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If Clark can jump ship tomorrow the players should be able too period point blank, and pay players more.

(05-08-2019 02:34 PM)Big Dee Wrote:  If Clark can jump ship tomorrow the players should be able too period point blank, and pay players more.

Write. Bigger. Checks

Damn that Ehsan interview was awful

(05-08-2019 02:34 PM)Big Dee Wrote:  If Clark can jump ship tomorrow the players should be able too period point blank, and pay players more.

Can of worms... but pay players more? The $50k-$100k education isn't enough? Especially for the guys that would have never had the opportunity to go to college without athletics? Sure, pay them $1500/mo, but let them stroke the check for tuition, room & board, meal plan, books, fees, etc. I think they get a pretty good deal. Yeah, they may not be able to get a job down at the pizza bar like the avg college student, but unless they have an academic ride, the avg college student is leaving college with a ton of debt, and without the opportunity to "audition" for the professional level of their skill set. The avg student also doesn't get to fly around the country, play sports in various cities, eat free meals, access to trainers/health care, bowl games/holiday tournaments on Caribbean Islands , and experiences they will carry for a lifetime.
I bet Luis is grateful for this opportunity at UAB without cashing a check.
This "pay the players" argument is old and weak. You wanna get paid, get a job and go to school. Drop playing sports. No one is forcing them to take a scholarship and play sports. There are plenty of guys in line that will gladly take their place.

(05-09-2019 08:33 AM)Pavy78 Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 02:34 PM)Big Dee Wrote:  If Clark can jump ship tomorrow the players should be able too period point blank, and pay players more.

Can of worms... but pay players more? The $50k-$100k education isn't enough? Especially for the guys that would have never had the opportunity to go to college without athletics? Sure, pay them $1500/mo, but let them stroke the check for tuition, room & board, meal plan, books, fees, etc. I think they get a pretty good deal. Yeah, they may not be able to get a job down at the pizza bar like the avg college student, but unless they have an academic ride, the avg college student is leaving college with a ton of debt, and without the opportunity to "audition" for the professional level of their skill set. The avg student also doesn't get to fly around the country, play sports in various cities, eat free meals, access to trainers/health care, bowl games/holiday tournaments on Caribbean Islands , and experiences they will carry for a lifetime.
I bet Luis is grateful for this opportunity at UAB without cashing a check.
This "pay the players" argument is old and weak. You wanna get paid, get a job and go to school. Drop playing sports. No one is forcing them to take a scholarship and play sports. There are plenty of guys in line that will gladly take their place.

While I understand completely what you are saying, I would like to offer a differing viewpoint.
In decades past, the current system of athletic scholarships, food, and housing etc...The balance between coaching salaries, TV contracts, corporate sponsorships, athletic apparel contracts/sales etc. was in my view balanced more so in the 80's, 90's, and early 2000's. However in the early to mid 2000's, around the time Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, and Les Miles' contracts started exceding beyond $1 million dollar contracts, then Conference networks were created, etc; a multi-billion dollar industry has been built around the on field play of these "Student Athletes." This vast disproportion between those who are making the product and those who are profiting from the product is my argument for compensating the players.

(05-09-2019 02:58 PM)The200sx Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 08:33 AM)Pavy78 Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 02:34 PM)Big Dee Wrote:  If Clark can jump ship tomorrow the players should be able too period point blank, and pay players more.

Can of worms... but pay players more? The $50k-$100k education isn't enough? Especially for the guys that would have never had the opportunity to go to college without athletics? Sure, pay them $1500/mo, but let them stroke the check for tuition, room & board, meal plan, books, fees, etc. I think they get a pretty good deal. Yeah, they may not be able to get a job down at the pizza bar like the avg college student, but unless they have an academic ride, the avg college student is leaving college with a ton of debt, and without the opportunity to "audition" for the professional level of their skill set. The avg student also doesn't get to fly around the country, play sports in various cities, eat free meals, access to trainers/health care, bowl games/holiday tournaments on Caribbean Islands , and experiences they will carry for a lifetime.
I bet Luis is grateful for this opportunity at UAB without cashing a check.
This "pay the players" argument is old and weak. You wanna get paid, get a job and go to school. Drop playing sports. No one is forcing them to take a scholarship and play sports. There are plenty of guys in line that will gladly take their place.

While I understand completely what you are saying, I would like to offer a differing viewpoint.
In decades past, the current system of athletic scholarships, food, and housing etc...The balance between coaching salaries, TV contracts, corporate sponsorships, athletic apparel contracts/sales etc. was in my view balanced more so in the 80's, 90's, and early 2000's. However in the early to mid 2000's, around the time Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, and Les Miles' contracts started exceding beyond $1 million dollar contracts, then Conference networks were created, etc; a multi-billion dollar industry has been built around the on field play of these "Student Athletes." This vast disproportion between those who are making the product and those who are profiting from the product is my argument for compensating the players.

Thanks, I didn't feel like really responding to that.

Anybody know how Stan White & Jay Barker keep getting invites to the pro am when their hayday was a couple of decades ago?

(05-09-2019 08:35 PM)the_blazerman Wrote:  Anybody know how Stan White & Jay Barker keep getting invites to the pro am when their hayday was a couple of decades ago?

2 Legendary QBs of the two behemoth teams is status, they got their own radio show (so I heard). At least a UAB qb is a popular country artist this side of Lil Nas X.

(05-09-2019 10:57 PM)C-Finder Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 08:35 PM)the_blazerman Wrote:  Anybody know how Stan White & Jay Barker keep getting invites to the pro am when their hayday was a couple of decades ago?

2 Legendary QBs of the two behemoth teams is status, they got their own radio show (so I heard). At least a UAB qb is a popular country artist this side of Lil Nas X.

Yep, decent show on 94.9

(05-09-2019 02:58 PM)The200sx Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 08:33 AM)Pavy78 Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 02:34 PM)Big Dee Wrote:  If Clark can jump ship tomorrow the players should be able too period point blank, and pay players more.

Can of worms... but pay players more? The $50k-$100k education isn't enough? Especially for the guys that would have never had the opportunity to go to college without athletics? Sure, pay them $1500/mo, but let them stroke the check for tuition, room & board, meal plan, books, fees, etc. I think they get a pretty good deal. Yeah, they may not be able to get a job down at the pizza bar like the avg college student, but unless they have an academic ride, the avg college student is leaving college with a ton of debt, and without the opportunity to "audition" for the professional level of their skill set. The avg student also doesn't get to fly around the country, play sports in various cities, eat free meals, access to trainers/health care, bowl games/holiday tournaments on Caribbean Islands , and experiences they will carry for a lifetime.
I bet Luis is grateful for this opportunity at UAB without cashing a check.
This "pay the players" argument is old and weak. You wanna get paid, get a job and go to school. Drop playing sports. No one is forcing them to take a scholarship and play sports. There are plenty of guys in line that will gladly take their place.

While I understand completely what you are saying, I would like to offer a differing viewpoint.
In decades past, the current system of athletic scholarships, food, and housing etc...The balance between coaching salaries, TV contracts, corporate sponsorships, athletic apparel contracts/sales etc. was in my view balanced more so in the 80's, 90's, and early 2000's. However in the early to mid 2000's, around the time Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, and Les Miles' contracts started exceding beyond $1 million dollar contracts, then Conference networks were created, etc; a multi-billion dollar industry has been built around the on field play of these "Student Athletes." This vast disproportion between those who are making the product and those who are profiting from the product is my argument for compensating the players.

The players are being compensated roughly $25k/yr + benefits. Again, compensate them monetarily, but make them pay for their education and all that comes with it. See how that works out.
Plus we all know, if the NCAA or whoever, decides each player gets $500/week, there will be schools that find a loophole to give them $600...$700...$1000. Schools can't afford to pay every golf, bowling, rifle member. This is when athletics starts to get cut.... because the numbers don't add up.
You think there's a gap now between the P5 schools and everyone else? Start paying players and everyone else won't exist.

(05-09-2019 02:58 PM)The200sx Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 08:33 AM)Pavy78 Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 02:34 PM)Big Dee Wrote:  If Clark can jump ship tomorrow the players should be able too period point blank, and pay players more.

Can of worms... but pay players more? The $50k-$100k education isn't enough? Especially for the guys that would have never had the opportunity to go to college without athletics? Sure, pay them $1500/mo, but let them stroke the check for tuition, room & board, meal plan, books, fees, etc. I think they get a pretty good deal. Yeah, they may not be able to get a job down at the pizza bar like the avg college student, but unless they have an academic ride, the avg college student is leaving college with a ton of debt, and without the opportunity to "audition" for the professional level of their skill set. The avg student also doesn't get to fly around the country, play sports in various cities, eat free meals, access to trainers/health care, bowl games/holiday tournaments on Caribbean Islands , and experiences they will carry for a lifetime.
I bet Luis is grateful for this opportunity at UAB without cashing a check.
This "pay the players" argument is old and weak. You wanna get paid, get a job and go to school. Drop playing sports. No one is forcing them to take a scholarship and play sports. There are plenty of guys in line that will gladly take their place.

While I understand completely what you are saying, I would like to offer a differing viewpoint.
In decades past, the current system of athletic scholarships, food, and housing etc...The balance between coaching salaries, TV contracts, corporate sponsorships, athletic apparel contracts/sales etc. was in my view balanced more so in the 80's, 90's, and early 2000's. However in the early to mid 2000's, around the time Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, and Les Miles' contracts started exceding beyond $1 million dollar contracts, then Conference networks were created, etc; a multi-billion dollar industry has been built around the on field play of these "Student Athletes." This vast disproportion between those who are making the product and those who are profiting from the product is my argument for compensating the players.

While it is really hard to know exactly how much money is actually rolling in considering all the accounting practices they use, I am not sure if I believe that the majority of college athletic programs are rolling in cash.

The interviewers were not very good for HCRE. I think that is what lead to it.

(05-10-2019 07:24 AM)Pavy78 Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 02:58 PM)The200sx Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 08:33 AM)Pavy78 Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 02:34 PM)Big Dee Wrote:  If Clark can jump ship tomorrow the players should be able too period point blank, and pay players more.

Can of worms... but pay players more? The $50k-$100k education isn't enough? Especially for the guys that would have never had the opportunity to go to college without athletics? Sure, pay them $1500/mo, but let them stroke the check for tuition, room & board, meal plan, books, fees, etc. I think they get a pretty good deal. Yeah, they may not be able to get a job down at the pizza bar like the avg college student, but unless they have an academic ride, the avg college student is leaving college with a ton of debt, and without the opportunity to "audition" for the professional level of their skill set. The avg student also doesn't get to fly around the country, play sports in various cities, eat free meals, access to trainers/health care, bowl games/holiday tournaments on Caribbean Islands , and experiences they will carry for a lifetime.
I bet Luis is grateful for this opportunity at UAB without cashing a check.
This "pay the players" argument is old and weak. You wanna get paid, get a job and go to school. Drop playing sports. No one is forcing them to take a scholarship and play sports. There are plenty of guys in line that will gladly take their place.

While I understand completely what you are saying, I would like to offer a differing viewpoint.
In decades past, the current system of athletic scholarships, food, and housing etc...The balance between coaching salaries, TV contracts, corporate sponsorships, athletic apparel contracts/sales etc. was in my view balanced more so in the 80's, 90's, and early 2000's. However in the early to mid 2000's, around the time Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, and Les Miles' contracts started exceding beyond $1 million dollar contracts, then Conference networks were created, etc; a multi-billion dollar industry has been built around the on field play of these "Student Athletes." This vast disproportion between those who are making the product and those who are profiting from the product is my argument for compensating the players.

The players are being compensated roughly $25k/yr + benefits. Again, compensate them monetarily, but make them pay for their education and all that comes with it. See how that works out.
Plus we all know, if the NCAA or whoever, decides each player gets $500/week, there will be schools that find a loophole to give them $600...$700...$1000. Schools can't afford to pay every golf, bowling, rifle member. This is when athletics starts to get cut.... because the numbers don't add up.
You think there's a gap now between the P5 schools and everyone else? Start paying players and everyone else won't exist.

I'm not saying I have the answer to how to compensate the players. I was only pointing out that the players are basically competing under the same framework set up many many decades ago, while everything else about the college game has changed. I'm looking at it from a perspective of never receiving a "Cost of living" raise while everyone else has seemed to profit greatly.

So no extra money game until 2025?

(05-09-2019 08:35 PM)the_blazerman Wrote:  Anybody know how Stan White & Jay Barker keep getting invites to the pro am when their hayday was a couple of decades ago?

Twenty years past their prime could be another name for this golf tournament.

(05-09-2019 08:33 AM)Pavy78 Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 02:34 PM)Big Dee Wrote:  If Clark can jump ship tomorrow the players should be able too period point blank, and pay players more.

Can of worms... but pay players more? The $50k-$100k education isn't enough? Especially for the guys that would have never had the opportunity to go to college without athletics? Sure, pay them $1500/mo, but let them stroke the check for tuition, room & board, meal plan, books, fees, etc. I think they get a pretty good deal. Yeah, they may not be able to get a job down at the pizza bar like the avg college student, but unless they have an academic ride, the avg college student is leaving college with a ton of debt, and without the opportunity to "audition" for the professional level of their skill set. The avg student also doesn't get to fly around the country, play sports in various cities, eat free meals, access to trainers/health care, bowl games/holiday tournaments on Caribbean Islands , and experiences they will carry for a lifetime.
I bet Luis is grateful for this opportunity at UAB without cashing a check.
This "pay the players" argument is old and weak. You wanna get paid, get a job and go to school. Drop playing sports. No one is forcing them to take a scholarship and play sports. There are plenty of guys in line that will gladly take their place.

The universities love athletic scholarships just like they love all scholarships regardless of type or source. Whenever one is awarded for any student it means money pouring into the university's coffers. Whether tuition, books, room & board, etc. the cash flow is entirely to the university with zero to the student. Back when I was a student at Bama (1960-1963), athletes received $15 per month as "laundry money". Today they call it "cost of attendance" money, partly because scholarship athletes are barred from getting jobs (due to boosters, coaches and others abusing that system) and began as a way to give athletes "walking around cash" for personnel expenses (dates, travel home, going out with others for midnight snacks,etc).

The amount is argued over, but the principle remains that athletes whose labor make millions for big programs should get some money for daily living expenses since ALL scholarship monies are paid directly to the school. Suppose a company called in its employees and announced that there would no longer be a payroll, but the company would provide a single bed in their motel, 3 meals per day ONLY for the employee, and would provide company manuals for them to study? Medical coverage for only work-related injuries will be provided. Why would one want that "sweet" deal?

(05-14-2019 12:44 AM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 08:33 AM)Pavy78 Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 02:34 PM)Big Dee Wrote:  If Clark can jump ship tomorrow the players should be able too period point blank, and pay players more.

Can of worms... but pay players more? The $50k-$100k education isn't enough? Especially for the guys that would have never had the opportunity to go to college without athletics? Sure, pay them $1500/mo, but let them stroke the check for tuition, room & board, meal plan, books, fees, etc. I think they get a pretty good deal. Yeah, they may not be able to get a job down at the pizza bar like the avg college student, but unless they have an academic ride, the avg college student is leaving college with a ton of debt, and without the opportunity to "audition" for the professional level of their skill set. The avg student also doesn't get to fly around the country, play sports in various cities, eat free meals, access to trainers/health care, bowl games/holiday tournaments on Caribbean Islands , and experiences they will carry for a lifetime.
I bet Luis is grateful for this opportunity at UAB without cashing a check.
This "pay the players" argument is old and weak. You wanna get paid, get a job and go to school. Drop playing sports. No one is forcing them to take a scholarship and play sports. There are plenty of guys in line that will gladly take their place.

The universities love athletic scholarships just like they love all scholarships regardless of type or source. Whenever one is awarded for any student it means money pouring into the university's coffers. Whether tuition, books, room & board, etc. the cash flow is entirely to the university with zero to the student. Back when I was a student at Bama (1960-1963), athletes received $15 per month as "laundry money". Today they call it "cost of attendance" money, partly because scholarship athletes are barred from getting jobs (due to boosters, coaches and others abusing that system) and began as a way to give athletes "walking around cash" for personnel expenses (dates, travel home, going out with others for midnight snacks,etc).

The amount is argued over, but the principle remains that athletes whose labor make millions for big programs should get some money for daily living expenses since ALL scholarship monies are paid directly to the school. Suppose a company called in its employees and announced that there would no longer be a payroll, but the company would provide a single bed in their motel, 3 meals per day ONLY for the employee, and would provide company manuals for them to study? Medical coverage for only work-related injuries will be provided. Why would one want that "sweet" deal?

If it were such a bad deal for the student athletes you would think that they would have a hard time finding people willing to participate in college sports.