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Hoping they either upset Clemson week 1 or lose a close one. If they get blown out, all their frustration and confidence will be on us the following week.

Good read.

Thanks for posting.

Syracuse will likely be the best team on WMU's schedule - for the 2nd consecutive year - this fall. Tough game.

Gotta love the pic of "Tommy Chong" Buster Bronco!

(05-08-2019 08:08 AM)GullLake Wrote:  Good read.

Thanks for posting.

Syracuse will likely be the best team on WMU's schedule - for the 2nd consecutive year - this fall. Tough game.

Gotta love the pic of "Tommy Chong" Buster Bronco!

Every year we count out Michigan State, we get our butts handed to us.......like in 2017. Lets go ahead and say Syracuse and Sparty will be tough.

(05-08-2019 10:01 AM)Broncodan Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 08:08 AM)GullLake Wrote:  Good read.

Thanks for posting.

Syracuse will likely be the best team on WMU's schedule - for the 2nd consecutive year - this fall. Tough game.

Gotta love the pic of "Tommy Chong" Buster Bronco!

Every year we count out Michigan State, we get our butts handed to us.......like in 2017. Lets go ahead and say Syracuse and Sparty will be tough.

In 2017, WMU only lost by two scores. MSU was better, but it was not a "...butts handed to us" game. The Broncos were still in it late in the 4th quarter (thanks to Darius Phillips).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IEu5ux3geo

Michigan in 2018 was a "...butts handed to us" game" however. WMU was never remotely competitive.

History shows that for us to beat a P5 we have to have a MAC contender-type team playing a P5 that is rebuilding, the earlier in the season the better.

There have been a couple exceptions, but that's usually the formula.

(05-08-2019 11:13 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  History shows that for us to beat a P5 we have to have a MAC contender-type team playing a P5 that is rebuilding, the earlier in the season the better.

There have been a couple exceptions, but that's usually the formula.

You are correct, but wasn't it an absolute joy to watch a ho-hum Toledo team beat Michigan in Ann Arbor?! Then the Rockets fired their coach after the season. LOL! That's one of your exceptions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qepZjgG9N18

I also remember in 1995 when Miami was the only team to beat Northwestern in the regular season. That was fun!

Pig10 fans are the worst.

(05-08-2019 11:17 AM)GullLake Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 11:13 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  History shows that for us to beat a P5 we have to have a MAC contender-type team playing a P5 that is rebuilding, the earlier in the season the better.

There have been a couple exceptions, but that's usually the formula.

You are correct, but wasn't it an absolute joy to watch a ho-hum Toledo team beat Michigan in Ann Arbor?! Then the Rockets fired their coach after the season. LOL! That's one of your exceptions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qepZjgG9N18

I also remember in 1995 when Miami was the only team to beat Northwestern in the regular season. That was fun!

Pig10 fans are the worst.

Worst Rocket team in the last 30 years.

(05-08-2019 11:13 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  History shows that for us to beat a P5 we have to have a MAC contender-type team playing a P5 that is rebuilding, the earlier in the season the better.

There have been a couple exceptions, but that's usually the formula.

I agree with all this except for the "earlier in the season the better."

2016 aside, our P5 victories tended to be later in the season. Virginia was Week 3. Vanderbilt was in October, and Iowa and Illinois (Ford Field) were in November.

Didn't quite understand the quote "The talent gap between these two teams will continue to grow as the P.J. Fleck era gets further in the rear-view mirror and the Dino Babers era continues to upgrade talent for Syracuse."

How is the talent gap growing between us and them? We've either led and been near the top of MAC recruiting rankings for some time and that success has continued and appears to be growing even without PJ. Cuse only averages 3 more points on recruits than us this year. Bit of a naive and biased comment IMO. I think cuse may be a bit overhyped this year. No dunjey.

(05-08-2019 04:00 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  Didn't quite understand the quote "The talent gap between these two teams will continue to grow as the P.J. Fleck era gets further in the rear-view mirror and the Dino Babers era continues to upgrade talent for Syracuse."

How is the talent gap growing between us and them? We've either led and been near the top of MAC recruiting rankings for some time and that success has continued and appears to be growing even without PJ. Cuse only averages 3 more points on recruits than us this year. Bit of a naive and biased comment IMO. I think cuse may be a bit overhyped this year. No dunjey.

I think it's just like you say: they are assuming our recruiting has dropped off (which it generally hasn't, outside of finding the next Corey Davis—yet), and that Babers is doing a much better job recruiting, so the closest we would get to beating them in the foreseeable future is that third quarter in 2018.

It's so painfully typical of media and bloggers alike; they assume and don't take a few minutes to check their facts.

(05-08-2019 04:08 PM)RunningGame Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 04:00 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  Didn't quite understand the quote "The talent gap between these two teams will continue to grow as the P.J. Fleck era gets further in the rear-view mirror and the Dino Babers era continues to upgrade talent for Syracuse."

How is the talent gap growing between us and them? We've either led and been near the top of MAC recruiting rankings for some time and that success has continued and appears to be growing even without PJ. Cuse only averages 3 more points on recruits than us this year. Bit of a naive and biased comment IMO. I think cuse may be a bit overhyped this year. No dunjey.

I think it's just like you say: they are assuming our recruiting has dropped off (which it generally hasn't, outside of finding the next Corey Davis—yet), and that Babers is doing a much better job recruiting, so the closest we would get to beating them in the foreseeable future is that third quarter in 2018.

It's so painfully typical of media and bloggers alike; they assume and don't take a few minutes to check their facts.

Agreed. P5 bias is what it is.

(05-08-2019 01:04 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 11:13 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  History shows that for us to beat a P5 we have to have a MAC contender-type team playing a P5 that is rebuilding, the earlier in the season the better.

There have been a couple exceptions, but that's usually the formula.

I agree with all this except for the "earlier in the season the better."

2016 aside, our P5 victories tended to be later in the season. Virginia was Week 3. Vanderbilt was in October, and Iowa and Illinois (Ford Field) were in November.

Virginia and Vandy are not exactly P5 top tier programs.

We beat UVA Week 3 (early) at home, they finished 5-7. Vandy finished 2-9 in '98.

We beat Iowa Week 2 in '00 when they finished 3-9, '07 Week 11 when they went 6-6 (maybe the exception).

Illinois finished 5-7 in '08 when we beat them in Ford Field Week 10.

So of those P5 powerhouses you cited Motown none had a winning record or went to a bowl game the year we beat them.

Thanks for the W-L stats, but there was absolutely nothing about opponents' strength ("powerhouses") in your original post. It was simply, "History shows that for us to beat a P5 we have to..."

Given that OOC Season spans Weeks 1-4 aside from those weird few exceptions, Week 3 would be considered later in that "season."

And we beat UVA on the road.

You are correct, I was wrong about where the '06 UVA game was played.

But Week 3 is not late in a 12-game season.

Fact is only P5 we've ever beaten who had a winning record was 7-6 Northwestern in 2016 and that was Week 1.