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College 3-point line moving back, and other changes...
These changes have been proposed by the NCAA Basketball Rules Committee and will take effect next season in Division I men's hoops if approved by another panel in a few weeks.

About time they moved to the international 3-point line, IMO.

Quote:The NCAA Men's Basketball Rules Committee has proposed moving the 3-point line back to the international basketball distance, more than one foot farther than the current line.

The international 3-point line is 22 feet, 1¾ inches, while the current 3-point line is 20 feet, 9 inches.
Quote:The committee also recommended four other proposals:

• Resetting the shot clock to 20 seconds after offensive rebounds;

• Players being assessed Flagrant 2 technical fouls and ejections for using derogatory language about an opponent's race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual orientation or disability;

• Allowing coaches to call live-ball timeouts in the last two minutes of the second half and overtime;

• Conducting instant replay review for goaltending or basket interference calls in the final two minutes of the second half and overtime.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...point-line
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There’s so many teams moving to 4-5 guard lineups that hopefully moving the 3PT line back will swing the pendulum back to big men again.
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(05-10-2019 07:49 PM)Wedge Wrote:  These changes have been proposed by the NCAA Basketball Rules Committee and will take effect next season in Division I men's hoops if approved by another panel in a few weeks.

About time they moved to the international 3-point line, IMO.

Quote:The NCAA Men's Basketball Rules Committee has proposed moving the 3-point line back to the international basketball distance, more than one foot farther than the current line.

The international 3-point line is 22 feet, 1¾ inches, while the current 3-point line is 20 feet, 9 inches.
Quote:The committee also recommended four other proposals:

• Resetting the shot clock to 20 seconds after offensive rebounds;

Players being assessed Flagrant 2 technical fouls and ejections for using derogatory language about an opponent's race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual orientation or disability;

• Allowing coaches to call live-ball timeouts in the last two minutes of the second half and overtime;

• Conducting instant replay review for goaltending or basket interference calls in the final two minutes of the second half and overtime.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...point-line

Has this been a problem? I've not hear of one incident of this nature. Or is this a solution in search of a problem? Name one incident where this has actually happened. I'm not saying it has never happened in isolation, but what was the purpose for this rule, if it hasn't been a problem. A catch all just in case?
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No such thing as a catch-all.

“Your mother is a cross-dressing Catholic Aleutian Newt” is not covered.
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(05-10-2019 09:05 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(05-10-2019 07:49 PM)Wedge Wrote:  These changes have been proposed by the NCAA Basketball Rules Committee and will take effect next season in Division I men's hoops if approved by another panel in a few weeks.

About time they moved to the international 3-point line, IMO.

Quote:The NCAA Men's Basketball Rules Committee has proposed moving the 3-point line back to the international basketball distance, more than one foot farther than the current line.

The international 3-point line is 22 feet, 1¾ inches, while the current 3-point line is 20 feet, 9 inches.
Quote:The committee also recommended four other proposals:

• Resetting the shot clock to 20 seconds after offensive rebounds;

Players being assessed Flagrant 2 technical fouls and ejections for using derogatory language about an opponent's race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual orientation or disability;

• Allowing coaches to call live-ball timeouts in the last two minutes of the second half and overtime;

• Conducting instant replay review for goaltending or basket interference calls in the final two minutes of the second half and overtime.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...point-line

Has this been a problem? I've not hear of one incident of this nature. Or is this a solution in search of a problem? Name one incident where this has actually happened. I'm not saying it has never happened in isolation, but what was the purpose for this rule, if it hasn't been a problem. A catch all just in case?

It's yet another freebie for officials to change a game with. That's what it is. Instant replay doesn't have a microphone on every player. There's literally no way to prove or disprove this call. It will be used to job the games, as if there aren't enough ways already.

If they want to move the 3 point line then fine.

As to the rest they are absurd. No live ball timeouts please. It's too convoluted already. No last two minute and overtime consideration of basket interference if you aren't going to check it for the whole damned game. Miss a goal tending in the first half and win by a 1 at the end and you should have lost by 1 instead. The last 2 minutes are no more or less important than any other time in the game, unless you are an official and you need to shave points. And the games take too long to play out now so leave the rebound with a full 30 seconds. Rebounds should be rewarded.
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You can still talk about his sister ... as I recall that was always the favorite taunt we used on the court. It helped if we knew her name.
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I mean I don't have a huge problem with the rule, it's just that I haven't heard of this being a problem, so why create a rule, where no problem existed. Just in case it does happen? You'd think that if it was happening, in today's society, we would have heard about these incidents happening. But we haven't. Not one that I can recall. I mean, if someone says something derogatory, it's going to get reported, as many cameras that are out there everywhere and people quick to report incidents on social media. I haven't heard of any reports of this happening, unless someone is saying this stuff under their breath so quiet no on can hear it.
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(05-10-2019 10:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  No live ball timeouts please. It's too convoluted already.

This proposed change is a very minor change.

Current rule is that the team with possession of the ball, and only the team with possession of the ball, can call a live ball timeout -- e.g., player dribbles up the court, sees that his coach wants a timeout, player asks an official for a timeout. Currently, a live ball timeout can only be called by a player who is on the court. Officials don't recognize a coach asking for a live ball timeout.

The only change here will be that the coach of a team who has possession will now be recognized if he asks for a live ball timeout; he won't have to get one of his players to do it. A team without possession will still not be permitted to call a live ball timeout.
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(05-11-2019 01:31 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(05-10-2019 10:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  No live ball timeouts please. It's too convoluted already.

This proposed change is a very minor change.

Current rule is that the team with possession of the ball, and only the team with possession of the ball, can call a live ball timeout -- e.g., player dribbles up the court, sees that his coach wants a timeout, player asks an official for a timeout. Currently, a live ball timeout can only be called by a player who is on the court. Officials don't recognize a coach asking for a live ball timeout.

The only change here will be that the coach of a team who has possession will now be recognized if he asks for a live ball timeout; he won't have to get one of his players to do it. A team without possession will still not be permitted to call a live ball timeout.

And only in the last tow minutes of the half. So you are probably only going to maybe one more TO called in a typical game.
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(05-11-2019 01:53 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(05-11-2019 01:31 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(05-10-2019 10:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  No live ball timeouts please. It's too convoluted already.

This proposed change is a very minor change.

Current rule is that the team with possession of the ball, and only the team with possession of the ball, can call a live ball timeout -- e.g., player dribbles up the court, sees that his coach wants a timeout, player asks an official for a timeout. Currently, a live ball timeout can only be called by a player who is on the court. Officials don't recognize a coach asking for a live ball timeout.

The only change here will be that the coach of a team who has possession will now be recognized if he asks for a live ball timeout; he won't have to get one of his players to do it. A team without possession will still not be permitted to call a live ball timeout.

And only in the last tow minutes of the half. So you are probably only going to maybe one more TO called in a typical game.

Right.

The timeout rule change the NCAA should make is one they made in the NBA a few years ago: Each team can only call, at most, two timeouts in the last two minutes of regulation.
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The 3-point line change is great news. The college 3-line has bee too short, hence easy, since forever.
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(05-10-2019 09:30 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  No such thing as a catch-all.

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I wouldn’t mind if the key was expanded also.
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(05-10-2019 07:54 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  There’s so many teams moving to 4-5 guard lineups that hopefully moving the 3PT line back will swing the pendulum back to big men again.

Yes. It was just too easy a shot. Good change.
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(05-10-2019 09:05 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(05-10-2019 07:49 PM)Wedge Wrote:  These changes have been proposed by the NCAA Basketball Rules Committee and will take effect next season in Division I men's hoops if approved by another panel in a few weeks.

About time they moved to the international 3-point line, IMO.

Quote:The NCAA Men's Basketball Rules Committee has proposed moving the 3-point line back to the international basketball distance, more than one foot farther than the current line.

The international 3-point line is 22 feet, 1¾ inches, while the current 3-point line is 20 feet, 9 inches.
Quote:The committee also recommended four other proposals:

• Resetting the shot clock to 20 seconds after offensive rebounds;

Players being assessed Flagrant 2 technical fouls and ejections for using derogatory language about an opponent's race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual orientation or disability;

• Allowing coaches to call live-ball timeouts in the last two minutes of the second half and overtime;

• Conducting instant replay review for goaltending or basket interference calls in the final two minutes of the second half and overtime.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...point-line

Has this been a problem? I've not hear of one incident of this nature. Or is this a solution in search of a problem? Name one incident where this has actually happened. I'm not saying it has never happened in isolation, but what was the purpose for this rule, if it hasn't been a problem. A catch all just in case?

Politically correct. You really need to watch those players getting on the other players who have disabilities!
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(05-10-2019 10:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-10-2019 09:05 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(05-10-2019 07:49 PM)Wedge Wrote:  These changes have been proposed by the NCAA Basketball Rules Committee and will take effect next season in Division I men's hoops if approved by another panel in a few weeks.

About time they moved to the international 3-point line, IMO.

Quote:The NCAA Men's Basketball Rules Committee has proposed moving the 3-point line back to the international basketball distance, more than one foot farther than the current line.

The international 3-point line is 22 feet, 1¾ inches, while the current 3-point line is 20 feet, 9 inches.
Quote:The committee also recommended four other proposals:

• Resetting the shot clock to 20 seconds after offensive rebounds;

Players being assessed Flagrant 2 technical fouls and ejections for using derogatory language about an opponent's race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual orientation or disability;

• Allowing coaches to call live-ball timeouts in the last two minutes of the second half and overtime;

• Conducting instant replay review for goaltending or basket interference calls in the final two minutes of the second half and overtime.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...point-line

Has this been a problem? I've not hear of one incident of this nature. Or is this a solution in search of a problem? Name one incident where this has actually happened. I'm not saying it has never happened in isolation, but what was the purpose for this rule, if it hasn't been a problem. A catch all just in case?

It's yet another freebie for officials to change a game with. That's what it is. Instant replay doesn't have a microphone on every player. There's literally no way to prove or disprove this call. It will be used to job the games, as if there aren't enough ways already.

If they want to move the 3 point line then fine.

As to the rest they are absurd. No live ball timeouts please. It's too convoluted already. No last two minute and overtime consideration of basket interference if you aren't going to check it for the whole damned game. Miss a goal tending in the first half and win by a 1 at the end and you should have lost by 1 instead. The last 2 minutes are no more or less important than any other time in the game, unless you are an official and you need to shave points. And the games take too long to play out now so leave the rebound with a full 30 seconds. Rebounds should be rewarded.

I don't know why the coaches need to do those timeouts. They can just yell at the player to do it.

As for the 20 seconds, I don't understand why they keep playing with the shot clock. KISS. They are complicating it to fix a problem that doesn't exist.
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(05-11-2019 01:59 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(05-11-2019 01:53 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(05-11-2019 01:31 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(05-10-2019 10:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  No live ball timeouts please. It's too convoluted already.

This proposed change is a very minor change.

Current rule is that the team with possession of the ball, and only the team with possession of the ball, can call a live ball timeout -- e.g., player dribbles up the court, sees that his coach wants a timeout, player asks an official for a timeout. Currently, a live ball timeout can only be called by a player who is on the court. Officials don't recognize a coach asking for a live ball timeout.

The only change here will be that the coach of a team who has possession will now be recognized if he asks for a live ball timeout; he won't have to get one of his players to do it. A team without possession will still not be permitted to call a live ball timeout.

And only in the last tow minutes of the half. So you are probably only going to maybe one more TO called in a typical game.

Right.

The timeout rule change the NCAA should make is one they made in the NBA a few years ago: Each team can only call, at most, two timeouts in the last two minutes of regulation.

And they need to adopt the old NBA rule. After a certain point, the team gets 3 shots to make 2. The hacking at the end of the game is ridiculous. Maybe you do it after 10 fouls or simply 10 fouls if 3 are in the last two minutes.
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(05-11-2019 08:40 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-11-2019 01:59 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(05-11-2019 01:53 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(05-11-2019 01:31 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(05-10-2019 10:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  No live ball timeouts please. It's too convoluted already.

This proposed change is a very minor change.

Current rule is that the team with possession of the ball, and only the team with possession of the ball, can call a live ball timeout -- e.g., player dribbles up the court, sees that his coach wants a timeout, player asks an official for a timeout. Currently, a live ball timeout can only be called by a player who is on the court. Officials don't recognize a coach asking for a live ball timeout.

The only change here will be that the coach of a team who has possession will now be recognized if he asks for a live ball timeout; he won't have to get one of his players to do it. A team without possession will still not be permitted to call a live ball timeout.

And only in the last tow minutes of the half. So you are probably only going to maybe one more TO called in a typical game.

Right.

The timeout rule change the NCAA should make is one they made in the NBA a few years ago: Each team can only call, at most, two timeouts in the last two minutes of regulation.

And they need to adopt the old NBA rule. After a certain point, the team gets 3 shots to make 2. The hacking at the end of the game is ridiculous. Maybe you do it after 10 fouls or simply 10 fouls if 3 are in the last two minutes.

That could be a good way to keep the last two minutes of the game lasting 20 minutes.
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(05-11-2019 03:57 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The 3-point line change is great news. The college 3-line has bee too short, hence easy, since forever.

The line issue for me is standardization. International, NCAA, and NBA lines should be the same. It helps the players over the long haul.
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(05-10-2019 11:21 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  I mean I don't have a huge problem with the rule, it's just that I haven't heard of this being a problem, so why create a rule, where no problem existed. Just in case it does happen? You'd think that if it was happening, in today's society, we would have heard about these incidents happening. But we haven't. Not one that I can recall. I mean, if someone says something derogatory, it's going to get reported, as many cameras that are out there everywhere and people quick to report incidents on social media. I haven't heard of any reports of this happening, unless someone is saying this stuff under their breath so quiet no on can hear it.

"Name a time this has happened....im sure it's happened at some point" thanks for answering your own question. And yes this has happened in other NCAA sports so lets not act like this is some "SJW attempt to curb my freedom of speech".

https://www.providencejournal.com/sports...-pc-player

This happened in March, less than two months ago.

How about the rampant use of homophobic slurs in the pro level?

https://deadspin.com/rajon-rondos-statem...1748181154

I guess no one has ever called anyone else a "f*g" during a basketball game?
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