(05-11-2019 08:59 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  JR... First of all, I think you're trying to read way too much into my statements. I'm sitting in front of a computer in my jogging pants and a t shirt, not writing a thesis. Having said that, there is a clear difference between what I've said, and what you're talking about. Please point out where I said anything in the bolded section you're referring to about 'undermining the electoral process'. I never said anything about the process.

What I'm talking about is gerrymandering a district, engaging in voter suppression, using procedural games to block the actions of duly elected officials in the majority, 'slow-walking' appointees to slow legislation, enacting legislation (or delaying enacting legislation) designed to provide a benefit just before an election and pushing the expense beyond the term, initiating an investigation into an elected official with at least part of the purpose to distract from their agenda, pulling an 'October surprise'.... Those things have all happened and more. I'd note that Nixon wasn't part of the Watergate break-in. That was 'Republicans'.

All of those things in my mind to varying degrees constitute sacrifices of our democracy and freedoms in order to win elections. I've said that democrats have taken us to new lows, but Republicans are not Lilly white

You mentioned God and the devil... but I think you'd agree that each is the epitome of good and evil respectively. If you think Republicans as a whole are god-like in their goodness and democrats as a whole pure evil, I can't help you. I thing it counter-productive to the conversation to insist that someone accept that preconception in order to engage in dialogue... and I see no harm in accepting that Republicans aren't perfect in order to do so either.

Gerrymandering is legal and has been for 200 years. It may not be good, but it isn't a direct attack on the Constitution.

I'd love to hear an example of voter suppression. I have yet to see a claim by Democrats in the last 40 years (and before that it was Democrats doing it) that is anything but BS.

(05-10-2019 02:09 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-10-2019 01:46 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(05-10-2019 01:01 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And this is what usually happens when a thread is posted by someone on the left, where an actual substantive discussion could take place. No shots were taken at either side in the OP, yet these are the first two responses...

https://csnbbs.com/thread-876007.html

In fairness Tom, you linked an article and quoted a snippet of it that was mostly informational. If you wanted substantive conversation, maybe you could have provided some yourself. Does it concern you? If so, why? What should we do about it? What are the broader implications etc etc etc.

I think when people post links and snippets with no personal comments, it lends itself to others 'guessing' at the point the OP is trying to make... I mean, we all have access to yahoo.com or MSNBC or wherever else one chooses to get their 'news' from... I sure don't get my news from CSNBBS. I come here to see what other people find important/meaningful..... and of course, if one is inclined to see things as left/right, they're going to assign all the baggage they choose to assign, since you were silent.

It becomes even more problematic when people ask you about your post and rather than answer it, you question THEIR meaning and motives.

I'm not blaming you per se.... but you chose the thread... and that's how I see it happening

So my lack of a paragraph citing my perspective on the subject warranted a dismissive response about China? When the OP was about North Korea?

And my posts pretty much always just post a story with a quote from it for others to look at and comment upon. It's just how I've always posted things. Plus I'm pretty sure most on here already know how I feel about most things, but should that then give them carte blanche to immediately go off script? I don't think this is the normal MO from the left posters. And it doesn't just happen to me. I see it with Mach, CB, JD, Swag, Lazy and Fitty when he was here too.

And if it's not that, it's then the standard dismissives of TDS or Orange Man bad, or Maybe this will get him impeached, etc. It's just the same old same old and it's tiresome.

And I'm not absolving myself of blame here either, but when this is basically all I am ever met with, that then makes me want to act the same way back.

You can't or won't see that it was you acting that way to begin with that got you to here. You appear to be a little thin-skinned but that's just me. I don't let much agitate or otherwise bother me. The pendulum is swinging back as it always does and that has you concerned, we get it. You guys had 8 years of claiming some moral and intellectual superiority based on a cult of personality that's now been exposed as a sham and it galls you. Tough stuff, get over it and move on.

(05-12-2019 09:51 AM)bullet Wrote:  Gerrymandering is legal and has been for 200 years. It may not be good, but it isn't a direct attack on the Constitution.

I'd love to hear an example of voter suppression. I have yet to see a claim by Democrats in the last 40 years (and before that it was Democrats doing it) that is anything but BS.

never said it was a direct attack on the Constitution nor illegal. I'm 100% confident that not every Republican act of gerrymandering was done without any thought of how it might impact future elections and their power.... and i had a pretty long list... I don't believe a lot of them happen often myself, but I can't demonstrably say they've never happened either.

(05-09-2019 05:49 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 04:45 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 04:29 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I've reported a number of recent posts that I felt were personal attacks on me. Only one person bothered to respond to me (a mod who just happened to be the person I was reporting).
I still maintain that the posts the 4 or 5 people here post on Trump pale in comparison to what Obama faced in the Spin Room his 8 years. And of course that comment will now be met with 'But Obama was a zero while Trump is a hero' blah blah blah. Not to me, or the other 4 or 5 folks who post anti-Trump stuff.
You don't like our posts? That's what the ignore button is for. Lord knows I've used it myself at times on enough of you.

Obama faced worse than Trump on here because the majority of posters here lean right. I would argue that Trump faces worse than Obama on social media across the board, and in the MSM, because they lean primarily left. I wish the cheap ad hominems would stop altogether, and we could just discuss substantive issues, but I think that's setting the bar too high.

90% of my posts got ad hom replies and the mods didnt care. So ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. I post maybe once a month now and usually when its neuro related.

Oh yes.. Poor JDT..

A man so confident in the election he made a bet that he wouldn't post here again if HRC lost... Within 2 months, his TDS caused him to break his word, however, we're all low lifes because we continue to remind him that he broke his word but acts as if what he did was ok.. Reports people for calling him out.. Told me I was on ignore because I stated his word was worthless..

But nevermind the fact that he broke his word and he was completely in the wrong.

(05-13-2019 11:08 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 05:49 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 04:45 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 04:29 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I've reported a number of recent posts that I felt were personal attacks on me. Only one person bothered to respond to me (a mod who just happened to be the person I was reporting).
I still maintain that the posts the 4 or 5 people here post on Trump pale in comparison to what Obama faced in the Spin Room his 8 years. And of course that comment will now be met with 'But Obama was a zero while Trump is a hero' blah blah blah. Not to me, or the other 4 or 5 folks who post anti-Trump stuff.
You don't like our posts? That's what the ignore button is for. Lord knows I've used it myself at times on enough of you.

Obama faced worse than Trump on here because the majority of posters here lean right. I would argue that Trump faces worse than Obama on social media across the board, and in the MSM, because they lean primarily left. I wish the cheap ad hominems would stop altogether, and we could just discuss substantive issues, but I think that's setting the bar too high.

90% of my posts got ad hom replies and the mods didnt care. So ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. I post maybe once a month now and usually when its neuro related.

Oh yes.. Poor JDT..

A man so confident in the election he made a bet that he wouldn't post here again if HRC lost... Within 2 months, his TDS caused him to break his word, however, we're all low lifes because we continue to remind him that he broke his word but acts as if what he did was ok.. Reports people for calling him out.. Told me I was on ignore because I stated his word was worthless..

But nevermind the fact that he broke his word and he was completely in the wrong.

Living in your head rent free

(05-13-2019 04:55 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(05-13-2019 11:08 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 05:49 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 04:45 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 04:29 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I've reported a number of recent posts that I felt were personal attacks on me. Only one person bothered to respond to me (a mod who just happened to be the person I was reporting).
I still maintain that the posts the 4 or 5 people here post on Trump pale in comparison to what Obama faced in the Spin Room his 8 years. And of course that comment will now be met with 'But Obama was a zero while Trump is a hero' blah blah blah. Not to me, or the other 4 or 5 folks who post anti-Trump stuff.
You don't like our posts? That's what the ignore button is for. Lord knows I've used it myself at times on enough of you.

Obama faced worse than Trump on here because the majority of posters here lean right. I would argue that Trump faces worse than Obama on social media across the board, and in the MSM, because they lean primarily left. I wish the cheap ad hominems would stop altogether, and we could just discuss substantive issues, but I think that's setting the bar too high.

90% of my posts got ad hom replies and the mods didnt care. So ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. I post maybe once a month now and usually when its neuro related.

Oh yes.. Poor JDT..

A man so confident in the election he made a bet that he wouldn't post here again if HRC lost... Within 2 months, his TDS caused him to break his word, however, we're all low lifes because we continue to remind him that he broke his word but acts as if what he did was ok.. Reports people for calling him out.. Told me I was on ignore because I stated his word was worthless..

But nevermind the fact that he broke his word and he was completely in the wrong.

Living in your head rent free

Completely useless still I see. Poor pitiful JDT.

(05-11-2019 11:53 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(05-11-2019 09:44 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(05-10-2019 09:12 PM)EagleX Wrote:  I think it's curious that you [speaking to GTS] like to hover above the entire debate regarding democrats vs. republicans, yet in the middle of a battle, you wander in and criticize both sides.

I think you should choose a side.

Yep.

I find this response and the support for it odd... especially given Trump and Bernie (and now AOC)

It seems pretty obvious that the two parties increasingly represent a smaller portion of the electorate... I mean we ultimately come down on the left or right on most issues, but I think at least half the 'righties' on here hate Trump personally, and probably half of that number only support his policies as compared to the left... but not to other Republicans. i.e. (and I hope I'm not offending anyone) but there is a clear evangelical on this board... and while he may support some of Trumps policies, I'm quite sure he would have preferred someone like Pence... but Pence wasn't on the ballot... It was Trump vs Hillary.

Similarly, my son was a Berniac... who couldn't bring himself to vote for Hillary... not because of policies, but because of the tricks she pulled to cheat him. These people probably cost her the election. Of course they supported her policies over Trump... but not over Bernie.

I come down on a side... center right... but I am not a Trump supporter beyond his support of MY goals and ideals. I think the AOCs of the world are scary in their ignorance or their exploitation of the ignorant... but there are Democratic idea(l)s that I also support. See gay rights etc... but I support them from a different perspective than much of the left.

Why is it wrong to criticize both? Why must there be only one team to support. Politics as others have said is serious stuff. This forum may or may not be, but the topics generally are.

IT MATTERS if we are willing to sacrifice our democracy and freedoms in order to win an election. While sure the right has done the same, it has never been more clear to me that we are furthering the goals of our enemies by focusing on party and winning rather than doing what is right.

We had a report that said that for 50 years, Russia has been trying to decrease our faith in our system and our elections... and for the past two years, democrats have clearly been willing to tear down our system and elections.

I know, Republicans have done similar... but it wasn't directly in response to a report claiming that this was the goal of our 'enemies.'

I think GTS wants to be like the cool kid in school that is above it all.

(05-13-2019 05:04 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(05-13-2019 04:55 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(05-13-2019 11:08 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 05:49 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 04:45 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Obama faced worse than Trump on here because the majority of posters here lean right. I would argue that Trump faces worse than Obama on social media across the board, and in the MSM, because they lean primarily left. I wish the cheap ad hominems would stop altogether, and we could just discuss substantive issues, but I think that's setting the bar too high.

90% of my posts got ad hom replies and the mods didnt care. So ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. I post maybe once a month now and usually when its neuro related.

Oh yes.. Poor JDT..

A man so confident in the election he made a bet that he wouldn't post here again if HRC lost... Within 2 months, his TDS caused him to break his word, however, we're all low lifes because we continue to remind him that he broke his word but acts as if what he did was ok.. Reports people for calling him out.. Told me I was on ignore because I stated his word was worthless..

But nevermind the fact that he broke his word and he was completely in the wrong.

Living in your head rent free

Completely useless still I see. Poor pitiful JDT.

In contrast to the very useful juxtaposition-President DJT.

(05-13-2019 04:55 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(05-13-2019 11:08 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 05:49 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 04:45 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 04:29 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I've reported a number of recent posts that I felt were personal attacks on me. Only one person bothered to respond to me (a mod who just happened to be the person I was reporting).
I still maintain that the posts the 4 or 5 people here post on Trump pale in comparison to what Obama faced in the Spin Room his 8 years. And of course that comment will now be met with 'But Obama was a zero while Trump is a hero' blah blah blah. Not to me, or the other 4 or 5 folks who post anti-Trump stuff.
You don't like our posts? That's what the ignore button is for. Lord knows I've used it myself at times on enough of you.

Obama faced worse than Trump on here because the majority of posters here lean right. I would argue that Trump faces worse than Obama on social media across the board, and in the MSM, because they lean primarily left. I wish the cheap ad hominems would stop altogether, and we could just discuss substantive issues, but I think that's setting the bar too high.

90% of my posts got ad hom replies and the mods didnt care. So ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. I post maybe once a month now and usually when its neuro related.

Oh yes.. Poor JDT..

A man so confident in the election he made a bet that he wouldn't post here again if HRC lost... Within 2 months, his TDS caused him to break his word, however, we're all low lifes because we continue to remind him that he broke his word but acts as if what he did was ok.. Reports people for calling him out.. Told me I was on ignore because I stated his word was worthless..

But nevermind the fact that he broke his word and he was completely in the wrong.

Living in your head rent free

Awww buttercup, everyone knows Trump is the one living you the lefts collective heads.

Ehhhh most of my time is spent bowing to the Flying Spaghetti Monster in the sky. Little room these days for giant cheetos.

(05-14-2019 01:13 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Ehhhh most of my time is spent bowing to the Flying Spaghetti Monster in the sky. Little room these days for giant cheetos.

lol

Says a guy who thinks time, space, matter and the entire universe just blinked into existence from total nothingness.

(05-14-2019 01:22 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 01:13 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Ehhhh most of my time is spent bowing to the Flying Spaghetti Monster in the sky. Little room these days for giant cheetos.

lol

Says a guy who thinks time, space, matter and the entire universe just blinked into existence from total nothingness.

Uhhhhhh everybody knows the great flying noodle got drunk on peppermint schnapps one day and bam here we are.

(05-14-2019 02:08 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 01:22 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 01:13 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Ehhhh most of my time is spent bowing to the Flying Spaghetti Monster in the sky. Little room these days for giant cheetos.

lol

Says a guy who thinks time, space, matter and the entire universe just blinked into existence from total nothingness.

Uhhhhhh everybody knows the great flying noodle got drunk on peppermint schnapps one day and bam here we are.