He ain’t getting it done....

(05-04-2019 10:14 PM)ItsDude Wrote:  He ain’t getting it done....

And just missed a wide open dunk to end it......pitiful.

I'm not an avid NBA fan, so I'll ask, is this a trend, or an event? Has Curry passed his peak, or is this just a bad game?

(05-05-2019 08:36 AM)holyterror Wrote:  I'm not an avid NBA fan, so I'll ask, is this a trend, or an event? Has Curry passed his peak, or is this just a bad game?

He's in his prime. His game revolves around his 3-pt shooting ability. When he's not hitting shots, he becomes largely ineffective. Unlike LeBron, KD, Giannis, Kawhi, etc., Curry doesn't have the ability to impose his will by getting to the basket and drawing fouls when his outside shot isn't falling.

Those other guys I just mentioned are all really good defenders. Steph is a terrible defender. In fact, he's so bad, other teams single him out and attack him on every possession in the playoffs. It's so noticeable it's uncomfortable at times. He's a major liability on defense.

Having said that, it's not to say Steph isn't a great player. He's the greatest shooter to ever live. When he gets hot, he's nearly impossible to stop and can totally change a game. But as I said before, it's predicated on his outside shooting. When he's in a slump, he can't do much else.

(05-06-2019 09:05 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(05-05-2019 08:36 AM)holyterror Wrote:  I'm not an avid NBA fan, so I'll ask, is this a trend, or an event? Has Curry passed his peak, or is this just a bad game?

He's in his prime. His game revolves around his 3-pt shooting ability. When he's not hitting shots, he becomes largely ineffective. Unlike LeBron, KD, Giannis, Kawhi, etc., Curry doesn't have the ability to impose his will by getting to the basket and drawing fouls when his outside shot isn't falling.

Those other guys I just mentioned are all really good defenders. Steph is a terrible defender. In fact, he's so bad, other teams single him out and attack him on every possession in the playoffs. It's so noticeable it's uncomfortable at times. He's a major liability on defense.

Having said that, it's not to say Steph isn't a great player. He's the greatest shooter to ever live. When he gets hot, he's nearly impossible to stop and can totally change a game. But as I said before, it's predicated on his outside shooting. When he's in a slump, he can't do much else.

Disagree with this.

I am no Warriors fan, but Curry was a very good defender, he actually didn't get enough credit. 104, 103, 101, 105 Dratings for 4 seasons at the start of the current run. And he is still at least average. He is just surrounded by great defenders like Draymond and Klay and KD.

Curry is older than people think. He's 31, only 5 months younger then Mike Conley. And despite playing 2 less seasons than Mike has, Curry has played only about 250 less minutes than Mike. Could pass Mike if the Dubs go to the finals again. And now looking at 5 straight seasons playing in the finals. All those extra playoff minutes add up.

So Curry is just getting worn down. He is slightly past his prime, and likely to keep declining. Played 78, 78, 80, 79 and 79 regular season games before the playoffs in 5 consecutive seasons. Then 51 and 69 games the last 2 seasons, so getting injured more often. Just worn down.

(05-06-2019 11:29 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 09:05 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(05-05-2019 08:36 AM)holyterror Wrote:  I'm not an avid NBA fan, so I'll ask, is this a trend, or an event? Has Curry passed his peak, or is this just a bad game?

He's in his prime. His game revolves around his 3-pt shooting ability. When he's not hitting shots, he becomes largely ineffective. Unlike LeBron, KD, Giannis, Kawhi, etc., Curry doesn't have the ability to impose his will by getting to the basket and drawing fouls when his outside shot isn't falling.

Those other guys I just mentioned are all really good defenders. Steph is a terrible defender. In fact, he's so bad, other teams single him out and attack him on every possession in the playoffs. It's so noticeable it's uncomfortable at times. He's a major liability on defense.

Having said that, it's not to say Steph isn't a great player. He's the greatest shooter to ever live. When he gets hot, he's nearly impossible to stop and can totally change a game. But as I said before, it's predicated on his outside shooting. When he's in a slump, he can't do much else.

Disagree with this.

I am no Warriors fan, but Curry was a very good defender, he actually didn't get enough credit. 104, 103, 101, 105 Dratings for 4 seasons at the start of the current run. And he is still at least average. He is just surrounded by great defenders like Draymond and Klay and KD.

Curry is older than people think. He's 31, only 5 months younger then Mike Conley. And despite playing 2 less seasons than Mike has, Curry has played only about 250 less minutes than Mike. Could pass Mike if the Dubs go to the finals again. And now looking at 5 straight seasons playing in the finals. All those extra playoff minutes add up.

So Curry is just getting worn down. He is slightly past his prime, and likely to keep declining. Played 78, 78, 80, 79 and 79 regular season games before the playoffs in 5 consecutive seasons. Then 51 and 69 games the last 2 seasons, so getting injured more often. Just worn down.

In the playoffs, other teams intentionally try to initiate switches by the Warriors so that Steph is guarding the guy with the ball. All you have to do is tune in tonight and watch. It's beyond obvious.

Also, there was a stat on ESPN that said, per 100 possessions, James Harden has a higher scoring average when guarded by Curry than when guarded by anyone else in the league. He scores close to 50% of the time. When Klay Thompson guards him, he scores about 28% of the time.

(05-06-2019 12:56 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 11:29 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 09:05 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(05-05-2019 08:36 AM)holyterror Wrote:  I'm not an avid NBA fan, so I'll ask, is this a trend, or an event? Has Curry passed his peak, or is this just a bad game?

He's in his prime. His game revolves around his 3-pt shooting ability. When he's not hitting shots, he becomes largely ineffective. Unlike LeBron, KD, Giannis, Kawhi, etc., Curry doesn't have the ability to impose his will by getting to the basket and drawing fouls when his outside shot isn't falling.

Those other guys I just mentioned are all really good defenders. Steph is a terrible defender. In fact, he's so bad, other teams single him out and attack him on every possession in the playoffs. It's so noticeable it's uncomfortable at times. He's a major liability on defense.

Having said that, it's not to say Steph isn't a great player. He's the greatest shooter to ever live. When he gets hot, he's nearly impossible to stop and can totally change a game. But as I said before, it's predicated on his outside shooting. When he's in a slump, he can't do much else.

Disagree with this.

I am no Warriors fan, but Curry was a very good defender, he actually didn't get enough credit. 104, 103, 101, 105 Dratings for 4 seasons at the start of the current run. And he is still at least average. He is just surrounded by great defenders like Draymond and Klay and KD.

Curry is older than people think. He's 31, only 5 months younger then Mike Conley. And despite playing 2 less seasons than Mike has, Curry has played only about 250 less minutes than Mike. Could pass Mike if the Dubs go to the finals again. And now looking at 5 straight seasons playing in the finals. All those extra playoff minutes add up.

So Curry is just getting worn down. He is slightly past his prime, and likely to keep declining. Played 78, 78, 80, 79 and 79 regular season games before the playoffs in 5 consecutive seasons. Then 51 and 69 games the last 2 seasons, so getting injured more often. Just worn down.

In the playoffs, other teams intentionally try to initiate switches by the Warriors so that Steph is guarding the guy with the ball. All you have to do is tune in tonight and watch. It's beyond obvious.

Also, there was a stat on ESPN that said, per 100 possessions, James Harden has a higher scoring average when guarded by Curry than when guarded by anyone else in the league. He scores close to 50% of the time. When Klay Thompson guards him, he scores about 28% of the time.

I understand the concept of a switch, it's not that difficult. And I've watched just about every Warrior's game this playoffs. You would have to paste or link the stat re Curry for me to look at it. I will say I don't believe 'the anyone else in the league' recap as you state it is accurate. Harden is only shooting 41% from the field on 26 FGA in the series so far. They have done a decent job on Harden.

Biggest point is you said Curry is a terrible defender. And he's not. Stats have proved that for years. And I don't agree that he's in his prime anymore, though he is still a great player.

(05-06-2019 01:29 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 12:56 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 11:29 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 09:05 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(05-05-2019 08:36 AM)holyterror Wrote:  I'm not an avid NBA fan, so I'll ask, is this a trend, or an event? Has Curry passed his peak, or is this just a bad game?

He's in his prime. His game revolves around his 3-pt shooting ability. When he's not hitting shots, he becomes largely ineffective. Unlike LeBron, KD, Giannis, Kawhi, etc., Curry doesn't have the ability to impose his will by getting to the basket and drawing fouls when his outside shot isn't falling.

Those other guys I just mentioned are all really good defenders. Steph is a terrible defender. In fact, he's so bad, other teams single him out and attack him on every possession in the playoffs. It's so noticeable it's uncomfortable at times. He's a major liability on defense.

Having said that, it's not to say Steph isn't a great player. He's the greatest shooter to ever live. When he gets hot, he's nearly impossible to stop and can totally change a game. But as I said before, it's predicated on his outside shooting. When he's in a slump, he can't do much else.

Disagree with this.

I am no Warriors fan, but Curry was a very good defender, he actually didn't get enough credit. 104, 103, 101, 105 Dratings for 4 seasons at the start of the current run. And he is still at least average. He is just surrounded by great defenders like Draymond and Klay and KD.

Curry is older than people think. He's 31, only 5 months younger then Mike Conley. And despite playing 2 less seasons than Mike has, Curry has played only about 250 less minutes than Mike. Could pass Mike if the Dubs go to the finals again. And now looking at 5 straight seasons playing in the finals. All those extra playoff minutes add up.

So Curry is just getting worn down. He is slightly past his prime, and likely to keep declining. Played 78, 78, 80, 79 and 79 regular season games before the playoffs in 5 consecutive seasons. Then 51 and 69 games the last 2 seasons, so getting injured more often. Just worn down.

In the playoffs, other teams intentionally try to initiate switches by the Warriors so that Steph is guarding the guy with the ball. All you have to do is tune in tonight and watch. It's beyond obvious.

Also, there was a stat on ESPN that said, per 100 possessions, James Harden has a higher scoring average when guarded by Curry than when guarded by anyone else in the league. He scores close to 50% of the time. When Klay Thompson guards him, he scores about 28% of the time.

I understand the concept of a switch, it's not that difficult. And I've watched just about every Warrior's game this playoffs. You would have to paste or link the stat re Curry for me to look at it. I will say I don't believe 'the anyone else in the league' recap as you state it is accurate. Harden is only shooting 41% from the field on 26 FGA in the series so far. They have done a decent job on Harden.

Biggest point is you said Curry is a terrible defender. And he's not. Stats have proved that for years. And I don't agree that he's in his prime anymore, though he is still a great player.

Ask and ye shall receive:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26056...teph-curry

(05-06-2019 03:35 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 01:29 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 12:56 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 11:29 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 09:05 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  He's in his prime. His game revolves around his 3-pt shooting ability. When he's not hitting shots, he becomes largely ineffective. Unlike LeBron, KD, Giannis, Kawhi, etc., Curry doesn't have the ability to impose his will by getting to the basket and drawing fouls when his outside shot isn't falling.

Those other guys I just mentioned are all really good defenders. Steph is a terrible defender. In fact, he's so bad, other teams single him out and attack him on every possession in the playoffs. It's so noticeable it's uncomfortable at times. He's a major liability on defense.

Having said that, it's not to say Steph isn't a great player. He's the greatest shooter to ever live. When he gets hot, he's nearly impossible to stop and can totally change a game. But as I said before, it's predicated on his outside shooting. When he's in a slump, he can't do much else.

Disagree with this.

I am no Warriors fan, but Curry was a very good defender, he actually didn't get enough credit. 104, 103, 101, 105 Dratings for 4 seasons at the start of the current run. And he is still at least average. He is just surrounded by great defenders like Draymond and Klay and KD.

Curry is older than people think. He's 31, only 5 months younger then Mike Conley. And despite playing 2 less seasons than Mike has, Curry has played only about 250 less minutes than Mike. Could pass Mike if the Dubs go to the finals again. And now looking at 5 straight seasons playing in the finals. All those extra playoff minutes add up.

So Curry is just getting worn down. He is slightly past his prime, and likely to keep declining. Played 78, 78, 80, 79 and 79 regular season games before the playoffs in 5 consecutive seasons. Then 51 and 69 games the last 2 seasons, so getting injured more often. Just worn down.

In the playoffs, other teams intentionally try to initiate switches by the Warriors so that Steph is guarding the guy with the ball. All you have to do is tune in tonight and watch. It's beyond obvious.

Also, there was a stat on ESPN that said, per 100 possessions, James Harden has a higher scoring average when guarded by Curry than when guarded by anyone else in the league. He scores close to 50% of the time. When Klay Thompson guards him, he scores about 28% of the time.

I understand the concept of a switch, it's not that difficult. And I've watched just about every Warrior's game this playoffs. You would have to paste or link the stat re Curry for me to look at it. I will say I don't believe 'the anyone else in the league' recap as you state it is accurate. Harden is only shooting 41% from the field on 26 FGA in the series so far. They have done a decent job on Harden.

Biggest point is you said Curry is a terrible defender. And he's not. Stats have proved that for years. And I don't agree that he's in his prime anymore, though he is still a great player.

Ask and ye shall receive:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26056...teph-curry

Exactly, you misquoted the stat. And like I said, from the article you linked:

"While it's tempting to interpret these data as indictments of Curry's defense, there's something else happening here. It just so happens that all of the other defenders in that table are world-class, and Houston's tendency to isolate and attack Curry at freakish rates says just as much about its respect for those other dudes as it does about Curry."

When GS has Draymond and KD and Klay and Iggy, makes perfect sense to target Boogie when he was healthy, or Looney, or Steph, the smallest defender on the team. Doesn't make Steph a "terrible" defender, as you said.

Curry is not a "terrible" defender, as the stats show:

(05-06-2019 03:43 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 03:35 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 01:29 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 12:56 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 11:29 AM)Tigx Wrote:  Disagree with this.

I am no Warriors fan, but Curry was a very good defender, he actually didn't get enough credit. 104, 103, 101, 105 Dratings for 4 seasons at the start of the current run. And he is still at least average. He is just surrounded by great defenders like Draymond and Klay and KD.

Curry is older than people think. He's 31, only 5 months younger then Mike Conley. And despite playing 2 less seasons than Mike has, Curry has played only about 250 less minutes than Mike. Could pass Mike if the Dubs go to the finals again. And now looking at 5 straight seasons playing in the finals. All those extra playoff minutes add up.

So Curry is just getting worn down. He is slightly past his prime, and likely to keep declining. Played 78, 78, 80, 79 and 79 regular season games before the playoffs in 5 consecutive seasons. Then 51 and 69 games the last 2 seasons, so getting injured more often. Just worn down.

In the playoffs, other teams intentionally try to initiate switches by the Warriors so that Steph is guarding the guy with the ball. All you have to do is tune in tonight and watch. It's beyond obvious.

Also, there was a stat on ESPN that said, per 100 possessions, James Harden has a higher scoring average when guarded by Curry than when guarded by anyone else in the league. He scores close to 50% of the time. When Klay Thompson guards him, he scores about 28% of the time.

I understand the concept of a switch, it's not that difficult. And I've watched just about every Warrior's game this playoffs. You would have to paste or link the stat re Curry for me to look at it. I will say I don't believe 'the anyone else in the league' recap as you state it is accurate. Harden is only shooting 41% from the field on 26 FGA in the series so far. They have done a decent job on Harden.

Biggest point is you said Curry is a terrible defender. And he's not. Stats have proved that for years. And I don't agree that he's in his prime anymore, though he is still a great player.

Ask and ye shall receive:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26056...teph-curry

Exactly, you misquoted the stat. And like I said, from the article you linked:

"While it's tempting to interpret these data as indictments of Curry's defense, there's something else happening here. It just so happens that all of the other defenders in that table are world-class, and Houston's tendency to isolate and attack Curry at freakish rates says just as much about its respect for those other dudes as it does about Curry."

When GS has Draymond and KD and Klay and Iggy, makes perfect sense to target Boogie when he was healthy, or Looney, or Steph, the smallest defender on the team. Doesn't make Steph a "terrible" defender, as you said.

What did the rest of the article say?

(05-06-2019 05:48 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 03:43 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 03:35 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 01:29 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 12:56 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  In the playoffs, other teams intentionally try to initiate switches by the Warriors so that Steph is guarding the guy with the ball. All you have to do is tune in tonight and watch. It's beyond obvious.

Also, there was a stat on ESPN that said, per 100 possessions, James Harden has a higher scoring average when guarded by Curry than when guarded by anyone else in the league. He scores close to 50% of the time. When Klay Thompson guards him, he scores about 28% of the time.

I understand the concept of a switch, it's not that difficult. And I've watched just about every Warrior's game this playoffs. You would have to paste or link the stat re Curry for me to look at it. I will say I don't believe 'the anyone else in the league' recap as you state it is accurate. Harden is only shooting 41% from the field on 26 FGA in the series so far. They have done a decent job on Harden.

Biggest point is you said Curry is a terrible defender. And he's not. Stats have proved that for years. And I don't agree that he's in his prime anymore, though he is still a great player.

Ask and ye shall receive:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26056...teph-curry

Exactly, you misquoted the stat. And like I said, from the article you linked:

"While it's tempting to interpret these data as indictments of Curry's defense, there's something else happening here. It just so happens that all of the other defenders in that table are world-class, and Houston's tendency to isolate and attack Curry at freakish rates says just as much about its respect for those other dudes as it does about Curry."

When GS has Draymond and KD and Klay and Iggy, makes perfect sense to target Boogie when he was healthy, or Looney, or Steph, the smallest defender on the team. Doesn't make Steph a "terrible" defender, as you said.

What did the rest of the article say?

Dude, getting kind of old. Paste the whole article if you want. You obviously aren't going to back off your silly statement.

But if you don't understand the stat, it was Harden's Usage Rate that was 50.3, not points. Usage is just a formula of shots attempted (not points or shots made) plus FT attempts plus TOs adjusted for minutes played.

You said Harden's 'scores close to 50% of the time' on Curry, not true. The stat was usage rate. I could shoot the ball 50 times out of 100 possessions and make none, and my usage rate would be the same as if I made all 50. Usage Rate is how much, a volume statistic, not whether the ball went in the basket or not.

Looks like he killed it....

(05-10-2019 11:12 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Looks like he killed it....

Yep. 33 points in the 2nd half of a series close out game on the road. 23 in the 4th quarter.

And I'm no Warriors fan, but to act like the guy is not one of the top 6 or 7 players in the league like the other guy was doing is just silly.

Ouch

Ima Warriors fan.

And my friends are Warriors fans...

And that was a game to die for. lol

Curry will be just fine...he'll just fine-tune his golf game once all of us Internet experts force him into early basketball retirement!