(05-23-2019 08:44 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(05-22-2019 09:12 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Schools like FSU, Boise and others made a name for themselves by going on the road with a “anyone anywhere” philosophy. Acting like you’re suddenly too good and too elite to do that and expect Ohio State to come play at your 40k stadium may have unintended consequences

My mom told me when I was looking for a job that I need to "hit the bricks and go knock on some doors" because that's the way she did it back in the day and it worked then. Unfortunately this is the modern era and I got laughed out of offices.

But i'm sure what worked for FSU in the 70s will work for UCF in almost 2020. As we all know, college football is exactly the same as back then.

Actually, thanks to the enormous boost in media outlets, it's a whale of a lot *easier* to build up the rep of a program now than it was 35+ years ago when FSU and Miami were doing it. E.g., in 1979 and 1980, FSU went to back to back Orange Bowls - at a time when there were only 4 major bowls and they were everything in college football - and yet after that they were still nobodies. They didn't become somebody until circa 1987.

I think White is making the opposite mistake - he thinks that because it is easier to raise your profile now, that he has basically completed that task and can start acting like an elite power program. He's mistaken, but IMO that's what he believes.

(05-23-2019 08:44 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(05-22-2019 09:12 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Schools like FSU, Boise and others made a name for themselves by going on the road with a “anyone anywhere” philosophy. Acting like you’re suddenly too good and too elite to do that and expect Ohio State to come play at your 40k stadium may have unintended consequences

My mom told me when I was looking for a job that I need to "hit the bricks and go knock on some doors" because that's the way she did it back in the day and it worked then. Unfortunately this is the modern era and I got laughed out of offices.

But i'm sure what worked for FSU in the 70s will work for UCF in almost 2020. As we all know, college football is exactly the same as back then.

So how's your strategy working out? USF is getting home games with Florida, Miami, and Alabama. UCF is getting home games with UNC, Louisville, and Georgia Tech.

(05-23-2019 12:53 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  

(05-23-2019 08:44 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(05-22-2019 09:12 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Schools like FSU, Boise and others made a name for themselves by going on the road with a “anyone anywhere” philosophy. Acting like you’re suddenly too good and too elite to do that and expect Ohio State to come play at your 40k stadium may have unintended consequences

My mom told me when I was looking for a job that I need to "hit the bricks and go knock on some doors" because that's the way she did it back in the day and it worked then. Unfortunately this is the modern era and I got laughed out of offices.

But i'm sure what worked for FSU in the 70s will work for UCF in almost 2020. As we all know, college football is exactly the same as back then.

If you have an impressive resume you wouldn’t get laughed out the door by everyone. That I can guarantee.

Here's a sign you don't really understand how the hiring process works in this day and age. Resume never came in to question. Everything was redirected to apply online, rather than in person. Some places won't even allow people in the front door unless you're already working there.

Once you are relegated to apply online, your resume is already pre-filtered for keywords and presented to hiring managers out of fields of hundreds.

I challenge you to go apply to a defense contractor like Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, or Boeing and see how far you get in to the front door.

Fortunately i'm doing great now, in a well paying job, but the process went so far beyond just putting in the miles and showing up. The landscape now is so much more different than it was in the 70s and beyond.

(05-23-2019 01:24 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-23-2019 08:44 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(05-22-2019 09:12 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Schools like FSU, Boise and others made a name for themselves by going on the road with a “anyone anywhere” philosophy. Acting like you’re suddenly too good and too elite to do that and expect Ohio State to come play at your 40k stadium may have unintended consequences

My mom told me when I was looking for a job that I need to "hit the bricks and go knock on some doors" because that's the way she did it back in the day and it worked then. Unfortunately this is the modern era and I got laughed out of offices.

But i'm sure what worked for FSU in the 70s will work for UCF in almost 2020. As we all know, college football is exactly the same as back then.

So how's your strategy working out? USF is getting home games with Florida, Miami, and Alabama. UCF is getting home games with UNC, Louisville, and Georgia Tech.

And Stanford, and Pitt, with former games against Texas, Mizzou, SCAR, and others.

The difference is UCF makes almost $3 million a game. USF does not make nearly that much, but can if they make money selling out the 65k RayJay with visiting fans, and taking paychecks from road games.

In short, UCF loses money from road games, USF gains money from road games. It's that simple.

(05-23-2019 01:03 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-23-2019 08:44 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(05-22-2019 09:12 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Schools like FSU, Boise and others made a name for themselves by going on the road with a “anyone anywhere” philosophy. Acting like you’re suddenly too good and too elite to do that and expect Ohio State to come play at your 40k stadium may have unintended consequences

My mom told me when I was looking for a job that I need to "hit the bricks and go knock on some doors" because that's the way she did it back in the day and it worked then. Unfortunately this is the modern era and I got laughed out of offices.

But i'm sure what worked for FSU in the 70s will work for UCF in almost 2020. As we all know, college football is exactly the same as back then.

Actually, thanks to the enormous boost in media outlets, it's a whale of a lot *easier* to build up the rep of a program now than it was 35+ years ago when FSU and Miami were doing it. E.g., in 1979 and 1980, FSU went to back to back Orange Bowls - at a time when there were only 4 major bowls and they were everything in college football - and yet after that they were still nobodies. They didn't become somebody until circa 1987.

I think White is making the opposite mistake - he thinks that because it is easier to raise your profile now, that he has basically completed that task and can start acting like an elite power program. He's mistaken, but IMO that's what he believes.

Danny White is only making a mistake if you think that the only goal is to get in to the CFP. You should be the first admit that the G5 are automatically excluded from the CFP, so what's the point of trying to build a schedule resume that might get you there at the expense of everything else?

All UCF has to do to achieve the goal of getting that NY6 bid is win the AAC and have a better schedule than the other conference's competitors. By asking for home and homes, we maximize revenue and with creativity still create a strong OOC. The revenue will help us keep coaches, improve facilities, prepare for stadium expansion so that we can increase season ticket base and poise us to be that next call up if the P5 expands.

(05-23-2019 02:54 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(05-23-2019 01:24 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-23-2019 08:44 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(05-22-2019 09:12 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Schools like FSU, Boise and others made a name for themselves by going on the road with a “anyone anywhere” philosophy. Acting like you’re suddenly too good and too elite to do that and expect Ohio State to come play at your 40k stadium may have unintended consequences

My mom told me when I was looking for a job that I need to "hit the bricks and go knock on some doors" because that's the way she did it back in the day and it worked then. Unfortunately this is the modern era and I got laughed out of offices.

But i'm sure what worked for FSU in the 70s will work for UCF in almost 2020. As we all know, college football is exactly the same as back then.

So how's your strategy working out? USF is getting home games with Florida, Miami, and Alabama. UCF is getting home games with UNC, Louisville, and Georgia Tech.

And Stanford, and Pitt, with former games against Texas, Mizzou, SCAR, and others.

The difference is UCF makes almost $3 million a game. USF does not make nearly that much, but can if they make money selling out the 65k RayJay with visiting fans, and taking paychecks from road games.

In short, UCF loses money from road games, USF gains money from road games. It's that simple.

They have to bring in a big name to sell out RayJay and to back up their season ticket sales by forcing anyone that wants to sit lower deck for the name game to pay for season tickets. When FSU played them, they were charging $95 for upper deck seats but would sell you a four game pack lower deck seats for $160.

(05-23-2019 02:54 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(05-23-2019 01:24 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-23-2019 08:44 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(05-22-2019 09:12 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Schools like FSU, Boise and others made a name for themselves by going on the road with a “anyone anywhere” philosophy. Acting like you’re suddenly too good and too elite to do that and expect Ohio State to come play at your 40k stadium may have unintended consequences

My mom told me when I was looking for a job that I need to "hit the bricks and go knock on some doors" because that's the way she did it back in the day and it worked then. Unfortunately this is the modern era and I got laughed out of offices.

But i'm sure what worked for FSU in the 70s will work for UCF in almost 2020. As we all know, college football is exactly the same as back then.

So how's your strategy working out? USF is getting home games with Florida, Miami, and Alabama. UCF is getting home games with UNC, Louisville, and Georgia Tech.

And Stanford, and Pitt, with former games against Texas, Mizzou, SCAR, and others.

The difference is UCF makes almost $3 million a game. USF does not make nearly that much, but can if they make money selling out the 65k RayJay with visiting fans, and taking paychecks from road games.

In short, UCF loses money from road games, USF gains money from road games. It's that simple.

Then tell your AD to quit whining like a little girl when premier P5 programs don't want to lose money from a home and home with a substandard opponent like UCF.

(05-23-2019 08:46 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(05-22-2019 10:31 PM)Mav Wrote:  

(05-22-2019 09:12 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Schools like FSU, Boise and others made a name for themselves by going on the road with a “anyone anywhere” philosophy. Acting like you’re suddenly too good and too elite to do that and expect Ohio State to come play at your 40k stadium may have unintended consequences

Yep. That's how you get those 1 for 1 games is to go to the big boy's turf and hit him in the mouth. Respect is earned, not given, and UCF's body of work isn't enough to merit a 1 for 1, given their somewhat spotty history pre-Scott Frost. These things take time and a lot of wins.

Not to mention, checking UCF's schedule, within the next 4 seasons, they get Stanford, North Carolina, Louisville, and Georgia Tech at home. They should probably just be quiet since their schedule's perfectly fine as it is. Those dates could easily turn to Bethune-Cookman and Alabama A&M if an AD gets annoyed and decides to rip up the scheduling agreement.

So in the first paragraph you say UCF hasn't earned the right to demand scheduling equality, but in the second it's apparent that we have gotten scheduling equality? What's your point?

And if a school want's to spend money to cancel a series because our AD is boisterous, well we're happy to take it.

As an aside, why don't you compare UCF's P5 road history versus Boise's since we've become D1. The results will surprise you.

My point is exactly that, you guys have some solid opponents lined up, so the unneeded bluster regarding how you and your conference mates schedule isn't making you look great. Neither is the "P6" stuff.

Oh, and I looked up UCF's road record against P5 schools. Apart from 2017 Maryland, a Penn St. team missing 20 scholarships, and NC State in 2007, I'm seeing a whole lot of Ls. Even the teams that are willing to travel to Orlando to play tend to walk out with a win. Boise hasn't had a lot of road record wins in that time period either, but they get a lot of neutral site games. It's easy to play that card to make UCF look good because you get to exclude Boise's wins against Georgia in Atlanta and Va Tech in DC on a technicality.

Boise's been a model of consistency so they'll get those neutral site games and that respect. UCF deserves respect but not what they seem to think they deserve. We haven't finished washing the taste of 0-12 out of our mouths and we're wondering when it'll pop up again.

(05-22-2019 07:47 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  The problem with this is the top P5 are already scheduled out way ahead of UCF.


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Not really. Most of the B1G and B12 have double-digit slots to fill, and most of the SEC schools have over 20 left.

(05-23-2019 08:38 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  It's true: If you are UCF or USF, you can schedule 1-1 with the lower-end P5, like Illinois or Georgia Tech.

Let me correct you. UCF and USF can schedule a 1-1 with GT as long as Mike Bobinski is the AD. That is no longer the case. You might try giving Purdue a call instead.

(05-23-2019 12:38 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(05-23-2019 09:44 AM)MAcFroggy Wrote:  "That's where Dave Brown comes in. The 60-year-old former ESPN programming executive has software on his laptop that contains every schedule -- and every opening -- for decades to come. .

This line killed me - so he knows how to look up games on FBschedules.com?

That software (developed by ESPN) is better and more efficient than just looking at a website. It cross-references every team's future schedules so that, eg, you can quickly find all teams that still need a 2024 non-con game and are looking for a home game (or away game) and have week 2 still open, etc. Lets guys like Brown find an answer for an AD in a minute or two instead of taking much longer to double check 20 different internet pages.

(05-23-2019 04:19 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  

(05-22-2019 07:47 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  The problem with this is the top P5 are already scheduled out way ahead of UCF.


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Not really. Most of the B1G and B12 have double-digit slots to fill, and most of the SEC schools have over 20 left.

The Big XII schools may have OOC slot to fill but the overwhelming majority of their away game OOC slots are already filled.

I cant help but think Bama signed the deal with USF as. Fu to UCF

(05-23-2019 05:03 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(05-23-2019 12:38 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(05-23-2019 09:44 AM)MAcFroggy Wrote:  "That's where Dave Brown comes in. The 60-year-old former ESPN programming executive has software on his laptop that contains every schedule -- and every opening -- for decades to come. .

This line killed me - so he knows how to look up games on FBschedules.com?

That software (developed by ESPN) is better and more efficient than just looking at a website. It cross-references every team's future schedules so that, eg, you can quickly find all teams that still need a 2024 non-con game and are looking for a home game (or away game) and have week 2 still open, etc. Lets guys like Brown find an answer for an AD in a minute or two instead of taking much longer to double check 20 different internet pages.

About a week ago I tried to find some open dates for a school looking to fill a 2020 schedule for FCS just to try it out. I can attest that I had multiple web pages open and multiple text files open trying to "work" things out. After an hour, I realized I'm glad I'm not putting together an independent schedule. Plus I wasn't certain if the transitioning school (Dixie State) could host FCS teams yet in 2020.