(05-12-2019 07:57 PM)levydl Wrote: I don't understand how people could think that this board is toxic right now. There's a reasonable case to be made that things are looking bad for the program in the near term and that the long-term prospects are at best a mystery. Yet very few posters are critical. And this is after years of negativity defining this place. Very odd.
Agreed, go take a look at last years OSU game thread if you want to see what negativity and toxicity look like.
You're just going to keep banging this drum..that UC is a mid-major...that the only coach that warranted appointment as MBB HC was Cronin.
What are you hoping? That Cronin comes back? He left voluntarily, unlike Huggins. You could therefore consider him a traitor to the program. You want to cleave to a traitor? Have at it. You won't get a lot of sympathy around here.
I'm not certain what your agenda is exactly...to show that transitions are difficult? I think everyone here already knows that. To make us beg to have Cronin back? What exactly would that accomplish other than an ego massage?
I think you are simply a misanthrope with nothing better to do than constantly troll this board. If you are a relative of Cronin, all you are accomplishing is establishing that the Cronin family is bitter that he wasn't offered a raise despite mediocre performance. It doesn't make you look good. You should put your energy into supporting Cronin in his new gig--go follow UCLA since you believe he'll be such a sterling success in the PAC 12. Let Cronin's performance there be the measure of who was correct in this instance instead of belittling a fanbase that, by and large, wanted to try something different.
A constant, steady stream of "I told you so" isn't going to change anything and it won't win any converts. The deal is done, Mick is gone--time to look to the future.
If you want to point to a villain in any of this you might want to look at the distribution of funds in the AD. The people who determine that are at the top of the command structure. They don't post on this board.
Go cry to them.
I'm not sure I follow your scattered logic. The point is that less then a year ago a number of fans (including yourself) were extremely negative towards Cronin and by extension the whole UC basketball program. I'm not going to find the old quotes, but I recall people saying (among other things) that nobody on the team besides JC belonged at program of UC's level.
Now, the coach changes and suddenly you guys are all rainbows and sunshine and ready to jump on anyone who says anything remotely negative. Heck, I gave an honest review of an incoming player and got bitched at (I assume) because I accurate listed he was a 2-star to unranked prospect.
I have never said I hate Brannen, in fact I said early in the process that Brannen was the clear best coach available to replace Cronin. You guys did your best to run our former coach out of town, posting extreme negativity and toxicity while doing so. And now your upset if anyone hasn't jumped fully on board the Brannen train despite the fact that Brannen is completely unproven.
Yes, it's too early to judge Brannen (and will be for another couple years). But that doesn't mean we have to be 100% positive about his every move. A year ago a 2-star or unranked recruit would have had a number of posters out in full force bashing Cronin's recruiting. Now a similar recruit has the same posters out in full force against anyone who even points out how low ranked he the recruit is. I'm going to give my assessment and not base it on who the coach is. I would have said the same thing about Davenport last year (and had fans ridiculing me for putting a positive spin on another low rated Mick recruit).
If you can't see the hypocrisy I'm not sure what to tell you.
(This post was last modified: 05-12-2019 09:26 PM by skyblade.)
Gee, I wonder why posters think there’s an overabundance of negativity and bickering on here. We can’t even get through the thread where we have one of our best all time posters letting us know he’s taking a break without you guys taking shots at each other.
(This post was last modified: 05-12-2019 10:50 PM by bearcatjim.)
(05-12-2019 12:48 PM)CliftonAve Wrote: This is my last post for a while. All the pettiness, d-baggery, hero worshipping, crying, b*tching, etc is just not enjoyable to read. What really is awful to read are posts from UC fans hoping for failure to prove a point
(05-12-2019 07:57 PM)levydl Wrote: I don't understand how people could think that this board is toxic right now. There's a reasonable case to be made that things are looking bad for the program in the near term and that the long-term prospects are at best a mystery. Yet very few posters are critical. And this is after years of negativity defining this place. Very odd.
Agreed, go take a look at last years OSU game thread if you want to see what negativity and toxicity look like.
You're just going to keep banging this drum..that UC is a mid-major...that the only coach that warranted appointment as MBB HC was Cronin.
What are you hoping? That Cronin comes back? He left voluntarily, unlike Huggins. You could therefore consider him a traitor to the program. You want to cleave to a traitor? Have at it. You won't get a lot of sympathy around here.
I'm not certain what your agenda is exactly...to show that transitions are difficult? I think everyone here already knows that. To make us beg to have Cronin back? What exactly would that accomplish other than an ego massage?
I think you are simply a misanthrope with nothing better to do than constantly troll this board. If you are a relative of Cronin, all you are accomplishing is establishing that the Cronin family is bitter that he wasn't offered a raise despite mediocre performance. It doesn't make you look good. You should put your energy into supporting Cronin in his new gig--go follow UCLA since you believe he'll be such a sterling success in the PAC 12. Let Cronin's performance there be the measure of who was correct in this instance instead of belittling a fanbase that, by and large, wanted to try something different.
A constant, steady stream of "I told you so" isn't going to change anything and it won't win any converts. The deal is done, Mick is gone--time to look to the future.
If you want to point to a villain in any of this you might want to look at the distribution of funds in the AD. The people who determine that are at the top of the command structure. They don't post on this board.
Go cry to them.
I'm not sure I follow your scattered logic. The point is that less then a year ago a number of fans (including yourself) were extremely negative towards Cronin and by extension the whole UC basketball program. I'm not going to find the old quotes, but I recall people saying (among other things) that nobody on the team besides JC belonged at program of UC's level.
No--just Cronin--hoping he would leave and let the program breathe again.
(05-12-2019 09:26 PM)skyblade Wrote: Now, the coach changes and suddenly you guys are all rainbows and sunshine and ready to jump on anyone who says anything remotely negative. Heck, I gave an honest review of an incoming player and got bitched at (I assume) because I accurate listed he was a 2-star to unranked prospect.
We're happy Cronin is gone. The jury is still out on Brannen, but you have jumped down his Chili before he's even been here a month. We had OVER A DECADE to judge Cronin.
(05-12-2019 09:26 PM)skyblade Wrote: I have never said I hate Brannen, in fact I said early in the process that Brannen was the clear best coach available to replace Cronin. You guys did your best to run our former coach out of town, posting extreme negativity and toxicity while doing so. And now your upset if anyone hasn't jumped fully on board the Brannen train despite the fact that Brannen is completely unproven.
Umm...we KNOW he's unproven--he's been here one month. We're in a "wait and see" mode, while you are full bore ragging on every move.
(05-12-2019 09:26 PM)skyblade Wrote: Yes, it's too early to judge Brannen (and will be for another couple years). But that doesn't mean we have to be 100% positive about his every move. A year ago a 2-star or unranked recruit would have had a number of posters out in full force bashing Cronin's recruiting. Now a similar recruit has the same posters out in full force against anyone who even points out how low ranked he the recruit is. I'm going to give my assessment and not base it on who the coach is. I would have said the same thing about Davenport last year (and had fans ridiculing me for putting a positive spin on another low rated Mick recruit).
If you can't see the hypocrisy I'm not sure what to tell you.
Cronin had been recruiting for over a decade...Brannen has been here less than a month and only established a full coaching staff this week. The hypocrisy is on your end bringing the same level of criticism against someone who has been here for a small fraction of the time Cronin had been here and using the same criteria for criticism--it's YOU who are the hypocrite...as well as a member of a steadily shrinking fan club.
(05-12-2019 11:15 PM)converrl Wrote: Choke on your bile and die.
The other thing is I've mostly been nice. Even with the fans I disagree with most (hi Bearcats#1) - though I'll admit I did put him on ignore for a while. This type of thing should get you at least a warning in my opinion. We are all fans, when a large group hated Cronin and called me out every time I said something good about Cronin or the team, I didn't attack them.
Wait-and-see mode would be to neutrally evaluate Brannen's moves. Not to attack anyone who post things that are negative but clearly true (for example that our 2019 recruits look like they will be low star developmental guys).
This is a forum discussion board, not a shout down anyone who doesn't agree with you board. I'm done replying to you as you don't seem to be interested in that
(05-12-2019 11:15 PM)converrl Wrote: Choke on your bile and die.
The other thing is I've mostly been nice. Even with the fans I disagree with most (hi Bearcats#1) - though I'll admit I did put him on ignore for a while. This type of thing should get you at least a warning in my opinion. We are all fans, when a large group hated Cronin and called me out every time I said something good about Cronin or the team, I didn't attack them.
Wait-and-see mode would be to neutrally evaluate Brannen's moves. Not to attack anyone who post things that are negative but clearly true (for example that our 2019 recruits look like they will be low star developmental guys).
This is a forum discussion board, not a shout down anyone who doesn't agree with you board. I'm done replying to you as you don't seem to be interested in that
I like differing opinions and all about free speech. The problem with your schtick is it is the same crap over and over. We get it, you think UC sucks and Cronin was the best we could hope for. There for, you are going to critique every detail of the new staff to beat your point in. Most everyone on this board understands the current 2019-2020 crop was better off with Mick, for a multitude of reasons. Brannen is starting everything from scratch including his recruiting connections, so yes he is not going to set the world on fire right off the bat bringing in top 100 players this cycle. All reasonable fans understand this. Mick had 13 years and all in all, proved to be slightly above average with a low ceiling. I am resdy for a change, and I get that means next year we will likely be worse.
(05-12-2019 11:15 PM)converrl Wrote: Choke on your bile and die.
The other thing is I've mostly been nice. Even with the fans I disagree with most (hi Bearcats#1) - though I'll admit I did put him on ignore for a while. This type of thing should get you at least a warning in my opinion. We are all fans, when a large group hated Cronin and called me out every time I said something good about Cronin or the team, I didn't attack them.
Wait-and-see mode would be to neutrally evaluate Brannen's moves. Not to attack anyone who post things that are negative but clearly true (for example that our 2019 recruits look like they will be low star developmental guys).
This is a forum discussion board, not a shout down anyone who doesn't agree with you board. I'm done replying to you as you don't seem to be interested in that
I like differing opinions and all about free speech. The problem with your schtick is it is the same crap over and over. We get it, you think UC sucks and Cronin was the best we could hope for. There for, you are going to critique every detail of the new staff to beat your point in. Most everyone on this board understands the current 2019-2020 crop was better off with Mick, for a multitude of reasons. Brannen is starting everything from scratch including his recruiting connections, so yes he is not going to set the world on fire right off the bat bringing in top 100 players this cycle. All reasonable fans understand this. Mick had 13 years and all in all, proved to be slightly above average with a low ceiling. I am resdy for a change, and I get that means next year we will likely be worse.
I've never said that. I've said that I don't expect anything more then a slight uptick in recruiting. But I have also said that Brannen has the ability to do better as a coach then Cronin was. It just has to be in the areas of player development, offensive efficiency and more effectively molding the scheme to fit the players (among others) - not recruiting. I've never said Mick was the best possible coach we could have, just that he was very good. We can certainly do better (and of all the candidates we had, I'd have put money on Brannen being the most likely to do better), but it's going require a great coach.
I haven't even said anything about the new staff here. On the other forum I said they are pretty comparable to the staff Mick had.
You all were ready for a change, I get that even if I didn't agree. But you all were extremely actively negative before the change and now have started to jump on any perceived negative post - even though few of those post come anywhere close to the negativity that was common last year. The mob mentality of get in line and praise everything Brannen (or hate everything Cronin last year) or get attacked gets tiring.
Yeah, there are some guys on here that I liken to the comic book store guy on "The Simpsons" and yeah, they get on my nerves.
Who cares what they think? If some guy gets on here and flames one of your posts... pfffffft. If a group of whiners gang up on one of your posts... pffffft.
If some knob gets on here and wont shut up about some criticism of our teams... next post.
There's s lot of people on here that have some good info and good things to say. I just use it for what I need, nothing more.
(05-13-2019 07:57 AM)Topcat Wrote: Here's bit of advice to anyone feeling burnout...
Don't take it that seriously.
That's what I do.
Yeah, there are some guys on here that I liken to the comic book store guy on "The Simpsons" and yeah, they get on my nerves.
Who cares what they think? If some guy gets on here and flames one of your posts... pfffffft. If a group of whiners gang up on one of your posts... pffffft.
If some knob gets on here and wont shut up about some criticism of our teams... next post.
There's s lot of people on here that have some good info and good things to say. I just use it for what I need, nothing more.
(05-12-2019 11:15 PM)converrl Wrote: Choke on your bile and die.
The other thing is I've mostly been nice. Even with the fans I disagree with most (hi Bearcats#1) - though I'll admit I did put him on ignore for a while. This type of thing should get you at least a warning in my opinion. We are all fans, when a large group hated Cronin and called me out every time I said something good about Cronin or the team, I didn't attack them.
Wait-and-see mode would be to neutrally evaluate Brannen's moves. Not to attack anyone who post things that are negative but clearly true (for example that our 2019 recruits look like they will be low star developmental guys).
This is a forum discussion board, not a shout down anyone who doesn't agree with you board. I'm done replying to you as you don't seem to be interested in that
I like differing opinions and all about free speech. The problem with your schtick is it is the same crap over and over. We get it, you think UC sucks and Cronin was the best we could hope for. There for, you are going to critique every detail of the new staff to beat your point in. Most everyone on this board understands the current 2019-2020 crop was better off with Mick, for a multitude of reasons. Brannen is starting everything from scratch including his recruiting connections, so yes he is not going to set the world on fire right off the bat bringing in top 100 players this cycle. All reasonable fans understand this. Mick had 13 years and all in all, proved to be slightly above average with a low ceiling. I am resdy for a change, and I get that means next year we will likely be worse.
It's fine if you are ready for a change and accept that the team will likely be worse in the short term than it would have been. But other people see what was likely a top 25 team turning into a near rebuild with a coach who has no track record at this level, and they aren't exactly thrilled. Both are reasonable points of view about either a counterfactual or the future, so it's all just debate.
I also see very few posts saying anything bad about Brannen, who I think people understand was hired late and was left with a tenuous roster. Almost all of the critical posts are about how the anti-Cronin crowd is now lauding the very things they griped about in the past.
And are you really not the least bit introspective? Complaining that someone else's takes are repetitive and negative? You've gotta kidding me.
(05-12-2019 11:42 PM)geef Wrote: I'm going with Clifton's theme here, and believe I'll take a League of Absinthe. I'll be down for a while.
Ah, enjoy but beware the green fairy.
Finally got to enjoy real Absinthe through a fountain with a sugar cube in London. Fun stuff
Found it in a way-off-the-beaten-path haunt in NOLA about 15 years ago. Very fun, but you could see why Hemingway went off the rails in his later years.
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Taking a Leave of Absense
