract says anything about being valid for 4yrs of eligibility. Again he graduated. Anyone else, not on athletic scholarship would have had to pay for all of those semester hours whether used in 3 yrs or 4 yrs.

(05-26-2019 05:12 PM)shirley temple Wrote:  I’m blue in the face ( good color I guess) with people upset with a kid that never played, was never gonna play, that got a free college education, complaining about not getting grad school paid for. Holy Nancy pelosi! Move on from this!!

Absolutely!! The price of being relevant in football.

I played baseball for two years and then had my scholarship pulled for a player who was not as good as me. The difference is I tore my knee up my freshman year and tore my shoulder up my sophomore year. Both injuries occurred during team activities (I was not out playing pickup basketball or flag football). I did everything I was supposed to do in terms of rehab and staying in great shape. However, at the end of the day the staff made the decision to take my scholarship and give it to someone who was not as good but also was not injury prone. I did not cry about it. I was mature enough to understand that the staff wanted to win and my teammates wanted and deserved the best opportunity to win. The staff felt like another player provided everyone a better opportunity to win and so they made their decision. I was grateful for the couple of years I got to play and then moved on and finished my education with less debt than I otherwise would have as a regular student. I have been where he is at, except for the fact that I did not finish my education on a full scholarship. This kid has absolutely nothing to be upset about, just sounds like he has a little growing up left to do...