(05-24-2019 02:15 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-24-2019 01:40 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(05-24-2019 01:29 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  I disagree with the majority here. Strongly.

A scholarship is a commitment. On paper it's a year to year thing, but in reality you are telling a kid if he commits to you, you commit to him.

Barring a egregious lack of effort or discipline / grade issues, a scholarship should be honored. Period, full stop.

If a player decides to transfer for different opportunities, that's fine and part of the gig.

Pulling a player's scholarship in good standing is crap.

Academic scholarships get yanked all of the time from students who do not perform well enough academically. Why would athletic scholarships be any different for players not performing well enough athletically?

Totally different scenarios...

Your academic scholarship will not get pulled because there are "smarter" kids who need the scholarship. If you make the grades you keep your scholarship regardless of what everyone else is doing.

His athletic scholarship is being pulled so the coach can cover his a55 and continue to make millions by replacing kids that the coach didn't do a good job evaluating out of high school.

You realize Penny just pulled at least 3 scholarships because he's getting better players this year. Does your last sentence apply to him?

(05-24-2019 02:25 PM)tigerbmw Wrote:  

(05-24-2019 02:15 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-24-2019 01:40 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(05-24-2019 01:29 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  I disagree with the majority here. Strongly.

A scholarship is a commitment. On paper it's a year to year thing, but in reality you are telling a kid if he commits to you, you commit to him.

Barring a egregious lack of effort or discipline / grade issues, a scholarship should be honored. Period, full stop.

If a player decides to transfer for different opportunities, that's fine and part of the gig.

Pulling a player's scholarship in good standing is crap.

Academic scholarships get yanked all of the time from students who do not perform well enough academically. Why would athletic scholarships be any different for players not performing well enough athletically?

Totally different scenarios...

Your academic scholarship will not get pulled because there are "smarter" kids who need the scholarship. If you make the grades you keep your scholarship regardless of what everyone else is doing.

His athletic scholarship is being pulled so the coach can cover his a55 and continue to make millions by replacing kids that the coach didn't do a good job evaluating out of high school.

You realize Penny just pulled at least 3 scholarships because he's getting better players this year. Does your last sentence apply to him?

I was waiting for this.

Those players, assumedly, decided to transfer over playing time.

If Enoh, Jones, or Wingett wanted to stay, we made a commitment to them and I would hope it would be honored.

Sitting a kid and telling him his minutes don't exist is not the same as telling him his scholarship doesn't exist.

If you can tell me Penny forced them to leave at the threat of not renewing their financial aid, then I'll say the same about him.

(05-24-2019 02:25 PM)tigerbmw Wrote:  

(05-24-2019 02:15 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-24-2019 01:40 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(05-24-2019 01:29 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  I disagree with the majority here. Strongly.

A scholarship is a commitment. On paper it's a year to year thing, but in reality you are telling a kid if he commits to you, you commit to him.

Barring a egregious lack of effort or discipline / grade issues, a scholarship should be honored. Period, full stop.

If a player decides to transfer for different opportunities, that's fine and part of the gig.

Pulling a player's scholarship in good standing is crap.

Academic scholarships get yanked all of the time from students who do not perform well enough academically. Why would athletic scholarships be any different for players not performing well enough athletically?

Totally different scenarios...

Your academic scholarship will not get pulled because there are "smarter" kids who need the scholarship. If you make the grades you keep your scholarship regardless of what everyone else is doing.

His athletic scholarship is being pulled so the coach can cover his a55 and continue to make millions by replacing kids that the coach didn't do a good job evaluating out of high school.

You realize Penny just pulled at least 3 scholarships because he's getting better players this year. Does your last sentence apply to him?

Absolutely...

Read my post history and I am 100% consistent. If a kid is doing what he is supposed to do he should keep his scholly. I said the same thing in the Wingett thread.

Not a fan of pulling a scholarship unless there are behavioral or academic issues. As someone mentioned earlier, these aren’t professional sports.

(05-24-2019 02:15 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-24-2019 01:40 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(05-24-2019 01:29 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  I disagree with the majority here. Strongly.

A scholarship is a commitment. On paper it's a year to year thing, but in reality you are telling a kid if he commits to you, you commit to him.

Barring a egregious lack of effort or discipline / grade issues, a scholarship should be honored. Period, full stop.

If a player decides to transfer for different opportunities, that's fine and part of the gig.

Pulling a player's scholarship in good standing is crap.

Academic scholarships get yanked all of the time from students who do not perform well enough academically. Why would athletic scholarships be any different for players not performing well enough athletically?

Totally different scenarios...

Your academic scholarship will not get pulled because there are "smarter" kids who need the scholarship. If you make the grades you keep your scholarship regardless of what everyone else is doing.

His athletic scholarship is being pulled so the coach can cover his a55 and continue to make millions by replacing kids that the coach didn't do a good job evaluating out of high school.

Not really. Makes the grades and contribute to the university or dont get your scholarship. You have perform at a certain level by keeping your GPA at a specific level or higher.

Exactly the same here. Perform at a certain level that allows you to contribute to the team or have your scholarship pulled.

The university does not pull academic scholarships to cover admin asses but because the student did not live up to the expected level. Same here, the player did not live up to the expected level and not because Norvell is concerned about losing his job if this kid stays on scholarship. What a joke. He is already projected to win every game this year...

(05-24-2019 03:05 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(05-24-2019 02:15 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-24-2019 01:40 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(05-24-2019 01:29 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  I disagree with the majority here. Strongly.

A scholarship is a commitment. On paper it's a year to year thing, but in reality you are telling a kid if he commits to you, you commit to him.

Barring a egregious lack of effort or discipline / grade issues, a scholarship should be honored. Period, full stop.

If a player decides to transfer for different opportunities, that's fine and part of the gig.

Pulling a player's scholarship in good standing is crap.

Academic scholarships get yanked all of the time from students who do not perform well enough academically. Why would athletic scholarships be any different for players not performing well enough athletically?

Totally different scenarios...

Your academic scholarship will not get pulled because there are "smarter" kids who need the scholarship. If you make the grades you keep your scholarship regardless of what everyone else is doing.

His athletic scholarship is being pulled so the coach can cover his a55 and continue to make millions by replacing kids that the coach didn't do a good job evaluating out of high school.

Not really. Makes the grades and contribute to the university or dont get your scholarship. You have perform at a certain level by keeping your GPA at a specific level or higher.

Exactly the same here. Perform at a certain level that allows you to contribute to the team or have your scholarship pulled.

The university does not pull academic scholarships to cover admin asses but because the student did not live up to the expected level. Same here, the player did not live up to the expected level and not because Norvell is concerned about losing his job if this kid stays on scholarship. What a joke. He is already projected to win every game this year...

Ummmm...Did you read my post

You said the same exact thing I said in the bolded statement.

The point is Norvell is pulling his scholarship because he has better options. If you are on academic scholarship it wont be pulled because better applicants have applied to the school or because we need better students in another major.

And no Norvell is not worried about losing his job...But I am sure we wants to increase his salary...Whether that is here or somewhere else. So he is covering up an evaluation mistake he made 3 years ago to improve his team.

Tis what it Tis.

(05-24-2019 02:29 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(05-24-2019 02:25 PM)tigerbmw Wrote:  

(05-24-2019 02:15 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-24-2019 01:40 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(05-24-2019 01:29 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  I disagree with the majority here. Strongly.

A scholarship is a commitment. On paper it's a year to year thing, but in reality you are telling a kid if he commits to you, you commit to him.

Academic scholarships get yanked all of the time from students who do not perform well enough academically. Why would athletic scholarships be any different for players not performing well enough athletically?

His athletic scholarship is being pulled so the coach can cover his a55 and continue to make millions by replacing kids that the coach didn't do a good job evaluating out of high school.

You realize Penny just pulled at least 3 scholarships because he's getting better players this year. Does your last sentence apply to him?

I was waiting for this. Those players, assumedly, decided to transfer over playing time.

If Enoh, Jones, or Wingett wanted to stay, we made a commitment to them and I would hope it would be honored.

Sitting a kid and telling him his minutes don't exist is not the same as telling him his scholarship doesn't exist.

If you can tell me Penny forced them to leave at the threat of not renewing their financial aid, then I'll say the same about him.

You're heart is in the right place, Sundance, but you're being naive, imo. Players in the revenue sports get run off. It's how Memphis ended up with Keiwone Malone a few years back, after Nick Saban ran him off.

Penny only has 13 scholarships. He can't wait to let somebody get their degree if they can't help him win games.

We had this discussion 6 weeks ago, people saying Penny and staff saying would never run players off. Which of course was not true. And the answer is he already did. Malik Rhodes played at Cal State San Bernardino this past year. Who do you think Malik would have rather played for the past 9 months? Penny Hardaway and Mike Miller? Or whoever the coaches are at Cal State San Bernardino?

(05-24-2019 08:36 AM)mapdude Wrote:  CMN pulls kid's scholarship. Discuss...

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screw norvell
I hope karma gets him.

(05-24-2019 03:12 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-24-2019 03:05 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(05-24-2019 02:15 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-24-2019 01:40 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(05-24-2019 01:29 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  I disagree with the majority here. Strongly.

A scholarship is a commitment. On paper it's a year to year thing, but in reality you are telling a kid if he commits to you, you commit to him.

Barring a egregious lack of effort or discipline / grade issues, a scholarship should be honored. Period, full stop.

If a player decides to transfer for different opportunities, that's fine and part of the gig.

Pulling a player's scholarship in good standing is crap.

Academic scholarships get yanked all of the time from students who do not perform well enough academically. Why would athletic scholarships be any different for players not performing well enough athletically?

Totally different scenarios...

Your academic scholarship will not get pulled because there are "smarter" kids who need the scholarship. If you make the grades you keep your scholarship regardless of what everyone else is doing.

His athletic scholarship is being pulled so the coach can cover his a55 and continue to make millions by replacing kids that the coach didn't do a good job evaluating out of high school.

Not really. Makes the grades and contribute to the university or dont get your scholarship. You have perform at a certain level by keeping your GPA at a specific level or higher.

Exactly the same here. Perform at a certain level that allows you to contribute to the team or have your scholarship pulled.

The university does not pull academic scholarships to cover admin asses but because the student did not live up to the expected level. Same here, the player did not live up to the expected level and not because Norvell is concerned about losing his job if this kid stays on scholarship. What a joke. He is already projected to win every game this year...

Ummmm...Did you read my post

You said the same exact thing I said in the bolded statement.

The point is Norvell is pulling his scholarship because he has better options. If you are on academic scholarship it wont be pulled because better applicants have applied to the school or because we need better students in another major.

And no Norvell is not worried about losing his job...But I am sure we wants to increase his salary...Whether that is here or somewhere else. So he is covering up an evaluation mistake he made 3 years ago to improve his team.

Tis what it Tis.

Yes. What we are disagreeing on is whether this player "kept is grades" or not. Your assumption is that his athletic performance was good enough to keep his performance. My stance is that in essence his athletic performance was at an equivalent of a 2.0 GPA, simply not high enough to keep his scholarship.

And again, this idea that this kid is costing Norvell a penny is an absurd conspiracy theory. He is not "covering up" an evaluation mistake because it may be used against in the future. Recruits do not pan out all of the time, it is not like that is an uncommon thing.

(05-24-2019 05:05 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(05-24-2019 03:12 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-24-2019 03:05 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(05-24-2019 02:15 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-24-2019 01:40 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  Academic scholarships get yanked all of the time from students who do not perform well enough academically. Why would athletic scholarships be any different for players not performing well enough athletically?

Totally different scenarios...

Your academic scholarship will not get pulled because there are "smarter" kids who need the scholarship. If you make the grades you keep your scholarship regardless of what everyone else is doing.

His athletic scholarship is being pulled so the coach can cover his a55 and continue to make millions by replacing kids that the coach didn't do a good job evaluating out of high school.

Not really. Makes the grades and contribute to the university or dont get your scholarship. You have perform at a certain level by keeping your GPA at a specific level or higher.

Exactly the same here. Perform at a certain level that allows you to contribute to the team or have your scholarship pulled.

The university does not pull academic scholarships to cover admin asses but because the student did not live up to the expected level. Same here, the player did not live up to the expected level and not because Norvell is concerned about losing his job if this kid stays on scholarship. What a joke. He is already projected to win every game this year...

Ummmm...Did you read my post

You said the same exact thing I said in the bolded statement.

The point is Norvell is pulling his scholarship because he has better options. If you are on academic scholarship it wont be pulled because better applicants have applied to the school or because we need better students in another major.

And no Norvell is not worried about losing his job...But I am sure we wants to increase his salary...Whether that is here or somewhere else. So he is covering up an evaluation mistake he made 3 years ago to improve his team.

Tis what it Tis.

Yes. What we are disagreeing on is whether this player "kept is grades" or not. Your assumption is that his athletic performance was good enough to keep his performance. My stance is that in essence his athletic performance was at an equivalent of a 2.0 GPA, simply not high enough to keep his scholarship.

And again, this idea that this kid is costing Norvell a penny is an absurd conspiracy theory. He is not "covering up" an evaluation mistake because it may be used against in the future. Recruits do not pan out all of the time, it is not like that is an uncommon thing.

I think SunDance and I just have a fundamental difference of opinion than everyone else. If an athlete is blowing off practice or not giving 100%, then pulling a scholarship may be warranted (again, behavioral or academic issues are reasons to pull a scholarship).

But if they are doing exactly what you recruited them to do, or even under performing but trying their hardest, I don't think it's right to pull the scholly simply because you misjudged talent or because you have superior talent waiting in the wings. Even if other schools do it (and less schools than you think stoop to this level), it's still not ethical.

(05-24-2019 04:54 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(05-24-2019 08:36 AM)mapdude Wrote:  CMN pulls kid's scholarship. Discuss...

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screw norvell
I hope karma gets him.

When you sign a scholarship you are told that they are for one year except for the higher recruited players. They will get a 4 year scholarship.To keep your one year scholarship you have to perform to earn it from year to year. The kid just graduated early and got a free education. So what is the problem.

This isn’t professional sports but scholarships are earned they’re not a given. With academic scholarships if you drop below a certain gpa they are revoked why would it be different for someone underperforming on a sports scholarship?

If he's a Business Major, then he's learned the harsh reality of free-market Capitalism.

If not, then he's learned a very valuable lesson what it means to add value and produce in a free market before he enters the post-graduate work force employment agreements. Private enterprise offers Disability insurance as an employment benefit for these reasons.

We're all subject to be replaced in Corporate America by a more qualified and less expensive candidate. It's a common problem with older workers being replaced by younger workers. This isn't professional sports, but the money involved in D1 NCAA sports is not amateur sports, either. It's a business, operating under the guise of amateur sports. So much so, the FBI found it worthwhile to spend Federal resources sticking their nose in this business.

(05-24-2019 08:36 AM)mapdude Wrote:  CMN pulls kid's scholarship. Discuss...

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Welcome to the big league.

I can see several sides of this argument....
However, in the end...football scholarships are to help a student get a education in college.
In return for him playing for the university.,..he gets a free education.
Hill has already graduated....so we've met our commitment to him in the matter.
I know he wants to get a MBA...but he could enter the transfer portal..and try to get it that way.
Just my $0.02 cents.

I keep wondering if people who are criticizing Norvell saw the part about a non starter that kept his scholarship until he graduated.

(05-24-2019 02:25 PM)tigerbmw Wrote:  

(05-24-2019 02:15 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-24-2019 01:40 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(05-24-2019 01:29 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  I disagree with the majority here. Strongly.

A scholarship is a commitment. On paper it's a year to year thing, but in reality you are telling a kid if he commits to you, you commit to him.

Barring a egregious lack of effort or discipline / grade issues, a scholarship should be honored. Period, full stop.

If a player decides to transfer for different opportunities, that's fine and part of the gig.

Pulling a player's scholarship in good standing is crap.

Academic scholarships get yanked all of the time from students who do not perform well enough academically. Why would athletic scholarships be any different for players not performing well enough athletically?

Totally different scenarios...

Your academic scholarship will not get pulled because there are "smarter" kids who need the scholarship. If you make the grades you keep your scholarship regardless of what everyone else is doing.

His athletic scholarship is being pulled so the coach can cover his a55 and continue to make millions by replacing kids that the coach didn't do a good job evaluating out of high school.

You realize Penny just pulled at least 3 scholarships because he's getting better players this year. Does your last sentence apply to him?

Yep. I also do not like the yank a scholarship mentality. If you think they are good enough for a scholarship, then live with your decision.

(05-24-2019 01:29 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  I disagree with the majority here. Strongly.

A scholarship is a commitment. On paper it's a year to year thing, but in reality you are telling a kid if he commits to you, you commit to him.

Barring a egregious lack of effort or discipline / grade issues, a scholarship should be honored. Period, full stop.

If a player decides to transfer for different opportunities, that's fine and part of the gig.

Pulling a player's scholarship in good standing is crap.

The young man graduated, with everything paid for. The university treated him very well. If he hadn’t graduated he would still be on scholarship. The fact he never made a catch as receiver may be part of it. But he got his finance degree paid for, and as a finance grad, he should understand assets , supply and demand, etc.etc. I for one don’t like him playing the victim here. It’s bad press for a very logical and rational decision made by our football staff.

I guess some people see things a little differently.

But my thought is the coach should live up to his end of the agreement just like the player should live up to their end.

If the player is doing everything asked of him and trying his best he should not be punished for the coach making a recruiting mistake.

(05-24-2019 08:26 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  I guess some people see things a little differently.

But my thought is the coach should live up to his end of the agreement just like the player should live up to their end.

If the player is doing everything asked of him and trying his best he should not be punished for the coach making a recruiting mistake.

He graduated! He’s not going to play in the nfl! Isn’t playing for the tigers. What’s not to understand. Lady’s and gentlemen, he Graduated!!!! He should be thanking the staff for paying for his education !