RE: UConn is the new Rutgers in terms of fiscal deficits (and other rants)
(05-17-2019 08:13 AM)esayem Wrote:
(05-17-2019 05:20 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:
(05-16-2019 11:39 PM)Wedge Wrote:
(05-16-2019 10:18 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote: Those who get paid to make these decisions and do this research all knew how much $ Rutgers was bringing to the table in cable subscribers. Thats why Delany and the B1G presidents pulled the trigger.
The maps don't matter. What you said in the quote above -- the cable box grab -- is why the Big Ten added Rutgers. The Big Ten had contracts with cable providers that gave them $ for every cable subscriber in any entire state that has at least one Big Ten team, and adding Rutgers was the ultimate exploitation of those cable contracts. Doesn't change the fact that Penn State and Notre Dame football have far more followers in both NYC and Philadelphia.
The map does matter, just because you don't understand how it works doesn't mean it doesn't matter. That higher carriage fee isn't just for the state of New Jersey, it's for the markets. So NYC and Philly both have to pay those higher BTN carriage fees now.
Also how is it a fact that Penn State and Notre Dame have larger followings in NYC? I'll give you PSU and Philly sure I don't even care enough to argue about that, but go ahead and show your work on how they have a bigger following in NYC. Rutgers alum dwarfs every other alumni group in NYC. Notre Dame? This isn't the 60's or even the 80's anymore. The working class Irish communities are all gone and even those folks don't root for the Fighting Irish anymore. You really have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to the tri-state area do you?
The Irish in Ireland still root for Notre Dame, does that count?
Not a single person on the planet roots for Notre Dame, haven't you heard?
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Quote:Rutgers has been involved in all five of the all-time top-rated football games in New York City on ESPN2 and been part of four of the five all-time highest-rated football games in the New York City area on ESPN.
2011 is a couple of years ago? Rutgers has lost a ton of casual fans since then. Not sure what the nums are now but it will be interesting to analyze. Obviously, tOSU and UM have also really benefited from adding Rutgers and opening the tri-state market.
(This post was last modified: 05-17-2019 01:23 PM by TexanMark.)
RE: UConn is the new Rutgers in terms of fiscal deficits (and other rants)
(05-17-2019 08:27 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:
(05-16-2019 10:51 PM)TexanMark Wrote: Yet Rutgers still pukes all over themselves.
Maybe so, but now we are puking all over ourselves in the BIG, which is a whole lot better than doing it in the AAC. Think rich drunk vs broke wino.
Always good to hear from you Mark.
And in a few more years apparently maybe $55M a year to puke on!
You'll have to join our tailgate when you guys come up to play in a couple years. Yes, I have even hosted RutgersAl in person...BTW, he is a super guy.
Quote:Rutgers has been involved in all five of the all-time top-rated football games in New York City on ESPN2 and been part of four of the five all-time highest-rated football games in the New York City area on ESPN.
2011 is a couple of years ago? Rutgers has lost a ton of casual fans since then.
Those are all time ratings. I know you think being closer to canada than NYC somehow makes you relevant down here but it doesnt. Sorry
Quote:Rutgers has been involved in all five of the all-time top-rated football games in New York City on ESPN2 and been part of four of the five all-time highest-rated football games in the New York City area on ESPN.
2011 is a couple of years ago? Rutgers has lost a ton of casual fans since then.
Those are all time ratings. I know you think being closer to canada than NYC somehow makes you relevant down here but it doesnt. Sorry
Those were ratings through 2011 season. They were looking at games on ESPN and ESPN2 only as Rutgers doesn't have much cachet outside NJ and it is hard to grab OTA TV time for them nationally. I'm not so sure it would draw similar ratings today. Your fan base has been shrinking yearly with the horrible hires.
(This post was last modified: 05-17-2019 02:22 PM by TexanMark.)
Quote:Rutgers has been involved in all five of the all-time top-rated football games in New York City on ESPN2 and been part of four of the five all-time highest-rated football games in the New York City area on ESPN.
2011 is a couple of years ago? Rutgers has lost a ton of casual fans since then.
Those are all time ratings. I know you think being closer to canada than NYC somehow makes you relevant down here but it doesnt. Sorry
Those were ratings through 2011 season. They were looking at games on ESPN and ESPN2 only as Rutgers doesn't have much cachet outside NJ and it is hard to grab OTA TV time for them nationally. I'm not so sure it would draw similar ratings today. Your fan base has been shrinking yearly with the horrible hires.
No, those were not just for that season.
Quote:Rutgers has been involved in all five of the all-time top-rated football games in New York City on ESPN2 and been part of four of the five all-time highest-rated football games in the New York City area on ESPN.
Well if anyone knows about shrinking fan bases based on horrible hires it's the Cuse fans. Way to come into a thread and start **** talking.
(This post was last modified: 05-17-2019 04:22 PM by RutgersGuy.)
RE: UConn is the new Rutgers in terms of fiscal deficits (and other rants)
Can I just say how much I love when former Big East members (namely Pitt and Cuse fans) talk smack about Rutgers. It's like that girl who dumps you for someone else then you go out and end up with someone even better than her. They get so jealous and try and put you down but you and everyone else knows you're with the much better looking partner and they wish they were too.
2011 is a couple of years ago? Rutgers has lost a ton of casual fans since then.
Those are all time ratings. I know you think being closer to canada than NYC somehow makes you relevant down here but it doesnt. Sorry
Those were ratings through 2011 season. They were looking at games on ESPN and ESPN2 only as Rutgers doesn't have much cachet outside NJ and it is hard to grab OTA TV time for them nationally. I'm not so sure it would draw similar ratings today. Your fan base has been shrinking yearly with the horrible hires.
No, those were not just for that season.
Quote:Rutgers has been involved in all five of the all-time top-rated football games in New York City on ESPN2 and been part of four of the five all-time highest-rated football games in the New York City area on ESPN.
Well if anyone knows about shrinking fan bases based on horrible hires it's the Cuse fans. Way to come into a thread and start **** talking.
Sorry if the truth hurts. I wouldn't call Dino Babers a horrible hire. Shafer was pretty bad but Doug Marrone was very good and is an NFL head coach right now. Greg Robinson was almost as bad as Ash...so we know what you are going through.
But guess what? You have Ash and we have Babers...99.99999% of CFB ADs and fans would take Dino Babers over your guy.
BTW, Cuse is close to 6500 brand new added season ticket holders this year. They expect to hit 9-10K new STH'ers by Septmeber. They already have one ABC primetime game announced. They will be a good bet to host ESPN Game Day in mid-September. They will be one of the few schools showing a 15-20% gain in average attendance. Our national cachet and brand is far superior to Rutgers.
RE: UConn is the new Rutgers in terms of fiscal deficits (and other rants)
(05-17-2019 04:24 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote: Can I just say how much I love when former Big East members (namely Pitt and Cuse fans) talk smack about Rutgers. It's like that girl who dumps you for someone else then you go out and end up with someone even better than her. They get so jealous and try and put you down but you and everyone else knows you're with the much better looking partner and they wish they were too.
Sorry but what you don't realize is our school and fan base is much better off in the ACC over the B1G average profile. We fit in the ACC and not as well in the BIG. Our alumni and fan base is up and down the east coast for the most part and not in the MidWest. Cuse is a more national school than Rutgers in student profile. We are in a league that actually wins national championships on a regular basis. I enjoy tailgating at away games in November in shorts. As far as I know the ACC and B1G do not distribute TV money to fans. The ACC is doing just fine at lower TV rights. The ACC Network will help close the gap over the next 5 years.
College sports is about the coaches, schemes and athletes and not about splash parks and luxury dorms.
RE: UConn is the new Rutgers in terms of fiscal deficits (and other rants)
Does any of this really matter? You have 25, maybe 30 schools that can legitimately compete for national championships year over year. I’m not interested in Cinderella seasons. I want my school to have a legit shot to compete for something in most seasons. Most P5 schools can’t compete and are running deficits. So...what...
GTFOH over the B1G caring about academics. Nebraska was getting the boot from the AAU - before they got their invite. Believe Mich and Wiscy voted to boot Nebraska out of the AAU. Contradictions abound in this thread. LOL!
RE: UConn is the new Rutgers in terms of fiscal deficits (and other rants)
(05-17-2019 05:07 PM)TexanMark Wrote:
(05-17-2019 04:24 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote: Can I just say how much I love when former Big East members (namely Pitt and Cuse fans) talk smack about Rutgers. It's like that girl who dumps you for someone else then you go out and end up with someone even better than her. They get so jealous and try and put you down but you and everyone else knows you're with the much better looking partner and they wish they were too.
Sorry but what you don't realize is our school and fan base is much better off in the ACC over the B1G average profile. We fit in the ACC and not as well in the BIG. Our alumni and fan base is up and down the east coast for the most part and not in the MidWest. Cuse is a more national school than Rutgers in student profile. We are in a league that actually wins national championships on a regular basis. I enjoy tailgating at away games in November in shorts. As far as I know the ACC and B1G do not distribute TV money to fans. The ACC is doing just fine at lower TV rights. The ACC Network will help close the gap over the next 5 years.
College sports is about the coaches, schemes and athletes and not about splash parks and luxury dorms.
RE: UConn is the new Rutgers in terms of fiscal deficits (and other rants)
(05-17-2019 08:52 PM)miko33 Wrote: Does any of this really matter? You have 25, maybe 30 schools that can legitimately compete for national championships year over year. I’m not interested in Cinderella seasons. I want my school to have a legit shot to compete for something in most seasons. Most P5 schools can’t compete and are running deficits. So...what...
GTFOH over the B1G caring about academics. Nebraska was getting the boot from the AAU - before they got their invite. Believe Mich and Wiscy voted to boot Nebraska out of the AAU. Contradictions abound in this thread. LOL!
This thread is not about Nebraska. Nebraska got in on name alone, same as Oklahoma would.
The thread is about Uconn and Rutgers. Academics did matter because the BIG obviously wanted to go east. Do yourself a favor and look up top research schools. You will see Rutgers on those lists and that mattered.
And no, none of this does matter. Exactly what I said with my first post. This same stupid topic comes up quite often and it's the same old crap.
RE: UConn is the new Rutgers in terms of fiscal deficits (and other rants)
(05-17-2019 09:34 PM)cubucks Wrote:
(05-17-2019 08:52 PM)miko33 Wrote: Does any of this really matter? You have 25, maybe 30 schools that can legitimately compete for national championships year over year. I’m not interested in Cinderella seasons. I want my school to have a legit shot to compete for something in most seasons. Most P5 schools can’t compete and are running deficits. So...what...
GTFOH over the B1G caring about academics. Nebraska was getting the boot from the AAU - before they got their invite. Believe Mich and Wiscy voted to boot Nebraska out of the AAU. Contradictions abound in this thread. LOL!
This thread is not about Nebraska. Nebraska got in on name alone, same as Oklahoma would.
The thread is about Uconn and Rutgers. Academics did matter because the BIG obviously wanted to go east. Do yourself a favor and look up top research schools. You will see Rutgers on those lists and that mattered.
And no, none of this does matter. Exactly what I said with my first post. This same stupid topic comes up quite often and it's the same old crap.
I disagree with the notion that academics played any role in B1G expansion plans. As you point out, Oklahoma gets in and only because of football. Rutgers academics played zero role. If UCONN was in the NYC DMA (call them UNORK for example) and Rutgers were a land grant in Storrs (call them Cutgers for example), and everything else was kept constant then we would see “UNORK” in the B1G. It’s really simple. Why people rehash this stupid argument is beyond me.
If people truly had brains, they would only care about all of this if athletic financial windfalls would translate to lower tuition rates. It doesn’t? Then seriously consider why should you care. College athletics is easily a larger cesspool of corruption that is well beyond anything the pro sports could do.
I get it that I went in the weeds with the last set of statements. However, I think it relates. It goes to bread and circuses.
RE: UConn is the new Rutgers in terms of fiscal deficits (and other rants)
(05-18-2019 07:44 AM)miko33 Wrote:
(05-17-2019 09:34 PM)cubucks Wrote:
(05-17-2019 08:52 PM)miko33 Wrote: Does any of this really matter? You have 25, maybe 30 schools that can legitimately compete for national championships year over year. I’m not interested in Cinderella seasons. I want my school to have a legit shot to compete for something in most seasons. Most P5 schools can’t compete and are running deficits. So...what...
GTFOH over the B1G caring about academics. Nebraska was getting the boot from the AAU - before they got their invite. Believe Mich and Wiscy voted to boot Nebraska out of the AAU. Contradictions abound in this thread. LOL!
This thread is not about Nebraska. Nebraska got in on name alone, same as Oklahoma would.
The thread is about Uconn and Rutgers. Academics did matter because the BIG obviously wanted to go east. Do yourself a favor and look up top research schools. You will see Rutgers on those lists and that mattered.
And no, none of this does matter. Exactly what I said with my first post. This same stupid topic comes up quite often and it's the same old crap.
I disagree with the notion that academics played any role in B1G expansion plans. As you point out, Oklahoma gets in and only because of football. Rutgers academics played zero role. If UCONN was in the NYC DMA (call them UNORK for example) and Rutgers were a land grant in Storrs (call them Cutgers for example), and everything else was kept constant then we would see “UNORK” in the B1G. It’s really simple. Why people rehash this stupid argument is beyond me.
If people truly had brains, they would only care about all of this if athletic financial windfalls would translate to lower tuition rates. It doesn’t? Then seriously consider why should you care. College athletics is easily a larger cesspool of corruption that is well beyond anything the pro sports could do.
I get it that I went in the weeds with the last set of statements. However, I think it relates. It goes to bread and circuses.
Well of course location matters, if Gonzaga was in Cleveland they'd be in the Big East.
RE: UConn is the new Rutgers in terms of fiscal deficits (and other rants)
(05-18-2019 07:59 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:
(05-18-2019 07:44 AM)miko33 Wrote:
(05-17-2019 09:34 PM)cubucks Wrote:
(05-17-2019 08:52 PM)miko33 Wrote: Does any of this really matter? You have 25, maybe 30 schools that can legitimately compete for national championships year over year. I’m not interested in Cinderella seasons. I want my school to have a legit shot to compete for something in most seasons. Most P5 schools can’t compete and are running deficits. So...what...
GTFOH over the B1G caring about academics. Nebraska was getting the boot from the AAU - before they got their invite. Believe Mich and Wiscy voted to boot Nebraska out of the AAU. Contradictions abound in this thread. LOL!
This thread is not about Nebraska. Nebraska got in on name alone, same as Oklahoma would.
The thread is about Uconn and Rutgers. Academics did matter because the BIG obviously wanted to go east. Do yourself a favor and look up top research schools. You will see Rutgers on those lists and that mattered.
And no, none of this does matter. Exactly what I said with my first post. This same stupid topic comes up quite often and it's the same old crap.
I disagree with the notion that academics played any role in B1G expansion plans. As you point out, Oklahoma gets in and only because of football. Rutgers academics played zero role. If UCONN was in the NYC DMA (call them UNORK for example) and Rutgers were a land grant in Storrs (call them Cutgers for example), and everything else was kept constant then we would see “UNORK” in the B1G. It’s really simple. Why people rehash this stupid argument is beyond me.
If people truly had brains, they would only care about all of this if athletic financial windfalls would translate to lower tuition rates. It doesn’t? Then seriously consider why should you care. College athletics is easily a larger cesspool of corruption that is well beyond anything the pro sports could do.
I get it that I went in the weeds with the last set of statements. However, I think it relates. It goes to bread and circuses.
Well of course location matters, if Gonzaga was in Cleveland they'd be in the Big East.
It’s the only thing that mattered. I agree about your opinion on a Gonzaga, and it illustrates how arbitrary it really is. My comments were only about the academics angle as having any value along with the futility of comparing UCONN vs Rutgers wrt to merit. Swap Rutgers with USF for location and USF is a B1G member. No football pedigree nor academic cred needed. B1G simply needed a big enough school in the NYC with a pulse. All other convos about the merits of UCONN vs Rutgers are ridiculous.
RE: UConn is the new Rutgers in terms of fiscal deficits (and other rants)
It didn’t hurt that Rutgers pegged itself institutionally to Big Ten and similar schools. From what floated out there about Rutgers and their decades-long interest in joining the Big Ten, they got some sort of road map, made the right allies, and kept reminding those friends what and where they were that made them so special. Eventually too hard to pass up in the east.
RE: UConn is the new Rutgers in terms of fiscal deficits (and other rants)
While I agree economics was the primary driver of inviting Rutgers to the B1G, of which geography clearly is the main factor based on the TV market, I disagree academics is not a consideration. It's the Presidents of these Universities who make the decision, not the Commissioner, ADs, Football coaches, Alumni, Professors, or T-Shirt fans. The presidents do care who's invited to join the Big Ten Academic Alliance, whether the school is currently a strong research institution, has the potential to become a strong research school and/or brings a strong medical school into the Alliance. I believe that if Rutgers swapped geography with West Virginia, Louisville, UCF, USF as examples, and everything else beside geography being static, the B1G would have either waited to expand or gone with an alternative path outside the NY Metropolitan area. The B1G has no issue waiting decades for expansion as its history shows. And that's not a knock on those schools as I'm sure they have many excellent programs, professors and talented students.
(This post was last modified: 05-18-2019 09:52 AM by Rob from NJ.)
RE: UConn is the new Rutgers in terms of fiscal deficits (and other rants)
(05-18-2019 09:36 AM)Rob from NJ Wrote: While I agree economics was the primary driver of inviting Rutgers to the B1G, of which geography clearly is the main factor based on the TV market, I disagree academics is not a consideration. It's the Presidents of these Universities who make the decision, not the Commissioner, ADs, Football coaches, Alumni, Professors, or T-Shirt fans. The presidents do care who's invited to join the Big Ten Academic Alliance, whether the school is currently a strong research institution, has the potential to become a strong research school and/or brings a strong medical school into the Alliance. I believe that if Rutgers swapped geography with West Virginia, Louisville, UCF, USF as examples, and everything else beside geography being static, the B1G would have either waited to expand or gone with an alternative path outside the NY Metropolitan area. The B1G has no issue waiting decades for expansion as its history shows. And that's not a knock on those schools as I'm sure they have many excellent programs, professors and talented students.
Exactly! These decisions are just as much about who you want to associate with than athletics. Also NJ is a strong recruiting ground for not just athletes but also students. As more families move from the mid-west branching out to the north east for students is what they need to do, and with NJ residents paying almost the same as out of state students many flee the garden state for their higher educational needs. NJ is year in and year out rated in the top 3 states for public education. You know who is also in the top 3 every year? Maryland. Coincidence? I think not.
RE: UConn is the new Rutgers in terms of fiscal deficits (and other rants)
Whatever veneer you want to apply to it to give the illusion of amateur collegiate competition... Just keep in mind that these university presidents also have to worry about revenue too. If B1G admins can force NYC metro inhabitants to pay for the BigTen channel thru the cable providers...therefore Rutgers. Academics play no role, or Nebraska never gets invited nor would Oklahoma have a standing invite. Also, they wouldn’t have pursued Notre Dame since they are not a research university.
JFC, there’s less spin in the Spin Room than you see in this forum...
RE: UConn is the new Rutgers in terms of fiscal deficits (and other rants)
(05-18-2019 07:44 AM)miko33 Wrote:
(05-17-2019 09:34 PM)cubucks Wrote:
(05-17-2019 08:52 PM)miko33 Wrote: Does any of this really matter? You have 25, maybe 30 schools that can legitimately compete for national championships year over year. I’m not interested in Cinderella seasons. I want my school to have a legit shot to compete for something in most seasons. Most P5 schools can’t compete and are running deficits. So...what...
GTFOH over the B1G caring about academics. Nebraska was getting the boot from the AAU - before they got their invite. Believe Mich and Wiscy voted to boot Nebraska out of the AAU. Contradictions abound in this thread. LOL!
This thread is not about Nebraska. Nebraska got in on name alone, same as Oklahoma would.
The thread is about Uconn and Rutgers. Academics did matter because the BIG obviously wanted to go east. Do yourself a favor and look up top research schools. You will see Rutgers on those lists and that mattered.
And no, none of this does matter. Exactly what I said with my first post. This same stupid topic comes up quite often and it's the same old crap.
I disagree with the notion that academics played any role in B1G expansion plans. As you point out, Oklahoma gets in and only because of football. Rutgers academics played zero role. If UCONN was in the NYC DMA (call them UNORK for example) and Rutgers were a land grant in Storrs (call them Cutgers for example), and everything else was kept constant then we would see “UNORK” in the B1G. It’s really simple. Why people rehash this stupid argument is beyond me.
If people truly had brains, they would only care about all of this if athletic financial windfalls would translate to lower tuition rates. It doesn’t? Then seriously consider why should you care. College athletics is easily a larger cesspool of corruption that is well beyond anything the pro sports could do.
I get it that I went in the weeds with the last set of statements. However, I think it relates. It goes to bread and circuses.
As always, I respect your opinion as I do everyone's on here.
Calling me stupid though is absurd!
Rutgers:
Large land grant- check
Huge research- check
Location- double check
Academics AAU- double check
Athletics- yuck
You see, if any of those academic reasons were not checked, Rutgers is not in the BIG. Maybe they went after Syracuse before the ACC grabbed them? Who knows?
Yes location matters, that you are right about. But, if Rutgers is a crap academic school, they are never even considered. Their athletic brand alone is not getting them in like Nebraska.
What am I saying that's not fact? I dont come on here spewing crap just to argue with people. You are moving colleges around and giving them stupid names and saying the conference would take this school just on location alone. If Uconn had really solid football to go with basketball then they probably would have been considered. It's nothing against Uconn, I'm not the one deciding these things. I'm simply stating why Rutgers was chosen.
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UConn is the new Rutgers in terms of fiscal deficits (and other rants)
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