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RE: LoJo in the transfer portal
(05-13-2019 04:36 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(05-13-2019 01:57 PM)skyblade Wrote:  
(05-13-2019 12:35 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  I'll never understand why some people have such unabashed loyalty for people that had little to them.

I think it's ok to be annoyed at people who didn't appreciate what Cronin did for this program. I think it's weird for anyone to be so fiercely defending a guy that they go after our current AD who's seemingly only crime was not stroking Cronin's absolutely massive ego after one of the worst NCAA tournament losses in history. Because that's what happened.

Everyone seems to have 'sources' and are beating around it. I'm just going to put it out there. Cronin wanted a solid raise and extension on his deal after the Nevada loss. Bohn offered one that had significant performance based incentives (most of Cronin's raise would have come by advancing in March). Cronin was extremely surprised and insulted by that offer. He was done with UC and gone from that moment, especially since Bohn and him already had a history. If it wasn't UCLA, it would have been Arkansas, Virginia Tech, (etc) heck now even Michigan. Cronin was not going to be the coach of the UC program in 2019-2020. He put almost zero effort into scouting the 2020 class and it showed in our target list.

I personally don't see what Bohn did wrong. If Cronin had made a run in that tourney with that team, Bohn, with the support of the major donors, would have given Mick the massive contract (by UC standards) that he wanted. To ask for it after the disaster in Nashville was so tone deaf, I can't believe Cronin actually did it.

So I ask again, why in the world do we have some people in our fanbase who are so loyal to a guy that didn't have much for them in the end? Unless you are getting your facts from Dan Cronin, I just don't see it.

Based on what sources? Everything I've seen is the length of the extension and not the raise was the sticking point.

Also, the bolded is complete B.S. We had two scholarships and coaches generally save one for spring transfers. With the other we got a local top 150 recruit, I'm sure he as at or near the top of the targets list and most on here were very happy to have him (until he asked out of his LOI and they decided he sucks). How big of a target list do you expect when you get a top target and are saving the other scholarship?

The story is based on my conversation I had in Memphis with another UC donor that had a good relationship with Mick. We got on the subject of Cronin and Bohn's relationship and discussed various things (we did not talk about the alleged incident after the St Joe's tourney game, which I still don't know what happened there). When I saw the DeCourcey article a few weeks later I thought it lended more credence to our convo. I don't know it to be 100% true, I was just tired of people implying things but not actually elaborating, so I decided to actually elaborate for once.

The second part is my opinion only, and I'm talking about the 2020 class, not the 2019 class which is what you are describing. For 2020 we went after Symir Torrence half heartedly and that was pretty much it. He committed to Marquette despite us being on him early. We had a few offers go out but Cronin had developed very little relationship with many of the other guys he offered such as CJ Wilcher. I personally feel he stopped scouting with the effort that allowed him to get on guys early and develop a relationship. It is my view that we were headed towards a disaster of a 2020 class that would have set us back a few years. All of this with a brand new arena to sell along with an increased level of competition.

I liked Mick. I was happy to keep him if he was willing to tweak the small things that would allow us to go the next step. I have seen and heard nothing that ever gave me confidence he was going to do so. So I'm not sad he moved on, but I'm happy and appreciative for what he was able to do here.

Well said, I personally feel the majority of Bearcat fans hold a similar sentiment. This board has recently just been the two ends of the spectrum. "The sky is falling crowd" or "The everything is perfect crowd"
 
05-13-2019 08:23 PM
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RE: LoJo in the transfer portal
(05-13-2019 08:23 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  Well said, I personally feel the majority of Bearcat fans hold a similar sentiment. This board has recently just been the two ends of the spectrum. "The sky is falling crowd" or "The everything is perfect crowd"

Agree...but I think you mean the skyblade is falling crowd.
 
05-13-2019 09:39 PM
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RE: LoJo in the transfer portal
(05-13-2019 02:49 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  
(05-13-2019 01:57 PM)skyblade Wrote:  
(05-13-2019 12:35 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  I'll never understand why some people have such unabashed loyalty for people that had little to them.

I think it's ok to be annoyed at people who didn't appreciate what Cronin did for this program. I think it's weird for anyone to be so fiercely defending a guy that they go after our current AD who's seemingly only crime was not stroking Cronin's absolutely massive ego after one of the worst NCAA tournament losses in history. Because that's what happened.

Everyone seems to have 'sources' and are beating around it. I'm just going to put it out there. Cronin wanted a solid raise and extension on his deal after the Nevada loss. Bohn offered one that had significant performance based incentives (most of Cronin's raise would have come by advancing in March). Cronin was extremely surprised and insulted by that offer. He was done with UC and gone from that moment, especially since Bohn and him already had a history. If it wasn't UCLA, it would have been Arkansas, Virginia Tech, (etc) heck now even Michigan. Cronin was not going to be the coach of the UC program in 2019-2020. He put almost zero effort into scouting the 2020 class and it showed in our target list.

I personally don't see what Bohn did wrong. If Cronin had made a run in that tourney with that team, Bohn, with the support of the major donors, would have given Mick the massive contract (by UC standards) that he wanted. To ask for it after the disaster in Nashville was so tone deaf, I can't believe Cronin actually did it.

So I ask again, why in the world do we have some people in our fanbase who are so loyal to a guy that didn't have much for them in the end? Unless you are getting your facts from Dan Cronin, I just don't see it.

Based on what sources? Everything I've seen is the length of the extension and not the raise was the sticking point.

Also, the bolded is complete B.S. We had two scholarships and coaches generally save one for spring transfers. With the other we got a local top 150 recruit, I'm sure he as at or near the top of the targets list and most on here were very happy to have him (until he asked out of his LOI and they decided he sucks). How big of a target list do you expect when you get a top target and are saving the other scholarship?

Our top target that originally committed to Chris Mack and fell to Mick after Mack took the UL job? I haven't seen him rated top 150 either. Top 200 maybe. Would have been nice to have kept him but I don't think he would have played much next year even had Mick stayed.
The recruiting wasn't that great recently. Keith Williams was the last recruit to generate much excitement.

here is his rank history from 247

https://247sports.com/PlayerSport/Samari...nkHistory/
 
05-14-2019 06:35 AM
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logan seemed like an odd fit for cronin but a better fit for brannen. not that i know a whole hell lot of brannen's o yet
 
05-14-2019 06:40 AM
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RE: LoJo in the transfer portal
the skyblade if falling....the skyblade is falling

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