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Colley Matrix Revokes UCF’s National Title
Quote:ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — The NCAA officially lists the University of Central Florida as co-national champions on page 115 of its 2018 record book.

That publication might require an addendum.

Dr. Wes Colley, designer of the Colley Matrix rankings employed by the now-defunct Bowl Championship Series (BCS), announced Saturday the dissolution of Colley Matrix.

Dr. Colley, a Princeton alumnus, noted an ultimatum received from the NCAA: rewrite the formula or face the pinkslip.

“They want something more modern,” says Dr. Colley.

“They said my methodologies relied too heavily on wins and losses and didn’t isolate strength of schedule enough.”

The NCAA has allowed Dr. Colley the opportunity to recognize his rankings under a rebranding with one caveat: rewrite the formula with increased emphasis on efficiency.

“I feel indebted to the NCAA to continue this partnership,” a relieved Dr. Colley exhales.

The ramifications extend beyond ink on paper or the man behind a computer.

The NCAA has extended written notice to the University of Central Florida to cease all National Champions branding and remove 2017 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS decor coating Spectrum Stadium.

[Image: os-1542335068-op19pelp4d-snap-image]
An image frozen in time of “2017 National Champions” signage UCF is now obligated to remove per NCAA by-laws

UCF Director of Athletics Danny White could not be reached for comment.

University of Florida AD Scott Stricklin could.

“Our initial position was to offer UCF a 2-for-1 to depict the national titles of each proud program in the 21st Century,” said Stricklin.

“That offer is now a 2-for-0.”
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Wasn't April 1st like 6 weeks ago?
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Yeah, lets change the rules after the fact, When they tell Alabama to quit claiming the 10 titles they didn't win, and the same for another 10 or more schools than talk to UCF otherwise shut the hell up.
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(05-12-2019 06:36 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Wasn't April 1st like 6 weeks ago?

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(05-12-2019 08:50 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Yeah, lets change the rules after the fact ...

The only "rules" that were changed "after the fact" in this situation was by the editors of the NCAA rule book, which included UCF as having been selected by CM as a 2017 champ only after pressure and hounding from UCF fans. Previously, the NCAA rule book had not mentioned anyone but the CFP champion or BCS champ since 2007 when the BCS created a separate title game, as evidenced by the fact that neither 2012 Notre Dame, nor 2016 Alabama, both of which had been #1 in CM their years, were listed in any of the books until UCF was listed in 2017. Then in the 2018 book they retroactively listed ND 2012 and Alabama 2016 to justify including UCF 2017. Made up after the fact.

The whole thing was a UCF propaganda campaign, and the NCAA editors bought it.

Beyond that, UCF did not win any kind of NCAA-sanctioned "national title" because that book merely lists who finished #1 in about 20 "major selectors", the NCAA doesn't endorse anyone as a national champion as the NCAA does not sponsor any such champion in FBS.

And even if the NCAA did sanction UCF as a national champion, it is meaningless, because FBS conferences reject the NCAA as an arbiter of that. They have their own system for doing so.

Sheesh!
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Did the NCAA really need to do this?

Does anyone really believe that UCF won the national championship? Who sincerely believes that?

This is completely unnecessary, IMHO.
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(05-12-2019 08:50 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Yeah, lets change the rules after the fact, When they tell Alabama to quit claiming the 10 titles they didn't win, and the same for another 10 or more schools than talk to UCF otherwise shut the hell up.

(05-12-2019 09:34 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Did the NCAA really need to do this?

Does anyone really believe that UCF won the national championship? Who sincerely believes that?

This is completely unnecessary, IMHO.

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Well done Colley Matrix
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Quote:University of Florida AD Scott Stricklin could.

“Our initial position was to offer UCF a 2-for-1 to depict the national titles of each proud program in the 21st Century,” said Stricklin.

“That offer is now a 2-for-0.”


Cheeky. I'd add Mr. Stricklin sweetens his coffee with Angostura.
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Hahahahahaha get a life
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It's quite simple... we don't have a legitimate NC. We had a 2, and now 4, team tournament. So long as 'selection' is involved, and not everyone has a pathway, it's ridiculously subjective. You can't 'select' in teams for a playoff. By definition, that is not what a playoff is...

If the P5 distill down to 4 and separate, it can be a playoff. If they expand it to all FBS conference champs, it's a playoff. Just look at how MLB, NFL, etc playoffs happen... the regular season is actually the first part of the playoff. You don't have that in NCAAFB, when a team can be undefeated for 2 seasons and still not be 'selected'.

Given we don't have a real playoff, leading to a situation where an undefeated UCF could beat Auburn in a NY6 bowl, and Auburn beat BOTH 'playoff' teams... yeah, you have a real strong argument that UCF was the best team in the country. Relying on the fact that some committee kept them off the field is a real weak argument.

And this is coming from a USF fan...
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(05-12-2019 11:54 AM)Bull Wrote:  Given we don't have a real playoff, leading to a situation where an undefeated UCF could beat Auburn in a NY6 bowl, and Auburn beat BOTH 'playoff' teams... yeah, you have a real strong argument that UCF was the best team in the country.

No, that's a very weak argument. Which is why basically nobody made it. The CFP didn't, the coaches didn't (heck, there were six AAC coaches in the coach's poll, and all of them voted Alabama #1, none of them had UCF higher than #4), the AP reporters didn't, and the Massey Composite of 100 computers didn't, they had UCF at #7 in the final tally.

And it's pretty simple why - beating Auburn didn't prove much, as Auburn was a 3-loss team that didn't even win their conference - and that was before UCF made them a 4-loss team. Auburn beat Georgia and Alabama? So what. Georgia also beat Auburn (UCF fans seem to forget that part). Also, LSU beat Auburn (who beat Georgia and Alabama!), and that doesn't make LSU the national champion either. Clemson beat Auburn (who beat Georgia and Alabama!), but that doesn't make them national champs either.

In fact, Alabama played THREE teams that year who beat Auburn (who beat Georgia and Alabama!) and guess what? Alabama beat all three of them! They beat Georgia, LSU, and Clemson.

Dumbest argument ever. 07-coffee3

As for your philosophical point about the nature of playoffs, I guess you would agree that Virginia isn't the real NCAA basketball champion, because they were selected for the NCAA tournament playoffs, they didn't win their way in automatically?

Remember, "automatic" isn't really "objective". It just means people have pre-selected criteria for choosing the playoff teams. It doesn't mean that pre-selected criteria makes any sense. In fact, all sports leagues have, at the bottom of all the arbitrary tie-breakers they have for picking playoff teams, a coin flip, which is purely random and hence nonsensical.

We can think of a lot of post-season selection methods for playoffs that are much more rational than pre-selection criteria are. College football is particularly ill-suited for the use of pre-selection criteria, like winning your conference, because the conferences themselves are poorly structured to pick a valid champ, and OOC games are, and must be, ignored.
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I'll agree to extend the playoff and have several autobids out of the G5 (and even a clause for a mandatory at large if some fluke happens where each G5 produces an undefeated champion, provided they didn't schedule a bunch of FCS and cellar teams OOC). In exchange, everybody has to agree to revoke Colorado's "share" of the 1990 NC. 04-deal
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(05-12-2019 06:36 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Wasn't April 1st like 6 weeks ago?

This ^.
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(05-12-2019 08:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-12-2019 08:50 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Yeah, lets change the rules after the fact ...

The only "rules" that were changed "after the fact" in this situation was by the editors of the NCAA rule book, which included UCF as having been selected by CM as a 2017 champ only after pressure and hounding from UCF fans. Previously, the NCAA rule book had not mentioned anyone but the CFP champion or BCS champ since 2007 when the BCS created a separate title game, as evidenced by the fact that neither 2012 Notre Dame, nor 2016 Alabama, both of which had been #1 in CM their years, were listed in any of the books until UCF was listed in 2017. Then in the 2018 book they retroactively listed ND 2012 and Alabama 2016 to justify including UCF 2017. Made up after the fact.

The whole thing was a UCF propaganda campaign, and the NCAA editors bought it.

Beyond that, UCF did not win any kind of NCAA-sanctioned "national title" because that book merely lists who finished #1 in about 20 "major selectors", the NCAA doesn't endorse anyone as a national champion as the NCAA does not sponsor any such champion in FBS.

And even if the NCAA did sanction UCF as a national champion, it is meaningless, because FBS conferences reject the NCAA as an arbiter of that. They have their own system for doing so.

Sheesh!

Get over your jealousy. UCF just did the same thing half a dozen SEC schools do. I just laugh at Tennessee claiming every national title before 1970 that Alabama didn't claim.04-cheers
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(05-12-2019 09:34 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Did the NCAA really need to do this?

Does anyone really believe that UCF won the national championship? Who sincerely believes that?

This is completely unnecessary, IMHO.

Who believes the OP wasn't trolling?

Note that there is no link.
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(05-12-2019 01:08 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-12-2019 08:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-12-2019 08:50 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Yeah, lets change the rules after the fact ...

The only "rules" that were changed "after the fact" in this situation was by the editors of the NCAA rule book, which included UCF as having been selected by CM as a 2017 champ only after pressure and hounding from UCF fans. Previously, the NCAA rule book had not mentioned anyone but the CFP champion or BCS champ since 2007 when the BCS created a separate title game, as evidenced by the fact that neither 2012 Notre Dame, nor 2016 Alabama, both of which had been #1 in CM their years, were listed in any of the books until UCF was listed in 2017. Then in the 2018 book they retroactively listed ND 2012 and Alabama 2016 to justify including UCF 2017. Made up after the fact.

The whole thing was a UCF propaganda campaign, and the NCAA editors bought it.

Beyond that, UCF did not win any kind of NCAA-sanctioned "national title" because that book merely lists who finished #1 in about 20 "major selectors", the NCAA doesn't endorse anyone as a national champion as the NCAA does not sponsor any such champion in FBS.

And even if the NCAA did sanction UCF as a national champion, it is meaningless, because FBS conferences reject the NCAA as an arbiter of that. They have their own system for doing so.

Sheesh!

Get over your jealousy.

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(05-12-2019 11:54 AM)Bull Wrote:  It's quite simple... we don't have a legitimate NC. We had a 2, and now 4, team tournament. So long as 'selection' is involved, and not everyone has a pathway, it's ridiculously subjective. You can't 'select' in teams for a playoff. By definition, that is not what a playoff is...

If the P5 distill down to 4 and separate, it can be a playoff. If they expand it to all FBS conference champs, it's a playoff. Just look at how MLB, NFL, etc playoffs happen... the regular season is actually the first part of the playoff. You don't have that in NCAAFB, when a team can be undefeated for 2 seasons and still not be 'selected'.

Given we don't have a real playoff, leading to a situation where an undefeated UCF could beat Auburn in a NY6 bowl, and Auburn beat BOTH 'playoff' teams... yeah, you have a real strong argument that UCF was the best team in the country. Relying on the fact that some committee kept them off the field is a real weak argument.

And this is coming from a USF fan...

So you want a 130 team tournament? Makes sense to anyone who hasn't watched or played one second of football.
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(05-12-2019 01:08 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-12-2019 08:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-12-2019 08:50 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Yeah, lets change the rules after the fact ...

The only "rules" that were changed "after the fact" in this situation was by the editors of the NCAA rule book, which included UCF as having been selected by CM as a 2017 champ only after pressure and hounding from UCF fans. Previously, the NCAA rule book had not mentioned anyone but the CFP champion or BCS champ since 2007 when the BCS created a separate title game, as evidenced by the fact that neither 2012 Notre Dame, nor 2016 Alabama, both of which had been #1 in CM their years, were listed in any of the books until UCF was listed in 2017. Then in the 2018 book they retroactively listed ND 2012 and Alabama 2016 to justify including UCF 2017. Made up after the fact.

The whole thing was a UCF propaganda campaign, and the NCAA editors bought it.

Beyond that, UCF did not win any kind of NCAA-sanctioned "national title" because that book merely lists who finished #1 in about 20 "major selectors", the NCAA doesn't endorse anyone as a national champion as the NCAA does not sponsor any such champion in FBS.

And even if the NCAA did sanction UCF as a national champion, it is meaningless, because FBS conferences reject the NCAA as an arbiter of that. They have their own system for doing so.

Sheesh!

Get over your jealousy. UCF just did the same thing half a dozen SEC schools do. I just laugh at Tennessee claiming every national title before 1970 that Alabama didn't claim.04-cheers

Just like UCF, those schools can claim whatever they please, no one other than them acknowledges those claims.
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(05-12-2019 12:07 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-12-2019 11:54 AM)Bull Wrote:  Given we don't have a real playoff, leading to a situation where an undefeated UCF could beat Auburn in a NY6 bowl, and Auburn beat BOTH 'playoff' teams... yeah, you have a real strong argument that UCF was the best team in the country.

No, that's a very weak argument. Which is why basically nobody made it. The CFP didn't, the coaches didn't (heck, there were six AAC coaches in the coach's poll, and all of them voted Alabama #1, none of them had UCF higher than #4), the AP reporters didn't, and the Massey Composite of 100 computers didn't, they had UCF at #7 in the final tally.

And it's pretty simple why - beating Auburn didn't prove much, as Auburn was a 3-loss team that didn't even win their conference - and that was before UCF made them a 4-loss team. Auburn beat Georgia and Alabama? So what. Georgia also beat Auburn (UCF fans seem to forget that part). Also, LSU beat Auburn (who beat Georgia and Alabama!), and that doesn't make LSU the national champion either. Clemson beat Auburn (who beat Georgia and Alabama!), but that doesn't make them national champs either.

In fact, Alabama played THREE teams that year who beat Auburn (who beat Georgia and Alabama!) and guess what? Alabama beat all three of them! They beat Georgia, LSU, and Clemson.

Dumbest argument ever. 07-coffee3

As for your philosophical point about the nature of playoffs, I guess you would agree that Virginia isn't the real NCAA basketball champion, because they were selected for the NCAA tournament playoffs, they didn't win their way in automatically?

Remember, "automatic" isn't really "objective". It just means people have pre-selected criteria for choosing the playoff teams. It doesn't mean that pre-selected criteria makes any sense. In fact, all sports leagues have, at the bottom of all the arbitrary tie-breakers they have for picking playoff teams, a coin flip, which is purely random and hence nonsensical.

We can think of a lot of post-season selection methods for playoffs that are much more rational than pre-selection criteria are. College football is particularly ill-suited for the use of pre-selection criteria, like winning your conference, because the conferences themselves are poorly structured to pick a valid champ, and OOC games are, and must be, ignored.

You ignored my main points and dipped down to insults. That's beneath you Quo.

Bottom line, like it or not, it's not a REAL playoff.
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