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RE: Colley Matrix Revokes UCF’s National Title
(05-12-2019 01:33 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  
(05-12-2019 11:54 AM)Bull Wrote:  It's quite simple... we don't have a legitimate NC. We had a 2, and now 4, team tournament. So long as 'selection' is involved, and not everyone has a pathway, it's ridiculously subjective. You can't 'select' in teams for a playoff. By definition, that is not what a playoff is...

If the P5 distill down to 4 and separate, it can be a playoff. If they expand it to all FBS conference champs, it's a playoff. Just look at how MLB, NFL, etc playoffs happen... the regular season is actually the first part of the playoff. You don't have that in NCAAFB, when a team can be undefeated for 2 seasons and still not be 'selected'.

Given we don't have a real playoff, leading to a situation where an undefeated UCF could beat Auburn in a NY6 bowl, and Auburn beat BOTH 'playoff' teams... yeah, you have a real strong argument that UCF was the best team in the country. Relying on the fact that some committee kept them off the field is a real weak argument.

And this is coming from a USF fan...

So you want a 130 team tournament? Makes sense to anyone who hasn't watched or played one second of football.

Don't put words in my mouth, I didn't say that. But everyone knows how to easily make this a real playoff, give everyone a pathway. Making the arbitrary selectees to the tourn from 2 to 4 schools did NOTHING to make it a real playoff. 5 'P5' champs, 1 bid for the G5, 2 at large. Done. Everyone has a pathway and no more nonsense. Didn't take 130 teams did it? 03-lmfao
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This will be the issue of the day for many years for fans of G5 programs.

The rest of college football never thought UCF won't a NC in the first place and have certainly moved on to bigger and better things.
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UCF is the true champs, not Alabama who lost to Auburn. SEC have schedule more cupcake games than UCF did.
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(05-12-2019 02:32 PM)Bull Wrote:  
(05-12-2019 01:33 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  
(05-12-2019 11:54 AM)Bull Wrote:  It's quite simple... we don't have a legitimate NC. We had a 2, and now 4, team tournament. So long as 'selection' is involved, and not everyone has a pathway, it's ridiculously subjective. You can't 'select' in teams for a playoff. By definition, that is not what a playoff is...

If the P5 distill down to 4 and separate, it can be a playoff. If they expand it to all FBS conference champs, it's a playoff. Just look at how MLB, NFL, etc playoffs happen... the regular season is actually the first part of the playoff. You don't have that in NCAAFB, when a team can be undefeated for 2 seasons and still not be 'selected'.

Given we don't have a real playoff, leading to a situation where an undefeated UCF could beat Auburn in a NY6 bowl, and Auburn beat BOTH 'playoff' teams... yeah, you have a real strong argument that UCF was the best team in the country. Relying on the fact that some committee kept them off the field is a real weak argument.

And this is coming from a USF fan...

So you want a 130 team tournament? Makes sense to anyone who hasn't watched or played one second of football.

Don't put words in my mouth, I didn't say that. But everyone knows how to easily make this a real playoff, give everyone a pathway. Making the arbitrary selectees to the tourn from 2 to 4 schools did NOTHING to make it a real playoff. 5 'P5' champs, 1 bid for the G5, 2 at large. Done. Everyone has a pathway and no more nonsense. Didn't take 130 teams did it? 03-lmfao

The G5 doesn't have a pathway in that 5-1-2 scenario, the top G5 will be chosen by what you would call beauty-contest standards like all the CFP teams are now. But, what makes that beauty contest peculiar, and appealing to the G5, is that it is a beauty contest in which all the prettiest girls have been prevented from competing, giving homely ones a chance to win!

That's the problem with it. Think about say the NFL playoffs: In that system, the NFC East teams are shielded from competition from everyone else. That is, if you are the Giants, you know that if you win your division vs the Redskins, Eagles, and Cowboys, you make the playoffs no matter what anyone in any other division does.

This makes sense, because on average and over time, the NFC east teams are structurally equal to the teams in all the other divisions. They draft the same players, have the same revenue, same fan interest, etc. They are fundamentally equals despite the vagaries of who happens to be winning or losing at any given time. That works in reverse as well, which is why it makes sense that the AFC West is similarly shielded from what happens in any other division - win the AFC West and you are in the playoffs.

But FBS isn't that way, precisely because it was never organized to BE that way, like the NFL was (and the NBA was and the NHL was, etc.). "FBS" is just a catch-all for the conferences that did NOT want a formal organized playoffs. Nothing else links the conferences.

Importantly, this means there are fundamental structural differences among them. Unlike say the AFC West and NFC East, the SEC and Sun Belt are in no way 'peers'. They don't have the same revenue, recruit the same players, have the same fan interest, etc.

Therefore, it makes NO sense to structure playoffs in a way that shields the Sun Belt from what happens in the SEC. To the contrary, Sun Belt teams should have to be compared to SEC teams to determine if they belong in the playoffs. The same is true of all the G5 conferences.

To me, the big mistake that those who clamor for a conference-champs playoffs is arguing that "FBS" means that all those schools and conferences are in some way "peers" such that they should all be competing for the same championship. But FBS was never designed to be that way, and in fact it is NOT that way, as the obvious differences among the conferences attests.

If that point keeps getting pushed, the only sensible way to accomodate it is by a split - the P5 have their own playoffs to determine their champ and the G5 have their own to determine their champ. We already have a formal NCAA basis for this split - the autonomy and non-autonomy subdivisions within FBS. Because the P5 and G5 conferences are, within themselves, "peers" in the sense that divisions within the NFL and NHL are peers.

As it stands, though, it is simply ludicrous for e.g. a fan of an MWC or Sun Belt team to claim that because their school didn't have a path to a playoff, that the CFP winner is not a "real" national champ. Alabama isn't competing with Arkansas State or San Jose State, so it doesn't need their approval to be champs. Neither does Clemson, Ohio State, etc.

That's like the FCS champ saying that because they didn't get a chance to play Clemson in the playoffs, that Clemson isn't the real champs either. It's just bonkers.
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(05-12-2019 02:28 PM)Bull Wrote:  
(05-12-2019 12:07 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-12-2019 11:54 AM)Bull Wrote:  Given we don't have a real playoff, leading to a situation where an undefeated UCF could beat Auburn in a NY6 bowl, and Auburn beat BOTH 'playoff' teams... yeah, you have a real strong argument that UCF was the best team in the country.

No, that's a very weak argument. Which is why basically nobody made it. The CFP didn't, the coaches didn't (heck, there were six AAC coaches in the coach's poll, and all of them voted Alabama #1, none of them had UCF higher than #4), the AP reporters didn't, and the Massey Composite of 100 computers didn't, they had UCF at #7 in the final tally.

And it's pretty simple why - beating Auburn didn't prove much, as Auburn was a 3-loss team that didn't even win their conference - and that was before UCF made them a 4-loss team. Auburn beat Georgia and Alabama? So what. Georgia also beat Auburn (UCF fans seem to forget that part). Also, LSU beat Auburn (who beat Georgia and Alabama!), and that doesn't make LSU the national champion either. Clemson beat Auburn (who beat Georgia and Alabama!), but that doesn't make them national champs either.

In fact, Alabama played THREE teams that year who beat Auburn (who beat Georgia and Alabama!) and guess what? Alabama beat all three of them! They beat Georgia, LSU, and Clemson.

Dumbest argument ever. 07-coffee3

As for your philosophical point about the nature of playoffs, I guess you would agree that Virginia isn't the real NCAA basketball champion, because they were selected for the NCAA tournament playoffs, they didn't win their way in automatically?

Remember, "automatic" isn't really "objective". It just means people have pre-selected criteria for choosing the playoff teams. It doesn't mean that pre-selected criteria makes any sense. In fact, all sports leagues have, at the bottom of all the arbitrary tie-breakers they have for picking playoff teams, a coin flip, which is purely random and hence nonsensical.

We can think of a lot of post-season selection methods for playoffs that are much more rational than pre-selection criteria are. College football is particularly ill-suited for the use of pre-selection criteria, like winning your conference, because the conferences themselves are poorly structured to pick a valid champ, and OOC games are, and must be, ignored.

You ignored my main points and dipped down to insults. That's beneath you Quo.

Bottom line, like it or not, it's not a REAL playoff.

Name the main points i missed, because it wasn't intentional. I'll gladly address them.
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(05-12-2019 12:34 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  I'll agree to extend the playoff and have several autobids out of the G5 (and even a clause for a mandatory at large if some fluke happens where each G5 produces an undefeated champion, provided they didn't schedule a bunch of FCS and cellar teams OOC). In exchange, everybody has to agree to revoke Colorado's "share" of the 1990 NC. 04-deal

Let’s do one better: no nc’s at all until the ncaa itself approves one for FBS.? The schools themselves have to rebrand all of their championships for football.
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For the record, I am with the fans of UCF and other G5 schools on this. Until you create a viable pathway for everyone to have a legitimate chance to win a national championship, I think you could certainly make a very sound argument that college football has never crowned a legitimate champion.

I know that rankles a lot of people and I understand why. However, it’s the only sport in the world where approximately half the participants are essentially ineligible for the championship before the season begins. There is just no defending that absurd set up.

I did not believe you could create a true national championship under any of the old systems and frankly, I still don’t think that’s possible under the current set up either.

It is very possible that UCF could’ve played with anyone two years ago. Why couldn’t they? Of course they could’ve beaten anyone. Do I think they were as good or better than the likes of Clemson, Alabama, etc.? No, I don’t think that at all. However, I absolutely do think they deserved the chance to prove it.

That’s why when people talk about expanding the playoff to 8 or even 16 teams, I’m a little leery of that as the solution unless it also includes auto-bids.

I think the number one issue I have with college football is the inherent subjectivity that comes along with it. We are regularly told that Team A is the greatest team of all-time and no one can touch them and it’s ridiculous to think otherwise. Then Team A gets dumped and sometime they get curb-stomped.

Now, what are we supposed to think?

Last year, all year long, we were assured by every expert in the business that it was Alabama and everyone else. Then, Alabama played Clemson and was basically sodomized on live television. Is there anyone who saw that game who seriously came away thinking that if they played again Alabama would beat Clemson? I sure did not. I saw a total mismatch up front involving Alabama’s OL and Clemson‘s DL. They could play 20 times and that mismatch would still be problematic for the Tide. I don’t know if it would be 44-16 or whatever it was, but Clemson was unquestionably better than Alabama was last year.

However, the only way we know that now is because we saw them actually play. In the old days, those two teams would not have played. Clemson would have beaten Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl and Alabama would have beaten up on some independent in the Sugar Bowl and everyone would I have convinced themselves that Alabama was definitely better than Clemson and that there was no doubt about that.

Clearly, there was some doubt about that.

It’s the same argument now – only the goal posts have moved. Personally, I think it is very obvious that UCF in 2017 could have beaten anyone on any given day. That was a really good football team. Now, do I think they would have beaten Alabama that year? No, honestly, I don’t. I think Alabama’s defensive line would’ve given them too much trouble and that would’ve bogged down that entire offense. However, that is just a working theory and I would’ve liked to have actually seen it.

I think you have to go at least eight teams with auto-bids for the five major league champions and at least one bid for any G5 champion ranked in the top 20. I think the tournament should always have a representative from the underclass of college football. It will make for a more interesting event and it will add more legitimacy to the process.
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It’s the only sport that pretends 2 separate divisions are one unified division

But the G5 want to keep this record keeping fiction in place as much as the P5 do because it’s mutually beneficial. Ohio State gets to count victories against Bowling Green toward bowl eligibility and Bowling Green gets to tell prospective students and athletes they’re in the same division as Ohio State.

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(05-11-2019 09:59 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
Quote:ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — The NCAA officially lists the University of Central Florida as co-national champions on page 115 of its 2018 record book.

That publication might require an addendum.

Dr. Wes Colley, designer of the Colley Matrix rankings employed by the now-defunct Bowl Championship Series (BCS), announced Saturday the dissolution of Colley Matrix.

Dr. Colley, a Princeton alumnus, noted an ultimatum received from the NCAA: rewrite the formula or face the pinkslip.

“They want something more modern,” says Dr. Colley.

“They said my methodologies relied too heavily on wins and losses and didn’t isolate strength of schedule enough.”

The NCAA has allowed Dr. Colley the opportunity to recognize his rankings under a rebranding with one caveat: rewrite the formula with increased emphasis on efficiency.

“I feel indebted to the NCAA to continue this partnership,” a relieved Dr. Colley exhales.

The ramifications extend beyond ink on paper or the man behind a computer.

The NCAA has extended written notice to the University of Central Florida to cease all National Champions branding and remove 2017 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS decor coating Spectrum Stadium.

[Image: os-1542335068-op19pelp4d-snap-image]
An image frozen in time of “2017 National Champions” signage UCF is now obligated to remove per NCAA by-laws

UCF Director of Athletics Danny White could not be reached for comment.

University of Florida AD Scott Stricklin could.

“Our initial position was to offer UCF a 2-for-1 to depict the national titles of each proud program in the 21st Century,” said Stricklin.

“That offer is now a 2-for-0.”

Excellent. Let the NCAA sue. They would literally walk right into a back door antitrust suit. Are we also negating every BCS championship that used teams selected by a formula that included the matrix. This is among the dumbest things the NCAA has ever done. They should have just quietly changed the matrix and left it at that if that was what they wanted. Changing it because it didn’t give you the answer the CFP Committee wanted is pretty bass akwards.
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(05-12-2019 07:54 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-11-2019 09:59 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
Quote:ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — The NCAA officially lists the University of Central Florida as co-national champions on page 115 of its 2018 record book.

That publication might require an addendum.

Dr. Wes Colley, designer of the Colley Matrix rankings employed by the now-defunct Bowl Championship Series (BCS), announced Saturday the dissolution of Colley Matrix.

Dr. Colley, a Princeton alumnus, noted an ultimatum received from the NCAA: rewrite the formula or face the pinkslip.

“They want something more modern,” says Dr. Colley.

“They said my methodologies relied too heavily on wins and losses and didn’t isolate strength of schedule enough.”

The NCAA has allowed Dr. Colley the opportunity to recognize his rankings under a rebranding with one caveat: rewrite the formula with increased emphasis on efficiency.

“I feel indebted to the NCAA to continue this partnership,” a relieved Dr. Colley exhales.

The ramifications extend beyond ink on paper or the man behind a computer.

The NCAA has extended written notice to the University of Central Florida to cease all National Champions branding and remove 2017 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS decor coating Spectrum Stadium.

[Image: os-1542335068-op19pelp4d-snap-image]
An image frozen in time of “2017 National Champions” signage UCF is now obligated to remove per NCAA by-laws

UCF Director of Athletics Danny White could not be reached for comment.

University of Florida AD Scott Stricklin could.

“Our initial position was to offer UCF a 2-for-1 to depict the national titles of each proud program in the 21st Century,” said Stricklin.

“That offer is now a 2-for-0.”

Excellent. Let the NCAA sue. They would literally walk right into a back door antitrust suit. Are we also negating every BCS championship that used teams selected by a formula that included the matrix. This is among the dumbest things the NCAA has ever done. They should have just quietly changed the matrix and left it at that if that was what they wanted. Changing it because it didn’t give you the answer the CFP Committee wanted is pretty bass akwards.

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(05-12-2019 07:54 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-11-2019 09:59 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
Quote:ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — The NCAA officially lists the University of Central Florida as co-national champions on page 115 of its 2018 record book.

That publication might require an addendum.

Dr. Wes Colley, designer of the Colley Matrix rankings employed by the now-defunct Bowl Championship Series (BCS), announced Saturday the dissolution of Colley Matrix.

Dr. Colley, a Princeton alumnus, noted an ultimatum received from the NCAA: rewrite the formula or face the pinkslip.

“They want something more modern,” says Dr. Colley.

“They said my methodologies relied too heavily on wins and losses and didn’t isolate strength of schedule enough.”

The NCAA has allowed Dr. Colley the opportunity to recognize his rankings under a rebranding with one caveat: rewrite the formula with increased emphasis on efficiency.

“I feel indebted to the NCAA to continue this partnership,” a relieved Dr. Colley exhales.

The ramifications extend beyond ink on paper or the man behind a computer.

The NCAA has extended written notice to the University of Central Florida to cease all National Champions branding and remove 2017 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS decor coating Spectrum Stadium.

[Image: os-1542335068-op19pelp4d-snap-image]
An image frozen in time of “2017 National Champions” signage UCF is now obligated to remove per NCAA by-laws

UCF Director of Athletics Danny White could not be reached for comment.

University of Florida AD Scott Stricklin could.

“Our initial position was to offer UCF a 2-for-1 to depict the national titles of each proud program in the 21st Century,” said Stricklin.

“That offer is now a 2-for-0.”

Excellent. Let the NCAA sue. They would literally walk right into a back door antitrust suit. Are we also negating every BCS championship that used teams selected by a formula that included the matrix. This is among the dumbest things the NCAA has ever done. They should have just quietly changed the matrix and left it at that if that was what they wanted. Changing it because it didn’t give you the answer the CFP Committee wanted is pretty bass akwards.

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The current system is still flawed. 5-1-2 isn't perfect but it fixes a whole lot.
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(05-12-2019 07:24 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I know that rankles a lot of people and I understand why. However, it’s the only sport in the world where approximately half the participants are essentially ineligible for the championship before the season begins. There is just no defending that absurd set up.

FBS was not designed to be a group of 'participants' competing via a playoff for a national championship. So the setup is completely rational and comports with the mission of the division, which was *anti* playoff from the word Go. FBS was organized to be the division of schools and conferences that did NOT want to have a formal, organized NCAA playoff system to choose a champion.

That's why schools are allowed to join FBS by meeting minimum NCAA standards like having 15,000 attendance.

If FBS had been organized as a "league" designed to choose a champion from a set of peers via a playoff system, only about half of the conferences - the P5 conferences - would have been allowed to join it to begin with.

So it is absurd to say that because Arkansas State or San Jose State is effectively excluded from the playoffs that crowns a Clemson or an Alabama as national champs that this means the champion is "invalid" or somesuch. Those schools are not peers or co-equal 'participants' with Alabama, Clemson, Notre Dame, etc. Never have been.
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(05-12-2019 07:58 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(05-12-2019 07:54 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-11-2019 09:59 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
Quote:ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — The NCAA officially lists the University of Central Florida as co-national champions on page 115 of its 2018 record book.

That publication might require an addendum.

Dr. Wes Colley, designer of the Colley Matrix rankings employed by the now-defunct Bowl Championship Series (BCS), announced Saturday the dissolution of Colley Matrix.

Dr. Colley, a Princeton alumnus, noted an ultimatum received from the NCAA: rewrite the formula or face the pinkslip.

“They want something more modern,” says Dr. Colley.

“They said my methodologies relied too heavily on wins and losses and didn’t isolate strength of schedule enough.”

The NCAA has allowed Dr. Colley the opportunity to recognize his rankings under a rebranding with one caveat: rewrite the formula with increased emphasis on efficiency.

“I feel indebted to the NCAA to continue this partnership,” a relieved Dr. Colley exhales.

The ramifications extend beyond ink on paper or the man behind a computer.

The NCAA has extended written notice to the University of Central Florida to cease all National Champions branding and remove 2017 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS decor coating Spectrum Stadium.

[Image: os-1542335068-op19pelp4d-snap-image]
An image frozen in time of “2017 National Champions” signage UCF is now obligated to remove per NCAA by-laws

UCF Director of Athletics Danny White could not be reached for comment.

University of Florida AD Scott Stricklin could.

“Our initial position was to offer UCF a 2-for-1 to depict the national titles of each proud program in the 21st Century,” said Stricklin.

“That offer is now a 2-for-0.”

Excellent. Let the NCAA sue. They would literally walk right into a back door antitrust suit. Are we also negating every BCS championship that used teams selected by a formula that included the matrix. This is among the dumbest things the NCAA has ever done. They should have just quietly changed the matrix and left it at that if that was what they wanted. Changing it because it didn’t give you the answer the CFP Committee wanted is pretty bass akwards.

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(05-11-2019 09:59 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
Quote:ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — The NCAA officially lists the University of Central Florida as co-national champions on page 115 of its 2018 record book.

That publication might require an addendum.

Dr. Wes Colley, designer of the Colley Matrix rankings employed by the now-defunct Bowl Championship Series (BCS), announced Saturday the dissolution of Colley Matrix.

Dr. Colley, a Princeton alumnus, noted an ultimatum received from the NCAA: rewrite the formula or face the pinkslip.

“They want something more modern,” says Dr. Colley.

“They said my methodologies relied too heavily on wins and losses and didn’t isolate strength of schedule enough.”

The NCAA has allowed Dr. Colley the opportunity to recognize his rankings under a rebranding with one caveat: rewrite the formula with increased emphasis on efficiency.

“I feel indebted to the NCAA to continue this partnership,” a relieved Dr. Colley exhales.

The ramifications extend beyond ink on paper or the man behind a computer.

The NCAA has extended written notice to the University of Central Florida to cease all National Champions branding and remove 2017 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS decor coating Spectrum Stadium.

[Image: os-1542335068-op19pelp4d-snap-image]
An image frozen in time of “2017 National Champions” signage UCF is now obligated to remove per NCAA by-laws

UCF Director of Athletics Danny White could not be reached for comment.

University of Florida AD Scott Stricklin could.

“Our initial position was to offer UCF a 2-for-1 to depict the national titles of each proud program in the 21st Century,” said Stricklin.

“That offer is now a 2-for-0.”
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So, anyone who claims a National Championship based on the old UPI is now invalid since that poll is no longer in existence?

The only true playoff is 24 teams with 10 auto-bids for conference champions. FCS does it.
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(05-13-2019 10:22 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  The only true playoff is 24 teams with 10 auto-bids for conference champions. FCS does it.

I'm glad FBS doesn't do it. I like the traditions of college football, the conference games, the importance of OOC games, the bowl games, all of it.

Plus, the current BCS/CFP system does a great job of picking a consensus champ. We haven't had a "split champ" in 16 years, when the AP picked a champ different from the BCS. Since then, the polls have been overwhelmingly in agreement, and that's a testament to the fact that the BCS and now CFP do a good job of producing a team wit easily the best resume of all the teams out there.
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RE: Colley Matrix Revokes UCF’s National Title
Any undefeated team can put a banner as far as I'm concerned.
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RE: Colley Matrix Revokes UCF’s National Title
(05-13-2019 12:54 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  Any undefeated team can put a banner as far as I'm concerned.

I don't think undefeated means anything - anyone can go undefeated against a soft enough schedule.

But anyone can put up a banner anyway. It's a free country. If Arkansas State wants to declare themselves 2018 national champs just because, well whose to stop them?
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RE: Colley Matrix Revokes UCF’s National Title
UCF deserves to claim the NC. It's dumb it's getting revoked now.

I have no issue with any team that wins all its games in FBS to claim a national title until the access spot is instead a CFB playoff spot.
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