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(05-11-2019 09:38 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(05-10-2019 11:21 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  I mean I don't have a huge problem with the rule, it's just that I haven't heard of this being a problem, so why create a rule, where no problem existed. Just in case it does happen? You'd think that if it was happening, in today's society, we would have heard about these incidents happening. But we haven't. Not one that I can recall. I mean, if someone says something derogatory, it's going to get reported, as many cameras that are out there everywhere and people quick to report incidents on social media. I haven't heard of any reports of this happening, unless someone is saying this stuff under their breath so quiet no on can hear it.

"Name a time this has happened....im sure it's happened at some point" thanks for answering your own question. And yes this has happened in other NCAA sports so lets not act like this is some "SJW attempt to curb my freedom of speech".

https://www.providencejournal.com/sports...-pc-player

This happened in March, less than two months ago.

How about the rampant use of homophobic slurs in the pro level?

https://deadspin.com/rajon-rondos-statem...1748181154

I guess no one has ever called anyone else a "f*g" during a basketball game?

Has it happened in NCAA D1 basketball? If so, when?
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There should be no live ball time outs in basketball, only dead ball time outs.
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(05-11-2019 09:28 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-11-2019 03:57 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The 3-point line change is great news. The college 3-line has bee too short, hence easy, since forever.

The line issue for me is standardization. International, NCAA, and NBA lines should be the same. It helps the players over the long haul.

NBA is too long for college and high school. And International is too easy for professionals these days.
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(05-11-2019 12:54 PM)goofus Wrote:  There should be no live ball time outs in basketball, only dead ball time outs.

What about when someone is trapped in a corner with the ball?
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(05-11-2019 12:03 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(05-11-2019 09:38 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(05-10-2019 11:21 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  I mean I don't have a huge problem with the rule, it's just that I haven't heard of this being a problem, so why create a rule, where no problem existed. Just in case it does happen? You'd think that if it was happening, in today's society, we would have heard about these incidents happening. But we haven't. Not one that I can recall. I mean, if someone says something derogatory, it's going to get reported, as many cameras that are out there everywhere and people quick to report incidents on social media. I haven't heard of any reports of this happening, unless someone is saying this stuff under their breath so quiet no on can hear it.

"Name a time this has happened....im sure it's happened at some point" thanks for answering your own question. And yes this has happened in other NCAA sports so lets not act like this is some "SJW attempt to curb my freedom of speech".

https://www.providencejournal.com/sports...-pc-player

This happened in March, less than two months ago.

How about the rampant use of homophobic slurs in the pro level?

https://deadspin.com/rajon-rondos-statem...1748181154

I guess no one has ever called anyone else a "f*g" during a basketball game?

Has it happened in NCAA D1 basketball? If so, when?

It wasn't a foul so who knows, but i'm sure those making the rules know. Also why are you so dead set against a rule that makes it a penalty to call someone a racist/homophobic/anti-semitic name?

I guess that only happens in the pros and other NCAA sports but not basketball huh? They are immune to it?
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(05-11-2019 12:03 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(05-11-2019 09:38 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(05-10-2019 11:21 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  I mean I don't have a huge problem with the rule, it's just that I haven't heard of this being a problem, so why create a rule, where no problem existed. Just in case it does happen? You'd think that if it was happening, in today's society, we would have heard about these incidents happening. But we haven't. Not one that I can recall. I mean, if someone says something derogatory, it's going to get reported, as many cameras that are out there everywhere and people quick to report incidents on social media. I haven't heard of any reports of this happening, unless someone is saying this stuff under their breath so quiet no on can hear it.

"Name a time this has happened....im sure it's happened at some point" thanks for answering your own question. And yes this has happened in other NCAA sports so lets not act like this is some "SJW attempt to curb my freedom of speech".

https://www.providencejournal.com/sports...-pc-player

This happened in March, less than two months ago.

How about the rampant use of homophobic slurs in the pro level?

https://deadspin.com/rajon-rondos-statem...1748181154

I guess no one has ever called anyone else a "f*g" during a basketball game?

Has it happened in NCAA D1 basketball? If so, when?

Since Google is too hard for you...

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2019...tigay-slur

Quote:More likely, critics said, Turner intended to belittle King with sexist and homophobic tropes. Many studies have found that anti-LGBTQ slurs are ubiquitous in sports, but not necessarily visible. This incident only brought those prejudices to light because it happened in the National Collegiate Athletic Association’s Division I men’s basketball tournament, March Madness, its most visible and lucrative event, pundits said in interviews.

https://www.outsports.com/2015/3/15/8222...ocumentary

Quote:On Feb. 8, 1992, Christian Laettner and his Duke Blue Devils, the defending NCAA champions, took to the court in Baton Rogue, La., against LSU and its star, Shaquille O'Neal. The crowd was in full froth and serenaded Laettner all game with nasty homophobic slurs.

"******! ******! ******! ******" was one chant. The other, as described by then-Duke assistant Jay Bilas, now an ESPN analyst, went like this: "The LSU crowd, they did kind of the tomahawk chop at Laettner, except they were chanting: 'homo-sex-ual!' The TV announcers knew what was happening and one said, "We can't tell you what they are saying."

Yup, never happens during an NCAA basketball game. Nope, not now not ever!
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(05-11-2019 08:40 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-11-2019 01:59 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
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(05-11-2019 01:31 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(05-10-2019 10:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  No live ball timeouts please. It's too convoluted already.

This proposed change is a very minor change.

Current rule is that the team with possession of the ball, and only the team with possession of the ball, can call a live ball timeout -- e.g., player dribbles up the court, sees that his coach wants a timeout, player asks an official for a timeout. Currently, a live ball timeout can only be called by a player who is on the court. Officials don't recognize a coach asking for a live ball timeout.

The only change here will be that the coach of a team who has possession will now be recognized if he asks for a live ball timeout; he won't have to get one of his players to do it. A team without possession will still not be permitted to call a live ball timeout.

And only in the last tow minutes of the half. So you are probably only going to maybe one more TO called in a typical game.

Right.

The timeout rule change the NCAA should make is one they made in the NBA a few years ago: Each team can only call, at most, two timeouts in the last two minutes of regulation.

And they need to adopt the old NBA rule. After a certain point, the team gets 3 shots to make 2. The hacking at the end of the game is ridiculous. Maybe you do it after 10 fouls or simply 10 fouls if 3 are in the last two minutes.

The end of game hacking is worse in college ball than in the NBA because college ball has a much higher percentage of poor free throw shooters. College coaches start telling players to foul sometimes with more than 2 minutes left, because they know there's a good chance the fouled player will miss at least one free throw. In an NBA game, if 4 of the 5 players on offense shoot 80+ percent on free throws, then until about the last minute of the 4th quarter you're usually better off trying to get a stop on defense.
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I just wish they would fix the held ball and nothing else. Either get refs who can toss a ball properly or simply make it a turnover, the alternating possession is stupid, and belongs only on the playground.


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NCAA and NBA should have done this years ago. Line up with the international game


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(05-11-2019 05:10 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(05-11-2019 08:40 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-11-2019 01:59 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(05-11-2019 01:53 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(05-11-2019 01:31 AM)Wedge Wrote:  This proposed change is a very minor change.

Current rule is that the team with possession of the ball, and only the team with possession of the ball, can call a live ball timeout -- e.g., player dribbles up the court, sees that his coach wants a timeout, player asks an official for a timeout. Currently, a live ball timeout can only be called by a player who is on the court. Officials don't recognize a coach asking for a live ball timeout.

The only change here will be that the coach of a team who has possession will now be recognized if he asks for a live ball timeout; he won't have to get one of his players to do it. A team without possession will still not be permitted to call a live ball timeout.

And only in the last tow minutes of the half. So you are probably only going to maybe one more TO called in a typical game.

Right.

The timeout rule change the NCAA should make is one they made in the NBA a few years ago: Each team can only call, at most, two timeouts in the last two minutes of regulation.

And they need to adopt the old NBA rule. After a certain point, the team gets 3 shots to make 2. The hacking at the end of the game is ridiculous. Maybe you do it after 10 fouls or simply 10 fouls if 3 are in the last two minutes.

The end of game hacking is worse in college ball than in the NBA because college ball has a much higher percentage of poor free throw shooters. College coaches start telling players to foul sometimes with more than 2 minutes left, because they know there's a good chance the fouled player will miss at least one free throw. In an NBA game, if 4 of the 5 players on offense shoot 80+ percent on free throws, then until about the last minute of the 4th quarter you're usually better off trying to get a stop on defense.

The NBA had "hack Howard." Dwight Howard had to be just lazy to be a 35% free throw shooter. Rockets had to take him out the last 2 minutes.
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(05-11-2019 09:21 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  I just wish they would fix the held ball and nothing else. Either get refs who can toss a ball properly or simply make it a turnover, the alternating possession is stupid, and belongs only on the playground.


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Refs cannot consistently toss the ball properly. I remember before alternating possession. Its better than random toss.
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I honestly don’t understand why anyone would have a problem with any of these proposed rules changes?

College basketball should’ve made the 3-point line the international length the last time they extended it.

I also really like resetting the shot clock for 20 seconds rather than for 30 seconds on things like offensive rebounds or kicked balls. That increases pace of play and adds possessions, which should in turn make for a more interesting game.

I think having the coach being able to call a time out while his guy is dribbling the basketball up the court is probably a good thing too. However, I don’t see that as being all that major of a change.

I feel the same way about the basket interference. That should be reviewable all game long. However, people are really only going to lose their minds over it in the final two or three minutes of the game anyway.

Finally, on the issue of the Flagrant 2 being called on people for acting in an unsportsmanlike manner towards each other and the officials, honestly, I wasn’t aware that was a problem either. However, clearly the feedback the decision makers have gotten from the coaches and officials who are actually in the battle is that the players’ behavior has worsened and needs to be formally addressed before it gets too far out of hand. Otherwise, why would they draw any attention to themselves for this type of negative behavior?

I mean it’s not like you just pull this out of your behind and everyone just goes along with it. That wouldn’t make any sense. There’s clearly been a lot of discussion over it for it to have even reached this stage.

I do not see this as political correctness run amok and neither do I see this as a solution in search of a problem. Rather I see this as a dirty underbelly of the game that doesn’t need to exist and is therefore going to be cleansed.

Good changes across the board, IMHO!
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(05-12-2019 01:16 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-11-2019 09:21 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  I just wish they would fix the held ball and nothing else. Either get refs who can toss a ball properly or simply make it a turnover, the alternating possession is stupid, and belongs only on the playground.


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Refs cannot consistently toss the ball properly. I remember before alternating possession. Its better than random toss.

Even James Naismith couldn't toss a jump ball equidistant between the two players.

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(05-12-2019 03:22 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Finally, on the issue of the Flagrant 2 being called on people for acting in an unsportsmanlike manner towards each other and the officials, honestly, I wasn’t aware that was a problem either. However, clearly the feedback the decision makers have gotten from the coaches and officials who are actually in the battle is that the players’ behavior has worsened and needs to be formally addressed before it gets too far out of hand. Otherwise, why would they draw any attention to themselves for this type of negative behavior?

I mean it’s not like you just pull this out of your behind and everyone just goes along with it. That wouldn’t make any sense. There’s clearly been a lot of discussion over it for it to have even reached this stage.

I do not see this as political correctness run amok and neither do I see this as a solution in search of a problem. Rather I see this as a dirty underbelly of the game that doesn’t need to exist and is therefore going to be cleansed.

Good changes across the board, IMHO!

I see this as trying to clean up trash talk.

But trash talk has always been a part of the game. Sure, it was low class. But basketball has never been an upper class game.

They're basically trying to gentrify the game. I see this as similar to when they moved Oscar the Grouch into a recycling bin. Now that college basketball is big money, the big money is trying to take it away from the people who built it up.
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(05-13-2019 09:30 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(05-12-2019 03:22 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Finally, on the issue of the Flagrant 2 being called on people for acting in an unsportsmanlike manner towards each other and the officials, honestly, I wasn’t aware that was a problem either. However, clearly the feedback the decision makers have gotten from the coaches and officials who are actually in the battle is that the players’ behavior has worsened and needs to be formally addressed before it gets too far out of hand. Otherwise, why would they draw any attention to themselves for this type of negative behavior?

I mean it’s not like you just pull this out of your behind and everyone just goes along with it. That wouldn’t make any sense. There’s clearly been a lot of discussion over it for it to have even reached this stage.

I do not see this as political correctness run amok and neither do I see this as a solution in search of a problem. Rather I see this as a dirty underbelly of the game that doesn’t need to exist and is therefore going to be cleansed.

Good changes across the board, IMHO!

I see this as trying to clean up trash talk.

But trash talk has always been a part of the game. Sure, it was low class. But basketball has never been an upper class game.

They're basically trying to gentrify the game. I see this as similar to when they moved Oscar the Grouch into a recycling bin. Now that college basketball is big money, the big money is trying to take it away from the people who built it up.

No they're not trying to take it away from those who built it up. Sports are no place to make people feel not welcomed. Go to a playground and start calling someone a f*g and see what happens to you. They shouldn't be allowed to get away with it on a NCAA court. This isn't stopping trash talk, it's stopping bigotry. You think we should go back to the times when Jackie Robinson first came up? Think players and coaches should be able to do what they did to him?



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(05-13-2019 12:31 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(05-13-2019 09:30 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(05-12-2019 03:22 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Finally, on the issue of the Flagrant 2 being called on people for acting in an unsportsmanlike manner towards each other and the officials, honestly, I wasn’t aware that was a problem either. However, clearly the feedback the decision makers have gotten from the coaches and officials who are actually in the battle is that the players’ behavior has worsened and needs to be formally addressed before it gets too far out of hand. Otherwise, why would they draw any attention to themselves for this type of negative behavior?

I mean it’s not like you just pull this out of your behind and everyone just goes along with it. That wouldn’t make any sense. There’s clearly been a lot of discussion over it for it to have even reached this stage.

I do not see this as political correctness run amok and neither do I see this as a solution in search of a problem. Rather I see this as a dirty underbelly of the game that doesn’t need to exist and is therefore going to be cleansed.

Good changes across the board, IMHO!

I see this as trying to clean up trash talk.

But trash talk has always been a part of the game. Sure, it was low class. But basketball has never been an upper class game.

They're basically trying to gentrify the game. I see this as similar to when they moved Oscar the Grouch into a recycling bin. Now that college basketball is big money, the big money is trying to take it away from the people who built it up.

No they're not trying to take it away from those who built it up. Sports are no place to make people feel not welcomed. Go to a playground and start calling someone a f*g and see what happens to you. They shouldn't be allowed to get away with it on a NCAA court. This isn't stopping trash talk, it's stopping bigotry. You think we should go back to the times when Jackie Robinson first came up? Think players and coaches should be able to do what they did to him?

You're saying this doesn't ban trash talk? Really? How?

Is there a list of banned words? So now re+arted, f@g, and the n-word are banned, but how about ignoramous, dandy, and oreo? Yes, I've been called most of those on the basketball court (trash talk was never my thing so I never called others names).

You can't stop bigotry with a committee in a conference room. Bigotry is an attitude backed by actions, not a word. The best way to stop bigotry is to get it out in the open and kick its ass.

The bigotry against Jackie Robinson was pitchers throwing at him and runners trying to spike him, not a few naughty words that people said. It stopped when they saw that Jackie was a WINNER and that he was embraced by his teammates.

What did more to stop bigotry at the University of Kentucky - NCAA penalties against Adolf Rupp, or Texas Western beating them in the national title game?
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(05-13-2019 01:20 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(05-13-2019 12:31 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(05-13-2019 09:30 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(05-12-2019 03:22 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Finally, on the issue of the Flagrant 2 being called on people for acting in an unsportsmanlike manner towards each other and the officials, honestly, I wasn’t aware that was a problem either. However, clearly the feedback the decision makers have gotten from the coaches and officials who are actually in the battle is that the players’ behavior has worsened and needs to be formally addressed before it gets too far out of hand. Otherwise, why would they draw any attention to themselves for this type of negative behavior?

I mean it’s not like you just pull this out of your behind and everyone just goes along with it. That wouldn’t make any sense. There’s clearly been a lot of discussion over it for it to have even reached this stage.

I do not see this as political correctness run amok and neither do I see this as a solution in search of a problem. Rather I see this as a dirty underbelly of the game that doesn’t need to exist and is therefore going to be cleansed.

Good changes across the board, IMHO!

I see this as trying to clean up trash talk.

But trash talk has always been a part of the game. Sure, it was low class. But basketball has never been an upper class game.

They're basically trying to gentrify the game. I see this as similar to when they moved Oscar the Grouch into a recycling bin. Now that college basketball is big money, the big money is trying to take it away from the people who built it up.

No they're not trying to take it away from those who built it up. Sports are no place to make people feel not welcomed. Go to a playground and start calling someone a f*g and see what happens to you. They shouldn't be allowed to get away with it on a NCAA court. This isn't stopping trash talk, it's stopping bigotry. You think we should go back to the times when Jackie Robinson first came up? Think players and coaches should be able to do what they did to him?

You're saying this doesn't ban trash talk? Really? How?

Is there a list of banned words? So now re+arted, f@g, and the n-word are banned, but how about ignoramous, dandy, and oreo? Yes, I've been called most of those on the basketball court (trash talk was never my thing so I never called others names).

You can't stop bigotry with a committee in a conference room. Bigotry is an attitude backed by actions, not a word. The best way to stop bigotry is to get it out in the open and kick its ass.

The bigotry against Jackie Robinson was pitchers throwing at him and runners trying to spike him, not a few naughty words that people said. It stopped when they saw that Jackie was a WINNER and that he was embraced by his teammates.

What did more to stop bigotry at the University of Kentucky - NCAA penalties against Adolf Rupp, or Texas Western beating them in the national title game?

Wait, so technicals aren't action? Really? Sure, lets keep letting bigotry have a place in sports because... gentrification?
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(05-11-2019 09:21 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  I just wish they would fix the held ball and nothing else. Either get refs who can toss a ball properly or simply make it a turnover, the alternating possession is stupid, and belongs only on the playground.


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Refs cannot consistently toss the ball properly. I remember before alternating possession. Its better than random toss.

Maybe a robot can toss it?
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Does goaltending/basket interference really get missed by refs frequently enough to require instant replay? I feel like that's fairly easy to call because a player has to rise to the rim for either to occur.

Everything else is fine.
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