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(05-21-2019 07:51 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The conservative rewrite of this story goes something like this:

2004-2005: the ACC adds BC, Syracuse, and Miami

The Big East still raids C-USA but with just UConn and Pitt being the only pre-1991 football schools it's much more likely that the league splits. Miami and Syracuse slump in the ACC--VT, WVU, L'ville, all surge.

2012: TAMU joins the SEC. The SEC looks to hotshot VT as #14. The Big 12 replaces them with TCU.

2013: A vulnerable ACC takes Pitt and WVU from the ACC

2014: The Big Ten raids for Maryland and Rutgers, the ACC adds Louisville. UConn, Cincy, and USF are still left to rebuild the league.

You have to wonder if an ACC without VT feels more vulnerable and at risk. Perhaps FSU is lured to the SEC as #14. At which point, total chaos ensues.

As soon as TAMU starts moving, Mizzou starts moving which has a ripple effect.

The ACC is not adding UConn unless it wants to lose Clemson, FSU, and GT.
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(05-21-2019 06:22 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  No, they don't. No matter how you try and spin it VT does not deliver the DC market. You don't get the carriage fees for DC when you are closer to Tennessee than DC. Thats not how it works at all.
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You're clearly confused. The "DC market" is the greater DC metro area, 6.2M (not including northern MD/Baltimore). The largest portion of the DC metro area is northern VA, roughly 3.3M. So if carriage fees are your definition of carrying a market, VT (and/or UVA) carry more than half of the nation's 6th largest market. The District itself is only 630k, roughly half of the Raleigh/Durham market. No one really cares about DC itself.
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(05-21-2019 08:34 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-21-2019 06:55 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Sometimes it works out best when things DON'T go according to plan (e.g. Louisville replacing Maryland also).

Thoughts?

Louisville replacing Maryland was a huge downgrade for the ACC. Massive. Every conference in the country would rather have Maryland than Louisville.

if I send you some young hookers, some blow, and a bunch of basketball apparel will you change your opinion?
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(05-21-2019 08:58 PM)Statefan Wrote:  
(05-21-2019 07:51 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The conservative rewrite of this story goes something like this:

2004-2005: the ACC adds BC, Syracuse, and Miami

The Big East still raids C-USA but with just UConn and Pitt being the only pre-1991 football schools it's much more likely that the league splits. Miami and Syracuse slump in the ACC--VT, WVU, L'ville, all surge.

2012: TAMU joins the SEC. The SEC looks to hotshot VT as #14. The Big 12 replaces them with TCU.

2013: A vulnerable ACC takes Pitt and WVU from the ACC

2014: The Big Ten raids for Maryland and Rutgers, the ACC adds Louisville. UConn, Cincy, and USF are still left to rebuild the league.

You have to wonder if an ACC without VT feels more vulnerable and at risk. Perhaps FSU is lured to the SEC as #14. At which point, total chaos ensues.

As soon as TAMU starts moving, Mizzou starts moving which has a ripple effect.

The ACC is not adding UConn unless it wants to lose Clemson, FSU, and GT.

Mizzou can only move if there's somewhere to go. If I'm the SEC, I take VT over Mizzou.
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(05-21-2019 08:38 PM)Statefan Wrote:  
(05-21-2019 06:22 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(05-21-2019 05:42 PM)Statefan Wrote:  
(05-21-2019 04:00 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(05-21-2019 03:14 PM)Statefan Wrote:  The original premise is difficult to imagine because Duke, UNC, and NC State did not support the three schools at the same time. All three had a reason not to go for Syracuse, and all three had a reason to support VT. Swofford got rolled because he didn't check with the ptb in Chapel Hill. The ptb wanted VT for a myriad of reasons and Syracuse and BC be damned.

If VT was left at the alter again in 2003, then I think they end up in the Big 10. With the B10's TV strategy, VT carries the state of Virginia, plus DC for B10 purposes. VT in 2010 and 2012 could have been shoehorned into the AAU after Syracuse and Nebraska were forced out if the B10 as a block supported VT, if Delany and Mary Sue Coleman wanted that fig leaf. That's a move that hurts the ACC AND SEC.

No they wouldn't have and they aren't anywhere close to the DC market. They are on the complete other side of the state.

https://www.thevab.com/wp-content/upload...MA-Map.pdf

Take some time to look at the above DMA map. This was the B10's Bible back in the day.

VT delivers the State of VA, plus the DC/Hagerstown DMA, the NC Piedmont Triad, The TN/Va Tri-Cities, and Bluefield WVa. Delivers means the first, second, or third property in the particular market niche. UNC and NC State will be first in the Triad, VT will run third. UT will run first in the Tri-Cities, but VT second. WVa will run in Bluefield, but VT will run second. MD might run first in DC/Hagerstown, but VT will run second. That's roughly 12-13 million eyeballs - just what the B10 was seeking, and an addition that would please PSU.

Remember the B10 profile is a research intensive, graduate oriented university. VT is much more like that than UVa. VT is a smaller version of a B10 school. UVa is a larger version of an Ivy League school.

No, they don't. No matter how you try and spin it VT does not deliver the DC market. You don't get the carriage fees for DC when you are closer to Tennessee than DC. Thats not how it works at all.

The B1G wasn't ever looking at VT. Never ever were they one of the conferences options. Thats why after maryland they wanted UVA, UNC, Duke and GT. No mention anywhere ever of VT to the B1G. It's only grounded in the reality that David resides in.

I'm sorry you can't read a map.

I also regret that you have not traveled all over the United States so that you could find out that DMA's are how TV is/was delivered in America, not State lines. The DC DMA includes 7 counties in West Va, 9 counties and the District in MD, and 17 counties in Va.

You also seem to miss the point of the thread, which is what happens if VT had not been picked up in 2003 by the ACC. UVa and UNC to the Big 10 was a pipe dream. An unattached VT would have been a viable possibility instead of a illusory mirage. All Rutgers brings to the B10 is a televsion market for the B10, VT would have brought a television market and a football team.

Look at that map again and tell me if Blacksburg is in the blue section which represents DC DMA or the white section which looks like represents the Roanoke/Lynchburg market. I'm pretty sure I know how to read a map

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Pulling things out of your ass demanding everyone accept them as fact and then insult others who point out where you just pulled your BS from is some good CSNBBS.

Oh and i'll bet dollar to doughnuts i've lived in and seen more of this fine country than you have.
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RE: What if ACC expansion had gone according to plan?
(05-21-2019 10:04 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(05-21-2019 08:38 PM)Statefan Wrote:  
(05-21-2019 06:22 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(05-21-2019 05:42 PM)Statefan Wrote:  
(05-21-2019 04:00 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  No they wouldn't have and they aren't anywhere close to the DC market. They are on the complete other side of the state.

https://www.thevab.com/wp-content/upload...MA-Map.pdf

Take some time to look at the above DMA map. This was the B10's Bible back in the day.

VT delivers the State of VA, plus the DC/Hagerstown DMA, the NC Piedmont Triad, The TN/Va Tri-Cities, and Bluefield WVa. Delivers means the first, second, or third property in the particular market niche. UNC and NC State will be first in the Triad, VT will run third. UT will run first in the Tri-Cities, but VT second. WVa will run in Bluefield, but VT will run second. MD might run first in DC/Hagerstown, but VT will run second. That's roughly 12-13 million eyeballs - just what the B10 was seeking, and an addition that would please PSU.

Remember the B10 profile is a research intensive, graduate oriented university. VT is much more like that than UVa. VT is a smaller version of a B10 school. UVa is a larger version of an Ivy League school.

No, they don't. No matter how you try and spin it VT does not deliver the DC market. You don't get the carriage fees for DC when you are closer to Tennessee than DC. Thats not how it works at all.

The B1G wasn't ever looking at VT. Never ever were they one of the conferences options. Thats why after maryland they wanted UVA, UNC, Duke and GT. No mention anywhere ever of VT to the B1G. It's only grounded in the reality that David resides in.

I'm sorry you can't read a map.

I also regret that you have not traveled all over the United States so that you could find out that DMA's are how TV is/was delivered in America, not State lines. The DC DMA includes 7 counties in West Va, 9 counties and the District in MD, and 17 counties in Va.

You also seem to miss the point of the thread, which is what happens if VT had not been picked up in 2003 by the ACC. UVa and UNC to the Big 10 was a pipe dream. An unattached VT would have been a viable possibility instead of a illusory mirage. All Rutgers brings to the B10 is a televsion market for the B10, VT would have brought a television market and a football team.

Look at that map again and tell me if Blacksburg is in the blue section which represents DC DMA or the white section which looks like represents the Roanoke/Lynchburg market. I'm pretty sure I know how to read a map

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Pulling things out of your ass demanding everyone accept them as fact and then insult others who point out where you just pulled your BS from is some good CSNBBS.

Oh and i'll bet dollar to doughnuts i've lived in and seen more of this fine country than you have.

It's not about where Blacksburg is located in Virginia. That's like claiming that Ohio State is somehow confined to the Columbus DMA or that Texas only carries the Austin DMA or that UNC and NC State don't carry Charlotte's DMA.

The DMA's broadcast programming into a their markets so that someone will purchase ad time. What is broadcast has to be watched in the market. There is not a magic line on the ground where the state line occurs that stops TV signals in their tracks. You fundamentally misunderstand how DMA's work.
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As you will notice, there are a number of DMA's serving Virginia. All of those DMA's serve VT sports programming to their Virginia audiences even if the dead center of the DMA is located in DC, Bristol TN, etc. I was wrong to insult your map reading ability. It's obviously a cognitive problem instead.

If you are going to send me the box of donuts you owe me I will take Krispy Kreme with chocolate glazing, not dry NJ donuts made of dust and other undesirable things from NJ.

Unless you have DRIVEN, not just flown into all 50 States, plus the Yukon, BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Ontario, Manitoba, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Quebec, PEI, as well as Puerto Rico, you are not as well traveled in the United States. I've also been to Africa, Asia, and Europe and lived to tell about it. The bucket list only contains Australia, South America, and Antarctica.

But do you really want a pissing match?
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(05-21-2019 03:14 PM)Statefan Wrote:  The original premise is difficult to imagine because Duke, UNC, and NC State did not support the three schools at the same time. All three had a reason not to go for Syracuse, and all three had a reason to support VT. Swofford got rolled because he didn't check with the ptb in Chapel Hill. The ptb wanted VT for a myriad of reasons and Syracuse and BC be damned.

If VT was left at the alter again in 2003, then I think they end up in the Big 10. With the B10's TV strategy, VT carries the state of Virginia, plus DC for B10 purposes. VT in 2010 and 2012 could have been shoehorned into the AAU after Syracuse and Nebraska were forced out if the B10 as a block supported VT, if Delany and Mary Sue Coleman wanted that fig leaf. That's a move that hurts the ACC AND SEC.

I think that VT ending up in the B1G is accurate.
I'm not sure however that the B1G could have moved VT ahead of Georgia Tech in 2010 or Boston University in 2012 for AAU membership but they could have promised the Hokies that they would be next in line.
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(05-21-2019 07:20 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(05-21-2019 05:48 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(05-21-2019 10:08 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(05-21-2019 08:34 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-21-2019 06:55 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Sometimes it works out best when things DON'T go according to plan (e.g. Louisville replacing Maryland also).

Thoughts?

Louisville replacing Maryland was a huge downgrade for the ACC. Massive. Every conference in the country would rather have Maryland than Louisville.

Wow.

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Consider the source. His MO since stumbling onto the board has been to post some outlandish take, sit back and wait for responses. Once you realize that, you ignore him.

Quo is among the most reasonable posters here, even if I don't always agree with him. He can certainly put AAC fanboys in their place.

You know what they say about opinions...
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RE: What if ACC expansion had gone according to plan?
When the idea of Syracuse, Boston College, and Miami was first floated as an expansion possibility, there was a competing school of thought that suggested Virginia Tech, West Virginia and Pittsburgh. These ideas were talked about on several, then independent message boards ad infinitum.
Eventually the "Notre Dame" bait that Swofford's consultants recommended won out. But a school, or group of schools was able to engineer the Hokies entry and Syracuse's ouster when the Irish refused to commit (it also cost Marye Anne Fox her job as NC State Chancellor when it was learned that she was Notre Dame's mole in the process).

Imagine if the "other" side had won out in 2003.
Not only would the ACC include West Virginia, Virginia Tech and Pitt (12) but could/would have picked up South Carolina and Miami for 14.
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(05-22-2019 05:19 AM)XLance Wrote:  When the idea of Syracuse, Boston College, and Miami was first floated as an expansion possibility, there was a competing school of thought that suggested Virginia Tech, West Virginia and Pittsburgh. These ideas were talked about on several, then independent message boards ad infinitum.
Eventually the "Notre Dame" bait that Swofford's consultants recommended won out. But a school, or group of schools was able to engineer the Hokies entry and Syracuse's ouster when the Irish refused to commit (it also cost Marye Anne Fox her job as NC State Chancellor when it was learned that she was Notre Dame's mole in the process).

Imagine if the "other" side had won out in 2003.
Not only would the ACC include West Virginia, Virginia Tech and Pitt (12) but could/would have picked up South Carolina and Miami for 14.

South Carolina is not leaving and would not have left the SEC for the ACC.
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(05-21-2019 02:42 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(05-21-2019 12:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-21-2019 11:15 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
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(05-21-2019 08:34 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Louisville replacing Maryland was a huge downgrade for the ACC. Massive. Every conference in the country would rather have Maryland than Louisville.

If you polled the 14 ACC Presidents, Maryland would win that vote 14-0 IMO. Presidents care more about location and academics than athletics.

I wouldn't be so sure of that.

Throughout their history Maryland was an obstructionist element that cost the ACC multiple chances to better itself as a conference in the decades leading up to the last realignment.

Like .... ?

Fought tooth and nail to prevent FSU being issued an invitation, only agreeing when it was a done deal.

There is strong belief that Maryland leaked confidential ACC information to the Big Slow prior to officially being issued an invitation.

They were opposed to the ACC football championship game being played in Charlotte.

1) FSU had zero cultural affiliation with the ACC and still has none. They are a football mercenary hire and have been for 28 years. If you care about the culture of a conference and not money, opposing FSU was a very defensible move.

2) That's hearsay and of course Maryland engaged in behind the scenes machinations with B1G before joining, every body leaving one conference for another does that. Doesn't count because it was part of their process of *leaving*, meaning they weren't ACC 'conference mates' at that point.

3) Very defensible. The ACC has always been too politically NC-centric, and so Maryland, being pretty far from NC, has always been sensitive about all the big events being in NC and wanting to move them around. No more "anti-ACC" than say Florida or LSU not wanting the SEC basketball tournament to be in Lexington each year would be "anti-SEC" if it was.

Maryland was an ACC founder and always a good partner. They did a lot of good, particularly in fighting the tendency for the conference to be too NC-centric. Totally committed to the ACC, until they decided to leave.
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(05-21-2019 06:22 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  No, they don't. No matter how you try and spin it VT does not deliver the DC market. You don't get the carriage fees for DC when you are closer to Tennessee than DC. Thats not how it works at all.

FWIW, speaking as someone who lived in the DC area for 20 years and still regularly visits family there, both VT and WVU have a decent presence in the DC area. Especially if you are on the Northern Virginia side, you see a lot of folks walking around wearing VT or WVU jackets and stickers on their cars. Much more than say UVA, which has a much more elite profile. There's no doubt but that many VT and WVU graduates move to the DC area for work.

That said, neither VT (nor WVU, had they been invited to the ACC) can make up for the loss of Maryland. Maryland has *oceans* of fans and alumni in the DC area, they made the DC area a thoroughly ACC environment for decades.
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The premise of the OP was what would have happened if Va Tech hadn't been included in the ACC's 2003 expansion. Would they have been a target for the SEC?

Well, what if it had been the SEC that struck first and took Va Tech off the table, pairing them with Texas A&M? Might the SEC have then gone after NC State as well, to be paired with another B12 school for geographic balance and reach?

Would a wounded ACC have been as attractive to the other Big East schools then?
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(05-22-2019 08:38 AM)ken d Wrote:  The premise of the OP was what would have happened if Va Tech hadn't been included in the ACC's 2003 expansion. Would they have been a target for the SEC?

Well, what if it had been the SEC that struck first and took Va Tech off the table, pairing them with Texas A&M? Might the SEC have then gone after NC State as well, to be paired with another B12 school for geographic balance and reach?

Would a wounded ACC have been as attractive to the other Big East schools then?

Unlike most Louisville fans I was never that excited about joining The ACC in any configuration. The present CFP format dictated that schools found a way into a P5 conference so UofL did.

If The CFP would have included every conference, as it should, I would have preferred that Louisville stayed in The Big East. When Pitt and Syracuse left, we had to find a way out.

In my humble opinion, The Big East fit Louisville better with its urban universities.

Again I am appreciative of the life raft that The ACC threw us from the sinking Big East. I just don’t believe it would have been necessary if all things were equal.
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(05-22-2019 08:29 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  1) FSU had zero cultural affiliation with the ACC and still has none. They are a football mercenary hire and have been for 28 years. If you care about the culture of a conference and not money, opposing FSU was a very defensible move.

Meh, FSU is a top 100 university and second highest rated public university in the state. They are much more similar to ACC schools now than 30 years ago.

Quote:3) Very defensible. The ACC has always been too politically NC-centric, and so Maryland, being pretty far from NC, has always been sensitive about all the big events being in NC and wanting to move them around. No more "anti-ACC" than say Florida or LSU not wanting the SEC basketball tournament to be in Lexington each year would be "anti-SEC" if it was.

The ACC has ALWAYS moved the tournament around. Greensboro is not Chapel Hill/Durham. Believe it or not, the NC schools have alumni all up and down the east coast and beyond.

Quote:Maryland was an ACC founder and always a good partner. They did a lot of good, particularly in fighting the tendency for the conference to be too NC-centric. Totally committed to the ACC, until they decided to leave.

I like and miss Maryland. They should have been in the Coastal instead of Virginia Tech from the beginning. Unfortunately, their decision was not made by alumni or fans, it was made by people who disregarded years of history to join an elite collection of large state schools and play against midwestern teams and Penn State.
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(05-22-2019 08:29 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  1) FSU had zero cultural affiliation with the ACC and still has none. They are a football mercenary hire and have been for 28 years. If you care about the culture of a conference and not money, opposing FSU was a very defensible move.

FSU finds kindred spirits in Clemson, Virginia Tech and Louisville -2 of which are annually on the football schedule. At least, the gameday atmospheres are somewhat similar. To some extent I think NC State is also a bit like FSU - a place where football is the #1 sport, but they are interested in many sports. Also, their #2 rival, Miami, is now in the ACC.

The "former girls school" aspect even finds some common ground with UNC, I think.

So I wouldn't call FSU a cultural outlier in the ACC by any means. Would the SEC be a better fit? Maybe, but that doesn't mean the ACC is necessarily a bad fit.
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(05-22-2019 09:21 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(05-22-2019 08:38 AM)ken d Wrote:  The premise of the OP was what would have happened if Va Tech hadn't been included in the ACC's 2003 expansion. Would they have been a target for the SEC?

Well, what if it had been the SEC that struck first and took Va Tech off the table, pairing them with Texas A&M? Might the SEC have then gone after NC State as well, to be paired with another B12 school for geographic balance and reach?

Would a wounded ACC have been as attractive to the other Big East schools then?

Unlike most Louisville fans I was never that excited about joining The ACC in any configuration. The present CFP format dictated that schools found a way into a P5 conference so UofL did.

If The CFP would have included every conference, as it should, I would have preferred that Louisville stayed in The Big East. When Pitt and Syracuse left, we had to find a way out.

In my humble opinion, The Big East fit Louisville better with its urban universities.

Again I am appreciative of the life raft that The ACC threw us from the sinking Big East. I just don’t believe it would have been necessary if all things were equal.
Great post, CardinalJim!

I'm sure there are plenty of things we all miss prior to all the realignment. For me, the old Big East is something I truly miss. It was once a fine conference with a ton of talent in both football and basketball. It's funny how it's even hard for me to remember that all those great Miami teams were Big East. Those Miami teams we loved to hate!

College football has become better over time in some ways, but, also just brutal to some rivalries.
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(05-22-2019 09:21 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(05-22-2019 08:38 AM)ken d Wrote:  The premise of the OP was what would have happened if Va Tech hadn't been included in the ACC's 2003 expansion. Would they have been a target for the SEC?

Well, what if it had been the SEC that struck first and took Va Tech off the table, pairing them with Texas A&M? Might the SEC have then gone after NC State as well, to be paired with another B12 school for geographic balance and reach?

Would a wounded ACC have been as attractive to the other Big East schools then?

Unlike most Louisville fans I was never that excited about joining The ACC in any configuration. The present CFP format dictated that schools found a way into a P5 conference so UofL did.

If The CFP would have included every conference, as it should, I would have preferred that Louisville stayed in The Big East. When Pitt and Syracuse left, we had to find a way out.

In my humble opinion, The Big East fit Louisville better with its urban universities.

Again I am appreciative of the life raft that The ACC threw us from the sinking Big East. I just don’t believe it would have been necessary if all things were equal.

This makes sense to me. UofL had a lot more connections with the Big East schools than with ACC schools. There was just a lot more "fit" there, culturally and geographically.

As you say, bottom line is that UofL had to accept an offer from any P5 conference. But the best scenario would have been if the Big East had not been raided and had managed to have maintained its status as a Power/AQ conference in to the CFP era.
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RE: What if ACC expansion had gone according to plan?
The 1990 ACC expansion should've included Miami. That would've given the ACC a pretty solid 10 school conference along the southeast coast from Maryland to Florida and most likely would've preempted further expansion in 2003.
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