(08-28-2019 11:11 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  Whelp, looks like none of the remaining big boys blinked. If they were scared of Clemson/GT fans cancelling at least, today would be the day. Unless there's a mass exodus today that shakes them about what happens when fans in Florida and Virginia start missing games, looks like it will be a longer haul.

Shame.

REALLY hurts FSU and Miami football to not be watched by most of fans in Florida (via comcast). Plus the lack of revenue by missing Comcast.

(08-28-2019 01:00 PM)nole Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 11:11 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  Whelp, looks like none of the remaining big boys blinked. If they were scared of Clemson/GT fans cancelling at least, today would be the day. Unless there's a mass exodus today that shakes them about what happens when fans in Florida and Virginia start missing games, looks like it will be a longer haul.

Shame.

REALLY hurts FSU and Miami football to not be watched by most of fans in Florida (via comcast). Plus the lack of revenue by missing Comcast.

But it is obvious that the ACC and the Mouse plan on waiting them out. The hand can be forced by mass exodus. The ACCN will be carried by Cox, Comcast and Dish. They are counting on people not cutting the cord and it is a risky gamble. Lose customers forever vs not coming to the table sooner rather than later.

(08-28-2019 01:31 PM)Indytarheel Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 01:00 PM)nole Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 11:11 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  Whelp, looks like none of the remaining big boys blinked. If they were scared of Clemson/GT fans cancelling at least, today would be the day. Unless there's a mass exodus today that shakes them about what happens when fans in Florida and Virginia start missing games, looks like it will be a longer haul.

Shame.

REALLY hurts FSU and Miami football to not be watched by most of fans in Florida (via comcast). Plus the lack of revenue by missing Comcast.

But it is obvious that the ACC and the Mouse plan on waiting them out. The hand can be forced by mass exodus. The ACCN will be carried by Cox, Comcast and Dish. They are counting on people not cutting the cord and it is a risky gamble. Lose customers forever vs not coming to the table sooner rather than later.

It's not the ACC waiting them out. It's Disney. They're in charge here. The ACC might respond to the distress of fans but not Disney. It's just business to them and they've got the money to wait. If anything, they may be happy that carriers don't pick up ACCN. That will just make it easier for Disney to get customers for its own streaming service which starts in November and, yes, we know that all the ESPN networks will be on the Disney streaming service.

(08-28-2019 01:39 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 01:31 PM)Indytarheel Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 01:00 PM)nole Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 11:11 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  Whelp, looks like none of the remaining big boys blinked. If they were scared of Clemson/GT fans cancelling at least, today would be the day. Unless there's a mass exodus today that shakes them about what happens when fans in Florida and Virginia start missing games, looks like it will be a longer haul.

Shame.

REALLY hurts FSU and Miami football to not be watched by most of fans in Florida (via comcast). Plus the lack of revenue by missing Comcast.

But it is obvious that the ACC and the Mouse plan on waiting them out. The hand can be forced by mass exodus. The ACCN will be carried by Cox, Comcast and Dish. They are counting on people not cutting the cord and it is a risky gamble. Lose customers forever vs not coming to the table sooner rather than later.

It's not the ACC waiting them out. It's Disney. They're in charge here. The ACC might respond to the distress of fans but not Disney. It's just business to them and they've got the money to wait. If anything, they may be happy that carriers don't pick up ACCN. That will just make it easier for Disney to get customers for its own streaming service which starts in November and, yes, we know that all the ESPN networks will be on the Disney streaming service.

No, they absolutely will not. You won't get ESPN networks on the new streaming service. You will be able to get ESPN+ but that is not ESPN or the ACC Network.

Disney has Dish/Sling by the short hairs as their contract is up.
Comcast? Well seems they're matching ESPN stubbornness but with Fla St looming, we'll see. Fla St historically the ACC biggest draw and Fla one of largest Comcast subscriber states.
I'll say welp then I guess.

(08-28-2019 02:49 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 01:39 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 01:31 PM)Indytarheel Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 01:00 PM)nole Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 11:11 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  Whelp, looks like none of the remaining big boys blinked. If they were scared of Clemson/GT fans cancelling at least, today would be the day. Unless there's a mass exodus today that shakes them about what happens when fans in Florida and Virginia start missing games, looks like it will be a longer haul.

Shame.

REALLY hurts FSU and Miami football to not be watched by most of fans in Florida (via comcast). Plus the lack of revenue by missing Comcast.

But it is obvious that the ACC and the Mouse plan on waiting them out. The hand can be forced by mass exodus. The ACCN will be carried by Cox, Comcast and Dish. They are counting on people not cutting the cord and it is a risky gamble. Lose customers forever vs not coming to the table sooner rather than later.

It's not the ACC waiting them out. It's Disney. They're in charge here. The ACC might respond to the distress of fans but not Disney. It's just business to them and they've got the money to wait. If anything, they may be happy that carriers don't pick up ACCN. That will just make it easier for Disney to get customers for its own streaming service which starts in November and, yes, we know that all the ESPN networks will be on the Disney streaming service.

No, they absolutely will not. You won't get ESPN networks on the new streaming service. You will be able to get ESPN+ but that is not ESPN or the ACC Network.

You’re right. I had been looking at something saying ACCN and SECN were available on ESPN plus but missed the kicker that renders it meaningless — that you must already have access through your carrier.

Sign up for a free trial tomorrow with Hulu, PsVue, or YouTube TV. That will get you through week 1

Appears we DISH subscribers may be OK after all. Here's hoping.

https://www.dish.com/programming/sports/...c/clemson/

(08-28-2019 08:08 PM)Don_Lightfoot Wrote:  Appears we DISH subscribers may be OK after all. Here's hoping.

https://www.dish.com/programming/sports/...c/clemson/

Sorry but DISH is still saying on Twitter that they’re not carrying ACCN.

LOL. Stewart Mandel, college football lead for The Athletic, just tweeted that he didn't realize he wasn't going to have the Clemson game tonight. Somehow he thought he would get it on the ESPN app, even though he doesn't get the ACC Network.

The vast majority of people who are going to be affected by this probably don't even know it yet. Be interesting to see if those people direct their anger (and their cancellations) at their carrier, or at the conference.

I was wrong, I thought they'd have near universal carriage by today. I thought they'd be willing to practically give it away if they had to. Obviously, either the ACC has bigger balls than that, or much more likely, ESPN was never going to let that happen.

(08-29-2019 02:45 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  LOL. Stewart Mandel, college football lead for The Athletic, just tweeted that he didn't realize he wasn't going to have the Clemson game tonight. Somehow he thought he would get it on the ESPN app, even though he doesn't get the ACC Network.

The vast majority of people who are going to be affected by this probably don't even know it yet. Be interesting to see if those people direct their anger (and their cancellations) at their carrier, or at the conference.

I was wrong, I thought they'd have near universal carriage by today. I thought they'd be willing to practically give it away if they had to. Obviously, either the ACC has bigger balls than that, or much more likely, ESPN was never going to let that happen.

When you know you don't know how to negotiate, you get someone else to do it for you...

Below are the major carriers who aren't on board the ACCN bus and the status of their carriage contracts with Disney. Please correct me if I've got anything wrong:
DISH -- Their contract with Disney is already up. They must be very near agreement or Disney would have already pulled the plug.
Comcast -- Their contract with Disney runs until 11/22. The say they're talking with Disney. We have no idea how serious the talks are.
ATT Uverse -- Signed a "long term deal" with Disney in 3/18. We don't know how long it is but it won't be up anytime soon. They say they're talking with Disney but we have no idea how serious the talks are. There have been rumors of "binding arbitration" but these are just rumors. If it were already known for sure that Uverse was going to carry ACCN, wouldn't it be in the best interests of both ATT and Disney for Uverse to start carrying ACCN now while arbitration sorted out the exact price tag? Still, since it was already known in 3/18 that the ACCN was coming, I can imagine a provision in the carriage contract providing for arbitration on the ACCN bill.
Cox -- Also signed a "long term" deal with Disney in 3/18. We don't know how long it is but it won't be up anytime soon. They say they're talking with Disney but we have no idea how serious the talks are. There have been no rumors about "binding arbitration" with Cox but if there's such a provision in the ATT Uverse contract, there might be one in the Cox contract which was signed at the same time.
Frontier -- I can't find anything about their carriage agreement with Disney. They have flatly announced they're not carrying ACCN. Of course, they could always change their minds.

(08-28-2019 08:40 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 08:08 PM)Don_Lightfoot Wrote:  Appears we DISH subscribers may be OK after all. Here's hoping.

https://www.dish.com/programming/sports/...c/clemson/

Sorry but DISH is still saying on Twitter that they’re not carrying ACCN.

Dish is still giving their same copy & past response. I confidence in Dish is low as they have several channels gone already, such as HBO/Cinemax & the Fox RSN’s. There are a lot of customers complaining about this on Twitter.


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(08-29-2019 03:08 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  Below are the major carriers who aren't on board the ACCN bus and the status of their carriage contracts with Disney. Please correct me if I've got anything wrong:
DISH -- Their contract with Disney is already up. They must be very near agreement or Disney would have already pulled the plug.
Comcast -- Their contract with Disney runs until 11/22. The say they're talking with Disney. We have no idea how serious the talks are.
ATT Uverse -- Signed a "long term deal" with Disney in 3/18. We don't know how long it is but it won't be up anytime soon. They say they're talking with Disney but we have no idea how serious the talks are. There have been rumors of "binding arbitration" but these are just rumors. If it were already known for sure that Uverse was going to carry ACCN, wouldn't it be in the best interests of both ATT and Disney for Uverse to start carrying ACCN now while arbitration sorted out the exact price tag? Still, since it was already known in 3/18 that the ACCN was coming, I can imagine a provision in the carriage contract providing for arbitration on the ACCN bill.
Cox -- Also signed a "long term" deal with Disney in 3/18. We don't know how long it is but it won't be up anytime soon. They say they're talking with Disney but we have no idea how serious the talks are. There have been no rumors about "binding arbitration" with Cox but if there's such a provision in the ATT Uverse contract, there might be one in the Cox contract which was signed at the same time.
Frontier -- I can't find anything about their carriage agreement with Disney. They have flatly announced they're not carrying ACCN. Of course, they could always change their minds.

Dish is kind of in a mess right now, they've also lost Fox RSNs (which have a lot of local pro sports) and I guess HBO. I don't know how far the ACCN is on their priority list.

Good points about the carriers that signed in 2018. Seems like ESPN should have some kind of plan in place there. The Altice deal was signed before that, and included the ACC Network. Wonder what the thinking was. If ESPN caved because they just couldn't get the ACC Network added, that's not a great sign for getting it now. That said, Cox is sure to tag every twitter response with the fact that they're actively negotiating to bring the channel. U-Verse's response has been a little more definitive about not carrying it.

Could be a long haul with some of these, if they don't see massive cancellations. I'm always dubious over whether threats to cancel actually materialize.

Ha, and now Dan Wolken tweets that he just now realized that his carrier didn't have the ACC Network.

(08-29-2019 04:08 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Now we know what Mandel and Wolken’s article will be about tomorrow...lol
I love it when the snobby sports guys, that are used to standing on the sidelines or being up in the press box eating free food, are treated like the great unwashed masses. Puts a bit smile on my face. I’m just wondering if one or both of them called their provider and gave them the “do you know who I am” speech.

I expect that the backlash is going to be against ESPN and the ACC for the network being a blatant cash grab which leaves fans in the lurch.

Which, to be totally fair, it 100% is. That's what we have all been demanding. But I expect a fair amount of blowback at the ACC and ESPN starting tomorrow. Once the narrative turned against the Pac 12 networks, they've never managed another credible step forward.

If it really comes down to that, ESPN and the ACC might cave. That's some bad mojo to get.

That said, the saving grace could ironically be that after tonight, there isn't anything nearly as compelling for the rest of the football season. This is the one game national people are likely going to wring their hands over. If they weather the blowback from this game, then ESPN/ACC might be fine waiting for time and expiring contracts to get the job done.

(08-29-2019 04:21 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  

(08-29-2019 04:08 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Now we know what Mandel and Wolken’s article will be about tomorrow...lol
I love it when the snobby sports guys, that are used to standing on the sidelines or being up in the press box eating free food, are treated like the great unwashed masses. Puts a bit smile on my face. I’m just wondering if one or both of them called their provider and gave them the “do you know who I am” speech.

I expect that the backlash is going to be against ESPN and the ACC for the network being a blatant cash grab which leaves fans in the lurch.

Which, to be totally fair, it 100% is. That's what we have all been demanding. But I expect a fair amount of blowback at the ACC and ESPN starting tomorrow. Once the narrative turned against the Pac 12 networks, they've never managed another credible step forward.

If it really comes down to that, ESPN and the ACC might cave. That's some bad mojo to get.

That said, the saving grace could ironically be that after tonight, there isn't anything nearly as compelling for the rest of the football season. This is the one game national people are likely going to wring their hands over. If they weather the blowback from this game, then ESPN/ACC might be fine waiting for time and expiring contracts to get the job done.

Yet isn't that true of the BTN and SECN also? And if those two started this arms race, how can it be the ACC's fault?

(08-29-2019 04:44 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-29-2019 04:21 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  

(08-29-2019 04:08 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Now we know what Mandel and Wolken’s article will be about tomorrow...lol
I love it when the snobby sports guys, that are used to standing on the sidelines or being up in the press box eating free food, are treated like the great unwashed masses. Puts a bit smile on my face. I’m just wondering if one or both of them called their provider and gave them the “do you know who I am” speech.

I expect that the backlash is going to be against ESPN and the ACC for the network being a blatant cash grab which leaves fans in the lurch.

Which, to be totally fair, it 100% is. That's what we have all been demanding. But I expect a fair amount of blowback at the ACC and ESPN starting tomorrow. Once the narrative turned against the Pac 12 networks, they've never managed another credible step forward.

If it really comes down to that, ESPN and the ACC might cave. That's some bad mojo to get.

That said, the saving grace could ironically be that after tonight, there isn't anything nearly as compelling for the rest of the football season. This is the one game national people are likely going to wring their hands over. If they weather the blowback from this game, then ESPN/ACC might be fine waiting for time and expiring contracts to get the job done.

Yet isn't that true of the BTN and SECN also? And if those two started this arms race, how can it be the ACC's fault?

It's not the ACC's fault.

**** ATT Uverse - I just bought Hulu for a week.

If you all think it's bad now, wait until late October/Early Novemember when Football and Basketball are in play. The bitiching will be monumental

(08-29-2019 03:02 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  When you know you don't know how to negotiate, you get someone else to do it for you...

Just ask Raycom ... Swofford is a terrific negotiator.

(08-29-2019 05:52 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(08-29-2019 03:02 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  When you know you don't know how to negotiate, you get someone else to do it for you...

Just ask Raycom ... Swofford is a terrific negotiator.

Twitter is saying ACCN is now on DISH channel 402! Talk about last minute!