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(05-03-2019 10:46 AM)bearcat54 Wrote:  I told a lot of my bearcat friends that losing Coach Cronin could have some major effects on our roster. Well, this is one of them. It's tough to find a freshman guard with Samari's CREDENTIALS. Losing both Curtis and Brooks to possibly the same team won't be good for next year's team. Hopefully they'll look at the situation and change their minds. I am hoping that Coach Brannen has possible replacements. We need at least 2 good guards now and 1 big man. Please coach Brannen , find us some good ones with basketball skills.

I think we are still solid with our bigs. This late in the year we are unlikely to get a replacement of Brooks caliper. Of course it depends on Brannen's evaluations of current players, but I imagine we just go with Nsoseme and Diarra at the 5 and Scott and Prince/Hardnett at the 4. Probably grab a freshman project who can redshirt. We will miss Brooks, but I doubt we can do better.

At guard, we already lacked depth. If Cumberland comes back it helps, if not we are in big trouble. I'd think grabbing one or even two grad transfer would be ideal. But again, we got into recruiting late and it's not like high-tier grad transfers grow on trees. Might have to make do with a JUCO or grabbing freshmen and praying guys currently on the team develop very quickly. We almost certainly aren't going to replace Samari with anyone close to his level for the long-term, but might be able to get a grad-transfer who can help more next year.

(05-03-2019 11:02 AM)Topcat Wrote:  

(05-03-2019 10:46 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(05-03-2019 10:33 AM)Topcat Wrote:  I remember when Devon Downey bolted and got everyone in a tizzy, everyone then breathed a sigh of relief when we landed the KY Mr Basketball Dominic Tilford to "replace" him. For those who do not remember this, there's a reason for it. He sucked.

Point is, HS success doesn't always translate into college success. I hadn't heard too much about how good this guys was. So unless he was a real sleeper, we probably wont miss him too much. We'll see.

Having said that, we DO need to get some guys in the door here.

... And it would also be great if they are really good players, too.

Tilford and Downey were both in the same class and both left UC after their freshmen years.

Well ok. I knew they were close. We got Downey's commitment first, then. I know that for a fact.

All I know I remember is hearing some recruiting guru on the radio telling the radio host that was all excited about Tilford that he was "no Devon Downey".

My ultimate point in comparing this to Curtis is that you would think the Mr. Basketball in KY would be pretty good, but he was a huge disappointment.

So,

We shouldn't bemoan Curtis not coming here. We need Brannen out there getting some other... good... guys. Not another Tilford.

Tilford was not a big recruit. And Mr. KY rarely means anything. Mr KY usually ends up at Bellarmine or Morehead St. More often than UK or UL. Tildord was a 2* grab by BH at the last minute when he was having issues getting his contract straightened out. Tilfors also was not a replacement for Downey, they were in the same class and played both as freshman. Jamal Warren or Deonta Vaughn would have been a replacement for Downey.

(05-03-2019 09:12 AM)Marcus Wrote:  He was a default pickup for UC in the first place after another coaching change. I'd say chances are good he'll bounce around another time or two. I just don't get the panic from some of you. The guy was barely in the National Top 150.

This. Another Mick project. He is a replaceable player. When there is a coaching change these things happen. Happens at other schools, no matter whether they are Cartel 5 or not, and it is happening here. My hope is Brannen is able to right the ship sooner than later. One other thing, if Curtis was that good why hasn't Mick or Mack offered him a scholly at Loserville or UCLA.

(05-03-2019 11:24 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(05-03-2019 09:12 AM)Marcus Wrote:  He was a default pickup for UC in the first place after another coaching change. I'd say chances are good he'll bounce around another time or two. I just don't get the panic from some of you. The guy was barely in the National Top 150.

This. Another Mick project. He is a replaceable player. When there is a coaching change these things happen. Happens at other schools, no matter whether they are Cartel 5 or not, and it is happening here. My hope is Brannen is able to right the ship sooner than later. One other thing, if Curtis was that good why hasn't Mick or Mack offered him a scholly at Loserville or UCLA.

Lol. So now we are defining players who are 0.925 (right on the high-3, low-4 star bubble) as "projects". I guess UK and Duke probably do that. By that criteria we've had 3 non-projects since 2010 (Cumberland, Clark and Shaq Thomas).

I viewed him as Kieth Williams level player. Secondary scorer, role player, star as an upperclassman.

(05-02-2019 09:08 PM)levydl Wrote:  

(05-02-2019 08:13 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  

(05-02-2019 07:48 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  We've officially moved into "Rebuilding" territory.

C'est la vie.

Again, the only meaningful contributor we are probably losing is Brooks. Samari is good, but he is NOWHERE NEAR good enough to be a meaningful contributor as a freshman at a major program like UC. He may get more playing time at a lesser program like Virginia Tech. Good for him.

Losing Brooks (which is probable, but not certain) and a good but not great incoming freshman does not put us in "rebuilding" mode.

I appreciate that the everything-sucks brigade is now preaching calm rationality.

Yeah, I noticed that too. I thought the post along the lines of "yeah the next two years are going to be tough" was the premiere one. Some go from being furious at only making or winning one game in the tourney to hey we're not going to be very good for awhile at least - it's no biggie.

(05-02-2019 09:11 PM)levydl Wrote:  

(05-02-2019 08:54 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  You folks remember the 2006 season, correct? 2007? 2008? Throw in 2009. It could be worse. A lot worse. Next two seasons may be a step or two backward but we're too good a program to not right the ship sooner rather than later. Try to look at it in a wider context and not just the next several seasons. Some bumps along the road for sure but WE. WILL. BE. FINE. Remember what CJB said in his presser - no one will outwork him. Until he proves otherwise, I'm on board the Brannen train.

Your point is that things aren't as bad as when the school president nuked the program?

Could be worse. He could be claiming things aren't as bad as the awful stretch when we made 9 tourneys in a row but no E8s and so many were so pissed off, right?

(05-02-2019 09:57 PM)gerhard911 Wrote:  

(05-02-2019 09:08 PM)levydl Wrote:  

(05-02-2019 08:13 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  

(05-02-2019 07:48 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  We've officially moved into "Rebuilding" territory.

C'est la vie.

Again, the only meaningful contributor we are probably losing is Brooks. Samari is good, but he is NOWHERE NEAR good enough to be a meaningful contributor as a freshman at a major program like UC. He may get more playing time at a lesser program like Virginia Tech. Good for him.

Losing Brooks (which is probable, but not certain) and a good but not great incoming freshman does not put us in "rebuilding" mode.

I appreciate that the everything-sucks brigade is now preaching calm rationality.

Because it's year one instead of year thirteen?

Nope. Because it's year now.

(05-03-2019 11:47 AM)skyblade Wrote:  

(05-03-2019 11:24 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(05-03-2019 09:12 AM)Marcus Wrote:  He was a default pickup for UC in the first place after another coaching change. I'd say chances are good he'll bounce around another time or two. I just don't get the panic from some of you. The guy was barely in the National Top 150.

This. Another Mick project. He is a replaceable player. When there is a coaching change these things happen. Happens at other schools, no matter whether they are Cartel 5 or not, and it is happening here. My hope is Brannen is able to right the ship sooner than later. One other thing, if Curtis was that good why hasn't Mick or Mack offered him a scholly at Loserville or UCLA.

Lol. So now we are defining players who are 0.925 (right on the high-3, low-4 star bubble) as "projects". I guess UK and Duke probably do that. By that criteria we've had 3 non-projects since 2010 (Cumberland, Clark and Shaq Thomas).

I think some of you get the ratings numbers confused between football prospects and basketball prospects. A .925 is a 3-star in basketball on 247 where in football its an extremely high solid 4-star raiting.. If being barely in the Top 150 nationally means he is right on the border of being a 4-star then handing out 4-stars has certainly become way more liberal over the last few years. A 4-star for the longest time almost always meant you were a solid National Top 100 prospect. Being a 4* these days has certainly lost its value in basketball recruiting.

(05-03-2019 08:33 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(05-03-2019 08:27 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  

(05-03-2019 08:05 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-02-2019 06:42 PM)jarr Wrote:  My guess is, based on his history (this is the 3rd time he has decommited from a school), he will not last 4 years at whatever school he chooses and transfers at least once. Just seems like that is his future.

My thoughts exactly. Reminds me of Gunner. Wish him well though, hopefully he learns that jumping from "commitment" to "commitment" is not the way to go through life.

Dudes he committed to two schools...where months after his commitment the head coach left.

Yes your commitment is to the "school" but that coach means more than the school does for the guys on the team and in the gym every day.

To me he looks like a less dynamic Jacob Evans. Nothing to lose sleep over. And for gods sake stop bad mouthing the kid cause he doesn't love UC as much as you do.

Exactly...why are others not beholden to their own commitments, yet these guys are?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Brannen had a contractual commitment to coach NKU but nobody seems to upset by that (including myself).

(05-03-2019 10:46 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(05-03-2019 10:33 AM)Topcat Wrote:  I remember when Devon Downey bolted and got everyone in a tizzy, everyone then breathed a sigh of relief when we landed the KY Mr Basketball Dominic Tilford to "replace" him. For those who do not remember this, there's a reason for it. He sucked.

Point is, HS success doesn't always translate into college success. I hadn't heard too much about how good this guys was. So unless he was a real sleeper, we probably wont miss him too much. We'll see.

Having said that, we DO need to get some guys in the door here.

... And it would also be great if they are really good players, too.

Tilford and Downey were both in the same class and both left UC after their freshmen years.

Yeah, that analogy needs a LOT of work. Even if he would have had the facts right, I was still trying to figure out if Curtis is supposed to be the guy who left and created a tizzy or the guy coming in who wasn't as good as his HS honors would imply.

(05-03-2019 12:41 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(05-03-2019 11:47 AM)skyblade Wrote:  

(05-03-2019 11:24 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(05-03-2019 09:12 AM)Marcus Wrote:  He was a default pickup for UC in the first place after another coaching change. I'd say chances are good he'll bounce around another time or two. I just don't get the panic from some of you. The guy was barely in the National Top 150.

This. Another Mick project. He is a replaceable player. When there is a coaching change these things happen. Happens at other schools, no matter whether they are Cartel 5 or not, and it is happening here. My hope is Brannen is able to right the ship sooner than later. One other thing, if Curtis was that good why hasn't Mick or Mack offered him a scholly at Loserville or UCLA.

Lol. So now we are defining players who are 0.925 (right on the high-3, low-4 star bubble) as "projects". I guess UK and Duke probably do that. By that criteria we've had 3 non-projects since 2010 (Cumberland, Clark and Shaq Thomas).

I think some of you get the ratings numbers confused between football prospects and basketball prospects. A .925 is a 3-star in basketball on 247 where in football its an extremely high solid 4-star raiting.. If being barely in the Top 150 nationally means he is right on the border of being a 4-star then handing out 4-stars has certainly become way more liberal over the last few years. A 4-star for the longest time almost always meant you were a solid National Top 100 prospect. Being a 4* these days has certainly lost its value in basketball recruiting.

Rankings tend to vary by site though. A 4 star on one site is often a 3-star somewhere else. Seems like the "bubble" tends to be in the 0.92 to 0.95 range, which is what I call a high-3/low-4 recruit. Logan Johnson was only given a 0.900 when he came to UC, but was #192 on 247, #143 on Rivals and but was rated as a 4-star by scout when he committed to UC.

Do you go to his ranking when he committed (4-star) or when he actually came to UC (3-star) and do you use rivals, 247 or one of a number of other available rankings. Did he drop over his senior HS year because of his play or because he committed to UC and not a power 5 school?

Another example, 247 has Wichita States top 2 recruits at 136 and 152 and 3-stars. Rivals has them at 110 and 121 and 4-stars.

I generally go off of 247 ratings, but I also group by high/low 3-star or high/low 4-star.

(05-03-2019 10:57 AM)cincybb51 Wrote:  

(05-03-2019 10:46 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(05-03-2019 10:33 AM)Topcat Wrote:  I remember when Devon Downey bolted and got everyone in a tizzy, everyone then breathed a sigh of relief when we landed the KY Mr Basketball Dominic Tilford to "replace" him. For those who do not remember this, there's a reason for it. He sucked.

Point is, HS success doesn't always translate into college success. I hadn't heard too much about how good this guys was. So unless he was a real sleeper, we probably wont miss him too much. We'll see.

Having said that, we DO need to get some guys in the door here.

... And it would also be great if they are really good players, too.

Tilford and Downey were both in the same class and both left UC after their freshmen years.

Correct and we also had another freshman Deandre Coleman who transferred. Coleman and Tilford both went to South Alabama and had decent careers at that level of play in the Sun Belt. If Kennedy had stayed we probably would have had a larger roster of players who returned the following year. But White and Muhammad being declared ineligible in the NIT was the kiss of death for Kennedy.

By most accounts I"ve heard, that kiss occurred long before that and Kennedy was well aware of it even if he clung to the idea that minds might change.

(05-03-2019 11:18 AM)jarr Wrote:  

(05-03-2019 11:02 AM)Topcat Wrote:  

(05-03-2019 10:46 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(05-03-2019 10:33 AM)Topcat Wrote:  I remember when Devon Downey bolted and got everyone in a tizzy, everyone then breathed a sigh of relief when we landed the KY Mr Basketball Dominic Tilford to "replace" him. For those who do not remember this, there's a reason for it. He sucked.

Point is, HS success doesn't always translate into college success. I hadn't heard too much about how good this guys was. So unless he was a real sleeper, we probably wont miss him too much. We'll see.

Having said that, we DO need to get some guys in the door here.

... And it would also be great if they are really good players, too.

Tilford and Downey were both in the same class and both left UC after their freshmen years.

Well ok. I knew they were close. We got Downey's commitment first, then. I know that for a fact.

All I know I remember is hearing some recruiting guru on the radio telling the radio host that was all excited about Tilford that he was "no Devon Downey".

My ultimate point in comparing this to Curtis is that you would think the Mr. Basketball in KY would be pretty good, but he was a huge disappointment.

So,

We shouldn't bemoan Curtis not coming here. We need Brannen out there getting some other... good... guys. Not another Tilford.

Tilford was not a big recruit. And Mr. KY rarely means anything. Mr KY usually ends up at Bellarmine or Morehead St. More often than UK or UL. Tildord was a 2* grab by BH at the last minute when he was having issues getting his contract straightened out. Tilfors also was not a replacement for Downey, they were in the same class and played both as freshman. Jamal Warren or Deonta Vaughn would have been a replacement for Downey.

You know this stuff can be looked up? 8 of the past 20 Mr. Kentucky players have gone to UK or UL. Three have gone to Vandy, 1 to Tennessee, and 1 to LSU. NKU and WKU have grabbed a few. None have gone to Bellarmine or Morehead St.

(05-03-2019 04:22 AM)jarr Wrote:  Curtis is going to transfer from VT by year 2 at the latear, mark it down. Something won't go his way and he will jump ship.

I sort of agree with you on that one. An 18 yr old that has changed from 2 LOI's will probably change schools down the road. I still would have loved him in a bearcat uniform. He has so much potential.

(05-03-2019 11:04 AM)skyblade Wrote:  

(05-03-2019 10:46 AM)bearcat54 Wrote:  I told a lot of my bearcat friends that losing Coach Cronin could have some major effects on our roster. Well, this is one of them. It's tough to find a freshman guard with Samari's CREDENTIALS. Losing both Curtis and Brooks to possibly the same team won't be good for next year's team. Hopefully they'll look at the situation and change their minds. I am hoping that Coach Brannen has possible replacements. We need at least 2 good guards now and 1 big man. Please coach Brannen , find us some good ones with basketball skills.

I think we are still solid with our bigs. This late in the year we are unlikely to get a replacement of Brooks caliper. Of course it depends on Brannen's evaluations of current players, but I imagine we just go with Nsoseme and Diarra at the 5 and Scott and Prince/Hardnett at the 4. Probably grab a freshman project who can redshirt. We will miss Brooks, but I doubt we can do better.

At guard, we already lacked depth. If Cumberland comes back it helps, if not we are in big trouble. I'd think grabbing one or even two grad transfer would be ideal. But again, we got into recruiting late and it's not like high-tier grad transfers grow on trees. Might have to make do with a JUCO or grabbing freshmen and praying guys currently on the team develop very quickly. We almost certainly aren't going to replace Samari with anyone close to his level for the long-term, but might be able to get a grad-transfer who can help more next year.

maybe entice 2 or 3 senior grad transfers could help also. I don't like Logan being anything but a point guard. Keith Williams better hone his ball handling skills and improve on outside shooting to lessen the damage so far.

(05-03-2019 02:03 PM)geef Wrote:  

(05-03-2019 11:18 AM)jarr Wrote:  

(05-03-2019 11:02 AM)Topcat Wrote:  

(05-03-2019 10:46 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(05-03-2019 10:33 AM)Topcat Wrote:  I remember when Devon Downey bolted and got everyone in a tizzy, everyone then breathed a sigh of relief when we landed the KY Mr Basketball Dominic Tilford to "replace" him. For those who do not remember this, there's a reason for it. He sucked.

Point is, HS success doesn't always translate into college success. I hadn't heard too much about how good this guys was. So unless he was a real sleeper, we probably wont miss him too much. We'll see.

Having said that, we DO need to get some guys in the door here.

... And it would also be great if they are really good players, too.

Tilford and Downey were both in the same class and both left UC after their freshmen years.

Well ok. I knew they were close. We got Downey's commitment first, then. I know that for a fact.

All I know I remember is hearing some recruiting guru on the radio telling the radio host that was all excited about Tilford that he was "no Devon Downey".

My ultimate point in comparing this to Curtis is that you would think the Mr. Basketball in KY would be pretty good, but he was a huge disappointment.

So,

We shouldn't bemoan Curtis not coming here. We need Brannen out there getting some other... good... guys. Not another Tilford.

Tilford was not a big recruit. And Mr. KY rarely means anything. Mr KY usually ends up at Bellarmine or Morehead St. More often than UK or UL. Tildord was a 2* grab by BH at the last minute when he was having issues getting his contract straightened out. Tilfors also was not a replacement for Downey, they were in the same class and played both as freshman. Jamal Warren or Deonta Vaughn would have been a replacement for Downey.

You know this stuff can be looked up? 8 of the past 20 Mr. Kentucky players have gone to UK or UL. Three have gone to Vandy, 1 to Tennessee, and 1 to LSU. NKU and WKU have grabbed a few. None have gone to Bellarmine or Morehead St.

(05-03-2019 02:03 PM)geef Wrote:  

(05-03-2019 11:18 AM)jarr Wrote:  

(05-03-2019 11:02 AM)Topcat Wrote:  

(05-03-2019 10:46 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(05-03-2019 10:33 AM)Topcat Wrote:  I remember when Devon Downey bolted and got everyone in a tizzy, everyone then breathed a sigh of relief when we landed the KY Mr Basketball Dominic Tilford to "replace" him. For those who do not remember this, there's a reason for it. He sucked.

Point is, HS success doesn't always translate into college success. I hadn't heard too much about how good this guys was. So unless he was a real sleeper, we probably wont miss him too much. We'll see.

Having said that, we DO need to get some guys in the door here.

... And it would also be great if they are really good players, too.

Tilford and Downey were both in the same class and both left UC after their freshmen years.

Well ok. I knew they were close. We got Downey's commitment first, then. I know that for a fact.

All I know I remember is hearing some recruiting guru on the radio telling the radio host that was all excited about Tilford that he was "no Devon Downey".

My ultimate point in comparing this to Curtis is that you would think the Mr. Basketball in KY would be pretty good, but he was a huge disappointment.

So,

We shouldn't bemoan Curtis not coming here. We need Brannen out there getting some other... good... guys. Not another Tilford.

Tilford was not a big recruit. And Mr. KY rarely means anything. Mr KY usually ends up at Bellarmine or Morehead St. More often than UK or UL. Tildord was a 2* grab by BH at the last minute when he was having issues getting his contract straightened out. Tilfors also was not a replacement for Downey, they were in the same class and played both as freshman. Jamal Warren or Deonta Vaughn would have been a replacement for Downey.

You know this stuff can be looked up? 8 of the past 20 Mr. Kentucky players have gone to UK or UL. Three have gone to Vandy, 1 to Tennessee, and 1 to LSU. NKU and WKU have grabbed a few. None have gone to Bellarmine or Morehead St.

Do you literally think I meant Morehead and Bellarmine? Since you did the research, you sort of made my point. 40% of Mr. KY went to UK or UL. Basically about half of Mr. KYs are good enough to play for big time programs and the other half are going to mid majors.

(05-03-2019 02:47 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(05-03-2019 02:03 PM)geef Wrote:  

(05-03-2019 11:18 AM)jarr Wrote:  

(05-03-2019 11:02 AM)Topcat Wrote:  

(05-03-2019 10:46 AM)levydl Wrote:  Tilford and Downey were both in the same class and both left UC after their freshmen years.

Well ok. I knew they were close. We got Downey's commitment first, then. I know that for a fact.

All I know I remember is hearing some recruiting guru on the radio telling the radio host that was all excited about Tilford that he was "no Devon Downey".

My ultimate point in comparing this to Curtis is that you would think the Mr. Basketball in KY would be pretty good, but he was a huge disappointment.

So,

We shouldn't bemoan Curtis not coming here. We need Brannen out there getting some other... good... guys. Not another Tilford.

Tilford was not a big recruit. And Mr. KY rarely means anything. Mr KY usually ends up at Bellarmine or Morehead St. More often than UK or UL. Tildord was a 2* grab by BH at the last minute when he was having issues getting his contract straightened out. Tilfors also was not a replacement for Downey, they were in the same class and played both as freshman. Jamal Warren or Deonta Vaughn would have been a replacement for Downey.

You know this stuff can be looked up? 8 of the past 20 Mr. Kentucky players have gone to UK or UL. Three have gone to Vandy, 1 to Tennessee, and 1 to LSU. NKU and WKU have grabbed a few. None have gone to Bellarmine or Morehead St.

Do you literally think I meant Morehead and Bellarmine? Since you did the research, you sort of made my point. 40% of Mr. KY went to UK or UL. Basically about half of Mr. KYs are good enough to play for big time programs and the other half are going to mid majors.

More than half went to P6 schools, and none to a D2 like Bellarmine, but you just go ahead and dig in if it makes you feel better.

(05-03-2019 10:31 AM)skyblade Wrote:  

(05-03-2019 10:11 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(05-03-2019 08:49 AM)skyblade Wrote:  

(05-03-2019 07:48 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(05-02-2019 09:59 PM)bearcatjim Wrote:  Curtis was not going to get many minutes next year period. And he can’t shoot from outside which is what this team needs right now, so whatever. Next man in. Good luck, Samari. Enjoy watching us in the ncaa tourney on tv with your VA Tech buds.

Agree on this.

Not mad at him at all. I understand. This is what a coaching change looks like.

From what I read he was also entertaining schools like Wright State and Southern Illinois. This is Mick recruiting - projects.

As long as Brannen is good, we will be better long term that Curtis goes elsewhere. Right now warm body's might look good, but long term we are better off.

Kid was Mr. Ohio in hoops, Mick's 'big haul' and when the cards went on the table he was looking at Wright St, Southern Illinois and finally decided on Va Tech. Vat Tech is P5, but they are a perennial NIT program and middling type team most years. Not even close to UC's levels historically nor do they have the arena or fan support.

Not a huge loss and that isn't sour grapes. This next year will be interesting. Wondering if it looks a bit like AK's year here: short handed and scrapping for everything.



EDIT: I may have mis-spoken about Curtis looking at Wright State and Southern Illinois. That may have been another player we were looking at when Mick was still here. I don't want to put out mis-information and I'm too lazy to do the research.

So then I guess you take back what you've said about Wichita State and Houston having good recruiting classes coming in next year. After all, of their 8 combined recruits only one is barely higher rated (136) than Curtis (150).

I said WSU, UH, and Tulsa all had at least one 4* kid coming in. I got that information from the main AAC board. I could have read it wrong.You are welcome to go to the AAC main board and scroll through the data. There are guys there that tract/list recruits by school. I thought I saw that Tulsa, UH, and WSU (along with Memphis and UCONN) all had at lest 1 4* player (UCONN/Memphis has multiple and in Memphis' case, 5*). I'm not going to go try and find it. You are welcome to. Clearly only UCONN and Memphis have 'good' classes coming in, both being in the Top 20 (Memphis may end up #1).

And even if I didn't see that correctly, the fact that UH, WSU, and Tulsa DON'T have any 4* recruits doesn't in any way, shape or form mean UC shouldn't. If Memphis and UCONN are bringing in 4 and 5 star kids, UC should too. We are one of the big names in this conference.

The fact is, and the heart of this thing is, Mick was a crappy recruiter and you making excuses for him that the AAC was to blame is false as it hasn't seem to bother UCONN or Memphis.

So basically you don't really follow recruiting, but like to hate on Mick. From 247 Tulsa's highest rated 2019 recruit is 0.88, which is what LaQuill Hardnett was. Houston's highest rated is a 0.89 3 star, Rashawn Frederick's was 0.89. Wichita States highest rated is 0.93 (who they probably got because he is from Wichita), Samari is 0.925.

The two best coaches in our conference aren't consistently bringing in 4-stars. For our conference Samari was an excellent recruit. UConn (multiple recent NCAA titles) and Memphis (Penny) are currently the top of the conference in recruiting, but they are also recruiting on hopes and dreams as their coaches haven't proven anything yet.

yeah, basically