(05-21-2019 07:14 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(05-21-2019 06:55 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(05-21-2019 02:19 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  On #2,

i don't go back as far as many, but do go back a good way now.

and i don't think there is a debate.....Megan Great is the greatest athlete in JMU history.

taking into account the particular sport and it's level of national exposure, the level at which we are competing against with a high degree of success, and the way she has elevated a pretty good program to an elite program, nationally, not in a conference or subdivision, but against ALL others, is unique and has never been done at JMU that i can recall and that makes her the greatest IMO.

what other athlete at JMU has won the highest award of their individual sport in the country? the "heisman" of their sport? none, i don't believe. Good won multiple national POY awards in 2017.

And she's done it all with class, a smile, no regrets about going to "JMU" and not some name program when she could have easily transferred for her final year to some SEC program like many athletes do. She deserves whatever accolades are coming her way from JMU. and hopefully there are some.

this not to knock the other players on our teams the past 5 years, because we've had some darn good ones. and we will be really good again next year with the whole team returning because we have some damn good players up and down the roster right now. But every team needs that elite superstar to reach higher. And Megan was that for this team.

While Good is Great no doubt, I believe there very much could be a debate.

Softball is in the final 16. Field Hockey won the National Championship in 1994.

Carole Thate won the National Player of the Year Honda Award, and Field Hockey's College Sports Magazine Field Hockey Athlete of the Year, while leading JMU to its 1st ever national championship in any sport in 1994. 3 time All American, All World as soon as she set foot on campus. Ranked 1st in nation in total goals and in total points every season. I don't think any female JMU athlete has dominated her sport to the level Thate did. Went on to compete for the Dutch National Team, winning a Silver and Gold at 2 World Cups, and bronze medals in the 1996 Atlanta and 2000 Sydney Olympics.

Good's bio from 2017 lists 1 national player of the year award, the 'Shutt Sports/NFCA Division I National Player of the Year' and 'USA Softball Collegiate Player of the Year Top Three Finalist' Did she win softball's "Heisman", or was she a finalist?

The first part of the paragraph you referenced said taking into account the sport.

Look at the top 25 in field hockey and women’s lacrosse. Plenty of mid majors are there. Both sports have a fraction of the programs playing compared to softball.

All the p5 plays softball and puts significant resources into it. Television exposure is much higher in softball than the others.

Given the sport being played and the volume of money and programs involved, it is a much more significant achievement what the softball program and good in particular are doing.

Good is great, but she hasn’t been selected to play for a Team USA nor has she competed in an Olympics and won gold medals. Talk all you want about P5s, etc., but softball is an Olympic sport too, and Good hasn’t been selected to play for the national team, much less won an Olympic medal on the world stage. Thate has. Not saying one (Good vs. Thate) is better than the other, just that the rush to canonize Megan seems a bit over-the-top and premature. Let’s just agree to appreciate Megan while JMU fans can root for an amazing athlete still playing for the purple and gold.

(05-21-2019 07:14 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  Look at the top 25 in field hockey and women’s lacrosse. Plenty of mid majors are there. Both sports have a fraction of the programs playing compared to softball.

All the p5 plays softball and puts significant resources into it. Television exposure is much higher in softball than the others.

Given the sport being played and the volume of money and programs involved, it is a much more significant achievement what the softball program and good in particular are doing.

(05-21-2019 07:58 PM)jmuroadwarrior Wrote:  Just comparing softball (297), lacrosse (116), and field Hockey(78) in terms of the number of D1 schools, I would say that softball and Megan's impact outdistances those two sports. I would imagine that there weren't nearly that many field hockey schools in 1994.

(05-21-2019 10:31 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  Context Women’s softball is a lot more competitive than women’s field hockey. 78 D1 field hockey teams (May have been even fewer in 1994). Women’s softball almost has 300 D1 schools.

So you all are all saying making the final 16 in softball trumps winning a national championship in field hockey or lacrosse?

(05-22-2019 04:28 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(05-21-2019 07:14 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  Look at the top 25 in field hockey and women’s lacrosse. Plenty of mid majors are there. Both sports have a fraction of the programs playing compared to softball.

All the p5 plays softball and puts significant resources into it. Television exposure is much higher in softball than the others.

Given the sport being played and the volume of money and programs involved, it is a much more significant achievement what the softball program and good in particular are doing.

(05-21-2019 07:58 PM)jmuroadwarrior Wrote:  Just comparing softball (297), lacrosse (116), and field Hockey(78) in terms of the number of D1 schools, I would say that softball and Megan's impact outdistances those two sports. I would imagine that there weren't nearly that many field hockey schools in 1994.

(05-21-2019 10:31 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  Context Women’s softball is a lot more competitive than women’s field hockey. 78 D1 field hockey teams (May have been even fewer in 1994). Women’s softball almost has 300 D1 schools.

So you all are all saying making the final 16 in softball trumps winning a national championship in field hockey or lacrosse?

Not taking away from a national championship- awesome achievement - just stating the obvious that women’s softball along with women’s basketball are the two most competitive women’s sports and therefore making a run in either on a national level is a very difficult thing to do. If forced to compare I’d say that making a college World Series in softball would be equivalent to winning a national championship in a sport with 1/4 of the participants. Kind of like how a sweet 16 run in basketball (.org would it be more of a final four run) would probably be equivalent with winning an FCs football championship. Splitting hairs- all great achievements for Jmu student athletes and all create great excitement and generate a lot of positive attention for our school.

(05-21-2019 08:26 AM)Dukester Wrote:  1) I'm fine UVA Orthopedic on the court for $3,500,000
2) Megan Good is the most dominant player in JMU sports history for any current sport
3) Loren LaPorte has not missed a step taking over for Mickey Dean
4) Not crazy about the Flo deal.
5) It's too early to tell if Cig will be able to keep us as a top two or even five program in FCS.

I still root.

(05-21-2019 04:25 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(05-21-2019 12:38 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(05-21-2019 11:49 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  Also I feel like this season of GoT under-delivered

All the story lines that were built up over seven years all meant nothing in the end, most disappointing ending to series

Worse than Sopranos?

Didn't watch GoT, both kids did, they said much the same thing and were texting each other their complaints about it while watching. pretty funny

Looking back, I didn't mind how the Soprano's ended. You knew he would either end up in jail or dead so it kinda leaves it up to you to decide

(05-22-2019 06:36 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(05-21-2019 04:25 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(05-21-2019 12:38 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(05-21-2019 11:49 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  Also I feel like this season of GoT under-delivered

All the story lines that were built up over seven years all meant nothing in the end, most disappointing ending to series

Worse than Sopranos?

Didn't watch GoT, both kids did, they said much the same thing and were texting each other their complaints about it while watching. pretty funny

Looking back, I didn't mind how the Soprano's ended. You knew he would either end up in jail or dead so it kinda leaves it up to you to decide

I actually really liked the Sopranos ending. Seemed right for the show. That show was great because the viewer was constantly on edge about family wars and nothing would happen. The ending was pretty true to that I thought.

(05-22-2019 07:13 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(05-22-2019 06:36 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(05-21-2019 04:25 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(05-21-2019 12:38 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(05-21-2019 11:49 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  Also I feel like this season of GoT under-delivered

All the story lines that were built up over seven years all meant nothing in the end, most disappointing ending to series

Worse than Sopranos?

Didn't watch GoT, both kids did, they said much the same thing and were texting each other their complaints about it while watching. pretty funny

Looking back, I didn't mind how the Soprano's ended. You knew he would either end up in jail or dead so it kinda leaves it up to you to decide

I actually really liked the Sopranos ending. Seemed right for the show. That show was great because the viewer was constantly on edge about family wars and nothing would happen. The ending was pretty true to that I thought.

Hey look we agree on something...

Just had to realize your cable didnt cut out when it aired

(05-22-2019 02:53 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  Good is great, but she hasn’t been selected to play for a Team USA nor has she competed in an Olympics and won gold medals. Talk all you want about P5s, etc., but softball is an Olympic sport too, and Good hasn’t been selected to play for the national team, much less won an Olympic medal on the world stage. Thate has. Not saying one (Good vs. Thate) is better than the other, just that the rush to canonize Megan seems a bit over-the-top and premature. Let’s just agree to appreciate Megan while JMU fans can root for an amazing athlete still playing for the purple and gold.

Nailed it LH. Let's celebrate that we've been able to watch some amazing athletes who have been at or among the top of their sport while at JMU.

(05-22-2019 05:43 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(05-22-2019 04:28 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(05-21-2019 07:14 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  Look at the top 25 in field hockey and women’s lacrosse. Plenty of mid majors are there. Both sports have a fraction of the programs playing compared to softball.

All the p5 plays softball and puts significant resources into it. Television exposure is much higher in softball than the others.

Given the sport being played and the volume of money and programs involved, it is a much more significant achievement what the softball program and good in particular are doing.

(05-21-2019 07:58 PM)jmuroadwarrior Wrote:  Just comparing softball (297), lacrosse (116), and field Hockey(78) in terms of the number of D1 schools, I would say that softball and Megan's impact outdistances those two sports. I would imagine that there weren't nearly that many field hockey schools in 1994.

(05-21-2019 10:31 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  Context Women’s softball is a lot more competitive than women’s field hockey. 78 D1 field hockey teams (May have been even fewer in 1994). Women’s softball almost has 300 D1 schools.

So you all are all saying making the final 16 in softball trumps winning a national championship in field hockey or lacrosse?

Not taking away from a national championship- awesome achievement - just stating the obvious that women’s softball along with women’s basketball are the two most competitive women’s sports and therefore making a run in either on a national level is a very difficult thing to do. If forced to compare I’d say that making a college World Series in softball would be equivalent to winning a national championship in a sport with 1/4 of the participants. Kind of like how a sweet 16 run in basketball (.org would it be more of a final four run) would probably be equivalent with winning an FCs football championship. Splitting hairs- all great achievements for Jmu student athletes and all create great excitement and generate a lot of positive attention for our school.

I'd only push back that the teams and schools you see in FH and WLax are the programs that are well ahead of the curve and have been playing at a high level for years, if not decades. They are established programs (as we clearly are now, but on a smaller stage) and the JMU teams still took care of bidness. I'd say punching above their weight class for when it is/was.

That and I dated a cute girl from that '94 team, so I might be a tad biased...

(05-21-2019 08:26 AM)Dukester Wrote:  1) I'm fine UVA Orthopedic on the court for $3,500,000

"fine" is a good way of putting it. it's not preferable, but that is a whole lotta cash. i'll take it. gladly.

(05-21-2019 08:26 AM)Dukester Wrote:  2) Megan Good is the most dominant player in JMU sports history for any current sport

i honestly can't think of anyone more dominant. of course, i really only follow football and a few other sports occasionally (women's bball, volleyball a little, ready to jump on the men's bball bandwagon as soon as we become respectable). so i'm not the best authority, but Megan is a great choice here. not only is she a great athlete, she has the killer instinct that i just love. she's a competitor. she's not afraid.

(05-21-2019 08:26 AM)Dukester Wrote:  3) Loren LaPorte has not missed a step taking over for Mickey Dean

hasn't missed a step for sure, although the real test will be what happens after Good leaves.

(05-21-2019 08:26 AM)Dukester Wrote:  4) Not crazy about the Flo deal.

i've barely paid attention, honestly. i watch football games live, am used to paying for football away game streams, and don't care enough about other sports to pay much of anything for them. so if i'm going to be charged $12/month? um, hell no. zero chance of that.

(05-21-2019 08:26 AM)Dukester Wrote:  5) It's too early to tell if Cig will be able to keep us as a top two or even five program in FCS.

sure, it's too early to tell much of anything, but i don't think we will have a drop-off at all. everything is riding on the QB position. i'm convinced DiNucci will start, given their long-standing personal relationship with each other. i think that battle is over, fair or not. so if he can devise a plan AROUND DiNucci, and not force a system onto the QB, we could be really good. if not, we're going to see 5 interception games again and a QB carousel. we go as DiNucci goes because (fair or not) he's going to win the job. BDK can feel free to add this to his "gotcha!" list of posts if he wants, i don't care.

(05-23-2019 03:50 PM)Jay M. Youix Wrote:  

(05-21-2019 08:26 AM)Dukester Wrote:  1) I'm fine UVA Orthopedic on the court for $3,500,000

"fine" is a good way of putting it. it's not preferable, but that is a whole lotta cash. i'll take it. gladly.

(05-21-2019 08:26 AM)Dukester Wrote:  2) Megan Good is the most dominant player in JMU sports history for any current sport

i honestly can't think of anyone more dominant. of course, i really only follow football and a few other sports occasionally (women's bball, volleyball a little, ready to jump on the men's bball bandwagon as soon as we become respectable). so i'm not the best authority, but Megan is a great choice here. not only is she a great athlete, she has the killer instinct that i just love. she's a competitor. she's not afraid.

(05-21-2019 08:26 AM)Dukester Wrote:  3) Loren LaPorte has not missed a step taking over for Mickey Dean

hasn't missed a step for sure, although the real test will be what happens after Good leaves.

(05-21-2019 08:26 AM)Dukester Wrote:  4) Not crazy about the Flo deal.

i've barely paid attention, honestly. i watch football games live, am used to paying for football away game streams, and don't care enough about other sports to pay much of anything for them. so if i'm going to be charged $12/month? um, hell no. zero chance of that.

(05-21-2019 08:26 AM)Dukester Wrote:  5) It's too early to tell if Cig will be able to keep us as a top two or even five program in FCS.

sure, it's too early to tell much of anything, but i don't think we will have a drop-off at all. everything is riding on the QB position. i'm convinced DiNucci will start, given their long-standing personal relationship with each other. i think that battle is over, fair or not. so if he can devise a plan AROUND DiNucci, and not force a system onto the QB, we could be really good. if not, we're going to see 5 interception games again and a QB carousel. we go as DiNucci goes because (fair or not) he's going to win the job. BDK can feel free to add this to his "gotcha!" list of posts if he wants, i don't care.

WTF are you talking about

For the record I would agree about Dinucci being the starter (absent an injury) & being successful. We certainly won’t see 5 INT gameS. I bet we won’t see a single 5 INT game.

(05-23-2019 10:54 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(05-23-2019 03:50 PM)Jay M. Youix Wrote:  

(05-21-2019 08:26 AM)Dukester Wrote:  1) I'm fine UVA Orthopedic on the court for $3,500,000

"fine" is a good way of putting it. it's not preferable, but that is a whole lotta cash. i'll take it. gladly.

(05-21-2019 08:26 AM)Dukester Wrote:  2) Megan Good is the most dominant player in JMU sports history for any current sport

i honestly can't think of anyone more dominant. of course, i really only follow football and a few other sports occasionally (women's bball, volleyball a little, ready to jump on the men's bball bandwagon as soon as we become respectable). so i'm not the best authority, but Megan is a great choice here. not only is she a great athlete, she has the killer instinct that i just love. she's a competitor. she's not afraid.

(05-21-2019 08:26 AM)Dukester Wrote:  3) Loren LaPorte has not missed a step taking over for Mickey Dean

hasn't missed a step for sure, although the real test will be what happens after Good leaves.

(05-21-2019 08:26 AM)Dukester Wrote:  4) Not crazy about the Flo deal.

i've barely paid attention, honestly. i watch football games live, am used to paying for football away game streams, and don't care enough about other sports to pay much of anything for them. so if i'm going to be charged $12/month? um, hell no. zero chance of that.

(05-21-2019 08:26 AM)Dukester Wrote:  5) It's too early to tell if Cig will be able to keep us as a top two or even five program in FCS.

sure, it's too early to tell much of anything, but i don't think we will have a drop-off at all. everything is riding on the QB position. i'm convinced DiNucci will start, given their long-standing personal relationship with each other. i think that battle is over, fair or not. so if he can devise a plan AROUND DiNucci, and not force a system onto the QB, we could be really good. if not, we're going to see 5 interception games again and a QB carousel. we go as DiNucci goes because (fair or not) he's going to win the job. BDK can feel free to add this to his "gotcha!" list of posts if he wants, i don't care.

WTF are you talking about

For the record I would agree about Dinucci being the starter (absent an injury) & being successful. We certainly won’t see 5 INT gameS. I bet we won’t see a single 5 INT game.

That's a thick limb.

(05-24-2019 07:49 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(05-23-2019 10:54 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(05-23-2019 03:50 PM)Jay M. Youix Wrote:  

(05-21-2019 08:26 AM)Dukester Wrote:  1) I'm fine UVA Orthopedic on the court for $3,500,000

"fine" is a good way of putting it. it's not preferable, but that is a whole lotta cash. i'll take it. gladly.

(05-21-2019 08:26 AM)Dukester Wrote:  2) Megan Good is the most dominant player in JMU sports history for any current sport

i honestly can't think of anyone more dominant. of course, i really only follow football and a few other sports occasionally (women's bball, volleyball a little, ready to jump on the men's bball bandwagon as soon as we become respectable). so i'm not the best authority, but Megan is a great choice here. not only is she a great athlete, she has the killer instinct that i just love. she's a competitor. she's not afraid.

(05-21-2019 08:26 AM)Dukester Wrote:  3) Loren LaPorte has not missed a step taking over for Mickey Dean

hasn't missed a step for sure, although the real test will be what happens after Good leaves.

(05-21-2019 08:26 AM)Dukester Wrote:  4) Not crazy about the Flo deal.

i've barely paid attention, honestly. i watch football games live, am used to paying for football away game streams, and don't care enough about other sports to pay much of anything for them. so if i'm going to be charged $12/month? um, hell no. zero chance of that.

(05-21-2019 08:26 AM)Dukester Wrote:  5) It's too early to tell if Cig will be able to keep us as a top two or even five program in FCS.

sure, it's too early to tell much of anything, but i don't think we will have a drop-off at all. everything is riding on the QB position. i'm convinced DiNucci will start, given their long-standing personal relationship with each other. i think that battle is over, fair or not. so if he can devise a plan AROUND DiNucci, and not force a system onto the QB, we could be really good. if not, we're going to see 5 interception games again and a QB carousel. we go as DiNucci goes because (fair or not) he's going to win the job. BDK can feel free to add this to his "gotcha!" list of posts if he wants, i don't care.

WTF are you talking about

For the record I would agree about Dinucci being the starter (absent an injury) & being successful. We certainly won’t see 5 INT gameS. I bet we won’t see a single 5 INT game.

That's a thick limb.

He did say the possibility of 5 INT gameS (plural).

Dukester Wrote:
3) Loren LaPorte has not missed a step taking over for Mickey Dean

hasn't missed a step for sure, although the real test will be what happens after Good leaves.

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Actually we saw what she did last year without Megan which was very similar to how Mickey Dean did without Megan. Essentially 40 some wins without her and 50 some wins with her. I do think that the overall team this year is quite a bit better than last years with improved fielding and even better hitting. The emergence of Jubas and Newman and File's return from injury. And I think that Figueroa will become a star.

(05-24-2019 11:09 AM)jmuroadwarrior Wrote:  Dukester Wrote:
3) Loren LaPorte has not missed a step taking over for Mickey Dean

hasn't missed a step for sure, although the real test will be what happens after Good leaves.

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Actually we saw what she did last year without Megan which was very similar to how Mickey Dean did without Megan. Essentially 40 some wins without her and 50 some wins with her. I do think that the overall team this year is quite a bit better than last years with improved fielding and even better hitting. The emergence of Jubas and Newman and File's return from injury. And I think that Figueroa will become a star.

is Figueroa the #3 pitcher this year? that would be amazing if there is someone else is already in the wings (which i would assume would be the case). you have to think those pitchers have learned a thing or two from the GOAT.