https://theweek.com/articles/840979/what...ulture-war

Left's view of the culture wars going on now.

Actually readable, not a mindless rant as are most articles from the left having anything to do with these issues or President Trump these days.

"...This was a foolish misreading of Trumpism — though in my defense, this wasn't apparent during the primaries, when most intellectual social conservatives were drawn to Marco Rubio and the bulk of rank-and-file evangelicals and Mormons gravitated to Ted Cruz or Ben Carson. As long as the outcome of the primaries remained uncertain, the religious right stayed far away from the real estate mogul from New York City who had donated money to Planned Parenthood and done and said countless things to offend the sensibilities of social conservative voters.

But once Trump won the nomination, this changed quickly — and I was slow to realize what it portended for the future shape of American politics...."

Meh, more sour grapes, he had me until he decided to end his piece with a jab at the right. Everything he said, as well thought out and expressed as it was, was nullified by his closing two paragraphs. It's a set up for an excuse when Trump curb stomps them in 2020.

"Instead of aiming to divide and conquer, the Trumpian right seeks to divide and then divide some more — in the hope that doing so will keep its own voters maximally energized to vote and provoke the other side into overplaying its hand, rendering itself unappealing to the few who have yet to join a side.

The culture war hasn't ended under Trump. It has swallowed up everything else.".

Make no mistake - in my lifetime, the aggressors in the culture war have always been on the Left.

(05-14-2019 09:30 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Make no mistake - in my lifetime, the aggressors in the culture war have always been on the Left.

Yep 100%. The lefts attacks anything traditional, be that standing for the National Anthem, marriage, kids, nuclear family, etc. This is the loony lies here,

"The culture war was over, the left had won, and the GOP had now moved onto other things — like attacking immigrants, embracing protectionism, and cultivating ethnic nationalism."

Being against illegal immigration = attacking immigrants. The Dem leadership was against illegal immigration until Trump made it a hallmark of his campaign. Somehow MAGA = ethnic nationalism lol. The USA is most racially ethnically diverse country on Earth, so making the economy strong, creating new manufacturing in the USA is ethnic nationalism. NAFTA destroyed jobs here, and China has been killing us for in trade for years.

(05-14-2019 09:05 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Meh, more sour grapes, he had me until he decided to end his piece with a jab at the right. Everything he said, as well thought out and expressed as it was, was nullified by his closing two paragraphs. It's a set up for an excuse when Trump curb stomps them in 2020.

"Instead of aiming to divide and conquer, the Trumpian right seeks to divide and then divide some more — in the hope that doing so will keep its own voters maximally energized to vote and provoke the other side into overplaying its hand, rendering itself unappealing to the few who have yet to join a side.

The culture war hasn't ended under Trump. It has swallowed up everything else.".

Usually, you get the drivel in the first couple of sentences and then it gets continued. No doubt he had a strong leftist and anti-Trump and anti-Republican stance. But you could actually see thinking, not just an article regurgitating talking points. And he actually admitted, unlike you see from most of the left (including this site), that the evangelicals were NOT with Trump in the primaries.

(05-14-2019 09:30 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Make no mistake - in my lifetime, the aggressors in the culture war have always been on the Left.

I would put the war on drugs and 100s of new federal laws directed at fighting it as damaging as anything the left has done. It created a private system that is depended at keeping Americans in prison to fill beds. Not only at the federal level but it had a trickle down affect all the way to the small county jails. Which are no longer small. Which put pressure on state judges to hand out longer prison time and to jail more and more people. Everytime that judge sends someone to jail and fills that state or federal bed (in the county jail) money goes into the county funds...

Trickledown economics

BTW I didn't read the article

I just want to understand why any conservative gets branded with the Nazi/white supremacist opprobrium, no matter how much or how hard he/she denies it, but any leftist can embrace communists/socialists without being painted with that brush.

My father and his generation fought and won a world war against the swastika. My generation and I fought and won a Cold War against the hammer and sickle. I reject both, and I don't care to forfeit either of those victories by crawling in bed with either group of extremists.

(05-14-2019 05:21 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I just want to understand why any conservative gets branded with the Nazi/white supremacist opprobrium, no matter how much or how hard he/she denies it, but any leftist can embrace communists/socialists without being painted with that brush.

My father and his generation fought and won a world war against the swastika. My generation and I fought and won a Cold War against the hammer and sickle. I reject both, and I don't care to forfeit either of those victories by crawling in bed with either group of extremists.

The only real reason I come up with for it is the conservatives are legitimately offended by the Nazi/white supremacy label, while the leftists openly embrace their socialist and communist labels.

It’s like calling the fattest kid on the playground fat: he doesn’t care because he knows who and what he is. Eventually, everyone stops calling him fat, because it doesn’t get a rise out of him. So they find some other socially awkward kid and start calling his mama fat.

That, then, is the weakness of conservatives: their pride in their beliefs and accomplishments becomes their undoing.

(05-14-2019 02:52 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 09:30 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Make no mistake - in my lifetime, the aggressors in the culture war have always been on the Left.

I would put the war on drugs and 100s of new federal laws directed at fighting it as damaging as anything the left has done. It created a private system that is depended at keeping Americans in prison to fill beds. Not only at the federal level but it had a trickle down affect all the way to the small county jails. Which are no longer small. Which put pressure on state judges to hand out longer prison time and to jail more and more people. Everytime that judge sends someone to jail and fills that state or federal bed (in the county jail) money goes into the county funds...

Trickledown economics

BTW I didn't read the article

That's not a culture war. That's a war on crime.

(05-14-2019 02:52 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  I would put the war on drugs and 100s of new federal laws directed at fighting it as damaging as anything the left has done. It created a private system that is depended at keeping Americans in prison to fill beds. Not only at the federal level but it had a trickle down affect all the way to the small county jails. Which are no longer small. Which put pressure on state judges to hand out longer prison time and to jail more and more people. Everytime that judge sends someone to jail and fills that state or federal bed (in the county jail) money goes into the county funds...

I think you're on the right track here. If we did like Portugal and decriminalized drugs, I think we'd save money and have fewer problems. Just like they have done.

(05-14-2019 08:45 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 02:52 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 09:30 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Make no mistake - in my lifetime, the aggressors in the culture war have always been on the Left.

I would put the war on drugs and 100s of new federal laws directed at fighting it as damaging as anything the left has done. It created a private system that is depended at keeping Americans in prison to fill beds. Not only at the federal level but it had a trickle down affect all the way to the small county jails. Which are no longer small. Which put pressure on state judges to hand out longer prison time and to jail more and more people. Everytime that judge sends someone to jail and fills that state or federal bed (in the county jail) money goes into the county funds...

Trickledown economics

BTW I didn't read the article

That's not a culture war. That's a war on crime.

Wrong it was/is a war on making addicts into criminals. Then building a system that needs feeding with bodies to fill beds even 40 years later.

(05-14-2019 11:00 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 08:45 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 02:52 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 09:30 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Make no mistake - in my lifetime, the aggressors in the culture war have always been on the Left.

I would put the war on drugs and 100s of new federal laws directed at fighting it as damaging as anything the left has done. It created a private system that is depended at keeping Americans in prison to fill beds. Not only at the federal level but it had a trickle down affect all the way to the small county jails. Which are no longer small. Which put pressure on state judges to hand out longer prison time and to jail more and more people. Everytime that judge sends someone to jail and fills that state or federal bed (in the county jail) money goes into the county funds...

Trickledown economics

BTW I didn't read the article

That's not a culture war. That's a war on crime.

Wrong it was/is a war on making addicts into criminals. Then building a system that needs feeding with bodies to fill beds even 40 years later.

Addicts were criminals to feed their addiction. Thus, the war on drugs. Regardless of whether you think its a good choice, it had nothing to do with culture (the topic of this thread) and everything to do with people's safety.