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RE: Bearcats Football vs. Basketball Natty
(05-09-2019 04:23 PM)converrl Wrote:  
(05-09-2019 04:26 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  People romanticize that anyone can win the tournament, but honestly if you take away UConn and the 1990 UNLV team all the national titles are won by schools in the P5+Georgetown/Villanova since 1970. UConn of course won 4 of their 5 titles in the Big East and their 2014 had a Big East roster

The theoretical chance is ever-present if you make the field of 68 in MBB and WBB. Has a small/non P5 school outside of Nova won it in recent memory? No. But within the history of the tourney? Yes:

Holy Cross
Loyola-Chicago
Villanova
UConn
CCNY
San Francisco
LaSalle
Marquette
Gorgetown
UNLV

Check out non P5 performance in the tourney here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Divis..._by_school

It's easier to believe that something that has happened before can happen again, than to believe that something that has never happened will happen for the first time.

It's also more likely.

I would invest my $$ in MBB.

You are going in the way back machine for that one. I could have done the same and thrown out the multiple nattys that Army, Harvard, Yale and Lehigh won back in the day but I didn’t. And Marquette, Georgetown and Villanova are in the “protected” class in the Big East.
 
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RE: Bearcats Football vs. Basketball Natty
(05-09-2019 05:00 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(05-09-2019 04:23 PM)converrl Wrote:  
(05-09-2019 04:26 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  People romanticize that anyone can win the tournament, but honestly if you take away UConn and the 1990 UNLV team all the national titles are won by schools in the P5+Georgetown/Villanova since 1970. UConn of course won 4 of their 5 titles in the Big East and their 2014 had a Big East roster

The theoretical chance is ever-present if you make the field of 68 in MBB and WBB. Has a small/non P5 school outside of Nova won it in recent memory? No. But within the history of the tourney? Yes:

Holy Cross
Loyola-Chicago
Villanova
UConn
CCNY
San Francisco
LaSalle
Marquette
Gorgetown
UNLV

Check out non P5 performance in the tourney here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Divis..._by_school

It's easier to believe that something that has happened before can happen again, than to believe that something that has never happened will happen for the first time.

It's also more likely.

I would invest my $$ in MBB.

You are going in the way back machine for that one. I could have done the same and thrown out the multiple nattys that Army, Harvard, Yale and Lehigh won back in the day but I didn’t. And Marquette, Georgetown and Villanova are in the “protected” class in the Big East.

The table on non P5 performance is telling--a much more realistic shot at the title than for FB....including recent history.

The only way this becomes realistic for non P5 FB would be an act of congress to enforce an open tournament for the NC. I'd love it, but it will never happen.
 
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RE: Bearcats Football vs. Basketball Natty
In terms of probabilities, you have to win 6 games in a row to win the NCAA Tourney not factoring in seeding. In football, the Cats would need to go undefeated [including the conference championship], play a CFP worthy schedule, somehow the CFP Committee puts them in as the #4 seed, and then winning two more games would result in a Natty. When you look at it from that perspective, a basketball chip is more probable between the two year-to-year. Interestingly, last year was the most probable road to the FF in some time if we got past Nevada. This year with our schedule and talent level/experienced starters may be the most probable shot at getting to the CFP. That said, a lot would have to fall in to place to even get a chance at the CFP.
 
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