(05-18-2019 05:12 PM)UTROCKET Wrote:  I could not agree more. The UT athletic brand is a TOTAL JOKE!! Every single team has a different font or logo used. The colors are not even the same. I have been saying this for years.

All you have to do is Google college rebrand and look at all the universities that have recently done it for a more consistent marketing brand.

UT needs to work with Nike and do a complete rebrand of the athletic program ASAP. We honestly look like a high school athletic program with the wide range of uniforms and styles.

Its time for the University and the AD to start taking this seriously or we are always going to be behind other D-1 programs. I hope they get it done ASAP

Wasn’t long ago that our basketball uniforms had the Toledo wording in cursive writing. I agree that UT’s athletic brand needs to be revamped ASAP. Maybe bring in some new faces / fresh blood to lead us in the right direction. There should be a solid connection of unity between each and every team’s uniforms and mission, but there’s not currently.

(05-19-2019 06:48 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(05-19-2019 07:56 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(05-18-2019 05:12 PM)UTROCKET Wrote:  I could not agree more. The UT athletic brand is a TOTAL JOKE!! Every single team has a different font or logo used. The colors are not even the same. I have been saying this for years.

All you have to do is Google college rebrand and look at all the universities that have recently done it for a more consistent marketing brand.

UT needs to work with Nike and do a complete rebrand of the athletic program ASAP. We honestly look like a high school athletic program with the wide range of uniforms and styles.

Its time for the University and the AD to start taking this seriously or we are always going to be behind other D-1 programs. I hope they get it done ASAP

Unless things changed this season with a few teams...Nike isn't the sole apparel provider for UT athletics teams. As fonts, colors, and logos are typically copyrighted by apparel companies, there's not a whole lot that can be done.

EDIT: Yep...track and cross country are Aasics/New Balance, Baseball is Rawlings, and Tennis is Aasics/New Balance (though they may be picked up by Nike distribution next season).

Apparel contracts are doled out in cash/apparel combinations, and since most sports arent solid contributors to advertising, the companies wont supply apparel for them, which is why you see some sports have to get bargain basement level stuff. Also, many contracts have specific stipulations on who has design control, what level of individuality each contract holder has, and how many times those designs may change. For all of the complaining about UA, they are typically FAR more open to design considerations from the University side of things, and like to individualize their clients far more than Adidias or Nike ever do.

The jerseys can be similar. Use the same rocket (that's not a problem), same UT logo (not the crest, not the 60s one, not the 90s one.) Actually, pick an old one and go with it. Who cares!? Just all the same. The styles of trim and stuff may be different but if the word "Toledo" looks the same on all of them that's fine. The basketball and football team are miles away in their number style and color schemes. .
Like I pointed to in the OP. EMU and NIU have figured it out. So should we.

Typeface typically is copyrighted by the apparel companies unless the University itself owns that property (something UT/UToledo does not...as I stated before, they don't even know what to call themselves yet, so that's about 10 steps further down the line). Once they determine the general word based branding (official typeface, logo, etc.) then a consistent brand can be used by athletics, but the jerseys themselves will always look different until they're under a unified apparel distributor.

a fairly consistent logo is important I'm sure. I don't know that it has to be exactly the same in all uses. I do believe it should include the name in some form of the institution it represents and since it is not the University of Glass City, I'm kind of against that on premises.

(05-17-2019 12:01 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  The moniker of "Glass City" is completely fake. They could self-name it "Smooth Driving City" and it would be more true. I'm not sure there's even a single component of the industry in which we're a leader. Even its "Glass Pavilion" was made in China.

"Jeep City" maybe. "Glass City" fake and WAY too easily memed into "Azz City. Grey says "old." An old azz city. That's just great. Who makes these decisions?

I've thought this through. Reasoned it out. Emotioned it out. Took a poll.

Midnight Blue and Gold: UT!

surely this is a joke.....

for a very long time, on just about every car you'd see "LOF" because toledo made that much auto glass.

it still may be like this, i havent checked.

toledo also makes scales and....wait for it....wranglers.

(05-20-2019 08:06 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  a fairly consistent logo is important I'm sure. I don't know that it has to be exactly the same in all uses. I do believe it should include the name in some form of the institution it represents and since it is not the University of Glass City, I'm kind of against that on premises.

For sure...I couldn't agree more.

The thing that has frustrated me the most regarding all athletic and casual apparel for UT is that there is absolutely no consistency, and much of it looks amateurish (like it was stitch on by a Mom & Pop down the street). Give me this on everything please...

(05-17-2019 02:33 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(05-17-2019 09:49 AM)PaulJ Wrote:  Since UT Athletics doesn't even market nor sell football jerseys the lack of effort or concern to address uniform styles and colors makes sense. Pro teams spend plenty of time and money to create a brand for which they can generate millions off millions of their fans. UT simply does not have that approach or market, so no surprise little thought is given to creating a consistent brand and marketing approach to promote and sell them. Perhaps that is a lost opportunity and revenue streams or maybe UT Athletics knows more about their market and fan base then we do, in terms of what upfront efforts and costs it would take with little return in terms of new revenue? Either way, even though some might debate uniform colors and styles, at the end of the day most fans do not care and simply attend the games with little thought or concern - beyond noting - the uniforms or branding, neither of which really contribute to the on the field play or drawing in fans. The mix of colors and uniforms may care more to the players and from a recruitment perspective or sometimes to how they appear on national TV, beyond that who really cares?

The fans don't care because the University athletics department doesn't care. I bet Oregon fans had the same mindset in the early 2000's before they began to become KNOWN as Nike Jersey U. Ohio State used to be traditional and even they have moved to a game of black, grey, or throw back uniforms... The culture has changed.

The reason certain fans like yourself may not care is BECAUSE we have been so inconsistent and flirty with about 100 styles. If we had been wearing the same uniform since 1970 or even 2000, you would be in uproar if we changed our style. Yet change is so commonplace, fans don't give a hoot. IMO that's why we NEED a consistent brand. So we can become KNOWN for something. Honestly, UT and Toledo has a lot more to work with than most mid majors. What the hell can Akron do branding a Kangaroo and a ZIP? I'm greatful we are not them. I'm still not content with being a middling mid major forever.

Our budget, market size and competition for attention with ND, MSU, UM and OSU also in the market, make it very hard for UT to carve out much more fan interest including promotion and marketing of jerseys etc..... plus limits what can be done (budget) and what can be successful (interest). And yes I would like to see UT do more, but lets be realistic-within our market there are likely 5-10x more college football fans with interests that does not include UT is a real situation. And yes we are a middling mid major and we can continue to complain about that or wish for more-as we have for decades-but that's not going to change.

(05-20-2019 08:07 AM)crusher38 Wrote:  

(05-17-2019 12:01 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  The moniker of "Glass City" is completely fake. They could self-name it "Smooth Driving City" and it would be more true. I'm not sure there's even a single component of the industry in which we're a leader. Even its "Glass Pavilion" was made in China.

"Jeep City" maybe. "Glass City" fake and WAY too easily memed into "Azz City. Grey says "old." An old azz city. That's just great. Who makes these decisions?

I've thought this through. Reasoned it out. Emotioned it out. Took a poll.

Midnight Blue and Gold: UT!

surely this is a joke.....

for a very long time, on just about every car you'd see "LOF" because toledo made that much auto glass.

it still may be like this, i havent checked.

toledo also makes scales and....wait for it....wranglers.

Well, if you think Midnight Blue and Gold and UT are jokes, to each their own.

I think the University of Rossford has the LOF logo tied up and I believe Columbus makes the scales.

(05-20-2019 09:24 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(05-20-2019 08:06 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  a fairly consistent logo is important I'm sure. I don't know that it has to be exactly the same in all uses. I do believe it should include the name in some form of the institution it represents and since it is not the University of Glass City, I'm kind of against that on premises.

For sure...I couldn't agree more.

The thing that has frustrated me the most regarding all athletic and casual apparel for UT is that there is absolutely no consistency, and much of it looks amateurish (like it was stitch on by a Mom & Pop down the street). Give me this on everything please...

I particularly like the blue rocket over the yellow Toledo. I've not seen the amateurish stuff but have seen some really classy looking things in the shops. Set you back $40 or more but as classy as anything I've seen at any other U.

There has been a distinct uptick in just the casual UT wear I've seen around town. It's gone past being ok to wear to being a item I think. I really think keeping with the Toledo theme is the best idea. Not to totally throw "glass city" under the bus, obviously a way to get more on-board would be to incorporate the corporations but just locally. Big mistake to market the University as second fiddle that way nationally.

If Jeep wanted to put out a UT themed Jeep Gladiator, that'd get some wee-wee's wagging.....

(05-17-2019 08:56 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(05-17-2019 12:01 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  The moniker of "Glass City" is completely fake. They could self-name it "Smooth Driving City" and it would be more true. I'm not sure there's even a single component of the industry in which we're a leader. Even its "Glass Pavilion" was made in China.

"Jeep City" maybe. "Glass City" fake and WAY too easily memed into "Azz City. Grey says "old." An old azz city. That's just great. Who makes these decisions?

I've thought this through. Reasoned it out. Emotioned it out. Took a poll.

Midnight Blue and Gold: UT!

Search Glass City and see what comes up.
Search UT and see what comes up.

We make pink insulation. That's fiber glass. Lots of places earn a nick name and years down the line they don't lead the world in that production. I'm sure some place in China makes way more cars than Detroit, but that's where the GM headquarters is. That's the nick name.

Nothing is fake about Glass City... We play in the Glass Bowl...

Glass City is cool. So were the Softball jerseys worn in their first EVER MAC title... If we could consistently brand it, we could successfully brand it... Not whatever the hell we do with different colors, logos and propaganda nowadays.

Well said!

(05-20-2019 12:12 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(05-20-2019 08:07 AM)crusher38 Wrote:  

(05-17-2019 12:01 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  The moniker of "Glass City" is completely fake. They could self-name it "Smooth Driving City" and it would be more true. I'm not sure there's even a single component of the industry in which we're a leader. Even its "Glass Pavilion" was made in China.

"Jeep City" maybe. "Glass City" fake and WAY too easily memed into "Azz City. Grey says "old." An old azz city. That's just great. Who makes these decisions?

I've thought this through. Reasoned it out. Emotioned it out. Took a poll.

Midnight Blue and Gold: UT!

surely this is a joke.....

for a very long time, on just about every car you'd see "LOF" because toledo made that much auto glass.

it still may be like this, i havent checked.

toledo also makes scales and....wait for it....wranglers.

Well, if you think Midnight Blue and Gold and UT are jokes, to each their own.

I think the University of Rossford has the LOF logo tied up and I believe Columbus makes the scales.

how do you trash UT and toledo as the glass capital and then when someone checkmates you.....you accuse someone of saying UT is a joke?

(05-20-2019 04:30 PM)crusher38 Wrote:  

(05-20-2019 12:12 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(05-20-2019 08:07 AM)crusher38 Wrote:  

(05-17-2019 12:01 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  The moniker of "Glass City" is completely fake. They could self-name it "Smooth Driving City" and it would be more true. I'm not sure there's even a single component of the industry in which we're a leader. Even its "Glass Pavilion" was made in China.

"Jeep City" maybe. "Glass City" fake and WAY too easily memed into "Azz City. Grey says "old." An old azz city. That's just great. Who makes these decisions?

I've thought this through. Reasoned it out. Emotioned it out. Took a poll.

Midnight Blue and Gold: UT!

surely this is a joke.....

for a very long time, on just about every car you'd see "LOF" because toledo made that much auto glass.

it still may be like this, i havent checked.

toledo also makes scales and....wait for it....wranglers.

Well, if you think Midnight Blue and Gold and UT are jokes, to each their own.

I think the University of Rossford has the LOF logo tied up and I believe Columbus makes the scales.

how do you trash UT and toledo as the glass capital and then when someone checkmates you.....you accuse someone of saying UT is a joke?

I write "Midnight Blue and Gold: UT!" Moronically, you respond "Surely this must be a joke." If that wasn't your intent, learn to write. Be a fool elswhere, you make an educational facility look bad.

I nowhere trashed UT, I promoted it as THE brand. I trashed the idea of the University of UT using the city's brand. If UofTF feels the University has been ineffectual with using their own brand, then how does UofTF feel they would be more effective using some other organizations? Might as well as steal Netflix'.

I also attempted to point out that your auto glass wasn't made in Toledo. It was probably made in Rossford or Louisiana (unless you're over 100). It then became British, then Japanese. That "Toledo Scale" is no longer in Toledo. Hasn't been for decades. "Mettler-Toledo" is a Swiss company, HQed in Columbus.

These are not brands for a University, which still exists in TOLEDO and is not owned by the Swiss, the British, the Japanese or the Italians.

(05-20-2019 06:01 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(05-20-2019 04:30 PM)crusher38 Wrote:  

(05-20-2019 12:12 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(05-20-2019 08:07 AM)crusher38 Wrote:  

(05-17-2019 12:01 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  The moniker of "Glass City" is completely fake. They could self-name it "Smooth Driving City" and it would be more true. I'm not sure there's even a single component of the industry in which we're a leader. Even its "Glass Pavilion" was made in China.

"Jeep City" maybe. "Glass City" fake and WAY too easily memed into "Azz City. Grey says "old." An old azz city. That's just great. Who makes these decisions?

I've thought this through. Reasoned it out. Emotioned it out. Took a poll.

Midnight Blue and Gold: UT!

surely this is a joke.....

for a very long time, on just about every car you'd see "LOF" because toledo made that much auto glass.

it still may be like this, i havent checked.

toledo also makes scales and....wait for it....wranglers.

Well, if you think Midnight Blue and Gold and UT are jokes, to each their own.

I think the University of Rossford has the LOF logo tied up and I believe Columbus makes the scales.

how do you trash UT and toledo as the glass capital and then when someone checkmates you.....you accuse someone of saying UT is a joke?

I write "Midnight Blue and Gold: UT!" Moronically, you respond "Surely this must be a joke." If that wasn't your intent, learn to write. Be a fool elswhere, you make an educational facility look bad.

I nowhere trashed UT, I promoted it as THE brand. I trashed the idea of the University of UT using the city's brand. If UofTF feels the University has been ineffectual with using their own brand, then how does UofTF feel they would be more effective using some other organizations? Might as well as steal Netflix'.

I also attempted to point out that your auto glass wasn't made in Toledo. It was probably made in Rossford or Louisiana (unless you're over 100). It then became British, then Japanese. That "Toledo Scale" is no longer in Toledo. Hasn't been for decades. "Mettler-Toledo" is a Swiss company, HQed in Columbus.

These are not brands for a University, which still exists in TOLEDO and is not owned by the Swiss, the British, the Japanese or the Italians.

You've missed on just about all of my points, lol. You really like UT but seem to not understand only NWO folks connect UT with The University of Toledo. To the rest of the country it means Texas or Tennessee...

Tulsa boasting a TU flag in 2017 may have confused some old timers in Toledo as folks over 60 still refer to the school as that. UT is literally the worst acronym in the country to use besides OSU, which is used by Oklahoma State, Oregon State and THE Ohio State University.

So you have a population of about half a million people in the entire country who connect UT with Toledo, and the other 300 million or so thinks it's either A DIFFERENT school or an acronym specific to them... And THAT is how we should brand? At least you can Google Glass City and no one else has that search connected to them. If you don't like that idea, fine, but the kids think it's cool. ESPECIALLY fans of the NBA which has embraced the "city" theme on their uniforms. But yep, they're all wrong too.

All of that talk is moot though. I want the University to support the city, and the city to support it back. That's it. Let's make 270,000 people root for us instead of Ohio State and Michigan. It's a tall task sure, but folks in Boise probably fancied many other PAC schools before their own WAC/MWC team. The same goes for UCF in Orlando, SDSU, or TCU in the Dallas area... Big city's with other teams and entertainment now PAYING ATTENTION TO THEIR HOMETOWN TEAM. THATS GOOD ****!

(05-20-2019 08:55 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  You've missed on just about all of my points, lol. You really like UT but seem to not understand only NWO folks connect UT with The University of Toledo. To the rest of the country it means Texas or Tennessee...

I don't believe I missed a single point nor am lacking a national perspective, having been to all of them, done business in many of them and lived in several of them. I simply disagree with your point. There are OUs and OSUs and NCUs and there are several that could claim "glass city" should they choose. There is only one "University of TOLEDO." We're it. There is only one "UT Rocket." We're it. We can market that by making it quality and shipping that quality out. We do not need someone else's marketing. Occam's Razor.

As I wrote, I did google "Glass City" and Toledo was well down the list. I googled "Azz City" and Toledo showed up. Such it is as google works.

BTW: I didn't see where you answered my question, perhaps you did. Do you know how, when and by who Toledo got that "glass city" marketing? Have you since looked it up? If youre intent on trying a copycat marketing scheme at least suggest "Jeep City." You ask people whether they'd rather identify with glass or with jeep, what do you think will be the answer? But both would be stupid. But then I find the now outdated "blah blah Nation" to have been derivative and without lasting power. Same will be the death of your "city."

The University of Toledo Rockets, will live on.

(05-20-2019 09:21 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(05-20-2019 08:55 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  You've missed on just about all of my points, lol. You really like UT but seem to not understand only NWO folks connect UT with The University of Toledo. To the rest of the country it means Texas or Tennessee...

I don't believe I missed a single point nor am lacking a national perspective, having been to all of them, done business in many of them and lived in several of them. I simply disagree with your point. There are OUs and OSUs and NCUs and there are several that could claim "glass city" should they choose. There is only one "University of TOLEDO." We're it. There is only one "UT Rocket." We're it. We can market that by making it quality and shipping that quality out. We do not need someone else's marketing. Occam's Razor.

As I wrote, I did google "Glass City" and Toledo was well down the list. I googled "Azz City" and Toledo showed up. Such it is as google works.

BTW: I didn't see where you answered my question, perhaps you did. Do you know how, when and by who Toledo got that "glass city" marketing? Have you since looked it up? If youre intent on trying a copycat marketing scheme at least suggest "Jeep City." You ask people whether they'd rather identify with glass or with jeep, what do you think will be the answer? But both would be stupid. But then I find the now outdated "blah blah Nation" to have been derivative and without lasting power. Same will be the death of your "city."

The University of Toledo Rockets, will live on.

Any city could claim any relevant nickname for their city yes, lol?? But they don't! The Glass City is Toledo!! We play in the fricking glass bowl??? It doesn't matter what you or me want to identify with? I wish we were the "Every citizen is a Millionaire city!" But we aren't, because he nickname "Glass City," was created years ago and it stuck!

UT literally half embraces Glass City (football and softball noteably have), hence why we have done some uniforms with it written on them. You are acting like I made up that term???? "Jeep city" would be cool I guess but literally no one would understand why because Toledo has never been marketed as the "Jeep City." That's the point of branding!!

Google search: Toledo Ohio

"OVERVIEW
TRAVEL GUIDE
DescriptionToledo is an Ohio city at the western tip of Lake Erie. It's home to the Toledo Museum of Art, with its vast collection of modern and Renaissance work. Reflecting the city’s legacy of glass production, the museum's Glass Pavilion showcases thousands of glass works. By the Maumee River, the Imagination Station is a children's science museum with hands-on exhibits. The Toledo Zoo has polar bears, rides and an aquarium."

Google Search Glass City: literally takes me to Toledo Ohio the same exact link as the quote above!!!

I never stated we aren't the Toledo ROCKETS, and that it won't live on??? I want it to! As it should! Let's also not separate ourselves from the place that the University is located! NIU did fricking corn uniforms because it was a Dekkalb thing. Come on now... Every school would love to have a nickname which connects them to the roots of where they are from. We have that!

(05-20-2019 11:50 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Every school would love to have a nickname which connects them to the roots of where they are from. We have that!

The University's "nickname" is The Rockets. You seem to be asking my permission to change it. Do whatever stupid thing you want. Here, I'll help your marketing.

This is MY House now b!^$@$. Go Rock.. Uh Glass City U ^%$%!$er!


See, it's a riff. BG sells degrees in Comic Book Reading. UT, uh GCU owns a comic book shop...

I don't even understand half of your jokes.

(05-21-2019 09:47 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  I don't even understand half of your jokes.

not to worry as no one does (nor do any of his posts or replies make much sense)

(05-20-2019 06:01 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(05-20-2019 04:30 PM)crusher38 Wrote:  

(05-20-2019 12:12 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(05-20-2019 08:07 AM)crusher38 Wrote:  

(05-17-2019 12:01 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  The moniker of "Glass City" is completely fake. They could self-name it "Smooth Driving City" and it would be more true. I'm not sure there's even a single component of the industry in which we're a leader. Even its "Glass Pavilion" was made in China.

"Jeep City" maybe. "Glass City" fake and WAY too easily memed into "Azz City. Grey says "old." An old azz city. That's just great. Who makes these decisions?

I've thought this through. Reasoned it out. Emotioned it out. Took a poll.

Midnight Blue and Gold: UT!

surely this is a joke.....

for a very long time, on just about every car you'd see "LOF" because toledo made that much auto glass.

it still may be like this, i havent checked.

toledo also makes scales and....wait for it....wranglers.

Well, if you think Midnight Blue and Gold and UT are jokes, to each their own.

I think the University of Rossford has the LOF logo tied up and I believe Columbus makes the scales.

how do you trash UT and toledo as the glass capital and then when someone checkmates you.....you accuse someone of saying UT is a joke?

I write "Midnight Blue and Gold: UT!" Moronically, you respond "Surely this must be a joke." If that wasn't your intent, learn to write. Be a fool elswhere, you make an educational facility look bad.

I nowhere trashed UT, I promoted it as THE brand. I trashed the idea of the University of UT using the city's brand. If UofTF feels the University has been ineffectual with using their own brand, then how does UofTF feel they would be more effective using some other organizations? Might as well as steal Netflix'.

I also attempted to point out that your auto glass wasn't made in Toledo. It was probably made in Rossford or Louisiana (unless you're over 100). It then became British, then Japanese. That "Toledo Scale" is no longer in Toledo. Hasn't been for decades. "Mettler-Toledo" is a Swiss company, HQed in Columbus.

These are not brands for a University, which still exists in TOLEDO and is not owned by the Swiss, the British, the Japanese or the Italians.

you sound mad.

(05-21-2019 02:44 PM)crusher38 Wrote:  

(05-20-2019 06:01 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(05-20-2019 04:30 PM)crusher38 Wrote:  

(05-20-2019 12:12 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(05-20-2019 08:07 AM)crusher38 Wrote:  surely this is a joke.....

for a very long time, on just about every car you'd see "LOF" because toledo made that much auto glass.

it still may be like this, i havent checked.

toledo also makes scales and....wait for it....wranglers.

Well, if you think Midnight Blue and Gold and UT are jokes, to each their own.

I think the University of Rossford has the LOF logo tied up and I believe Columbus makes the scales.

how do you trash UT and toledo as the glass capital and then when someone checkmates you.....you accuse someone of saying UT is a joke?

I write "Midnight Blue and Gold: UT!" Moronically, you respond "Surely this must be a joke." If that wasn't your intent, learn to write. Be a fool elswhere, you make an educational facility look bad.

I nowhere trashed UT, I promoted it as THE brand. I trashed the idea of the University of UT using the city's brand. If UofTF feels the University has been ineffectual with using their own brand, then how does UofTF feel they would be more effective using some other organizations? Might as well as steal Netflix'.

I also attempted to point out that your auto glass wasn't made in Toledo. It was probably made in Rossford or Louisiana (unless you're over 100). It then became British, then Japanese. That "Toledo Scale" is no longer in Toledo. Hasn't been for decades. "Mettler-Toledo" is a Swiss company, HQed in Columbus.

These are not brands for a University, which still exists in TOLEDO and is not owned by the Swiss, the British, the Japanese or the Italians.

you sound mad.

You're the one reading a message board and hearing voices in it.

(05-21-2019 12:48 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(05-21-2019 09:47 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  I don't even understand half of your jokes.

not to worry as no one does (nor do any of his posts or replies make much sense)

"no one"

At least I'm a unifier! Didn't know you all got together to talk about someone on the message board. Real men's men? Or by "no one," were you just refering to you?

It can be difficult to craft a response to your sillyness using only two syllable words so I'm sorry that you will not understand this post. Just shake your head "yes" and pretend. Probably get good practice with that at parties.