I may have completely missed your discussion on this. Sorry about that.

How on loving earth is this possible? A month and Dane hasn't signed his contract? Say what?!?!

Is he working without pay?

Has this delay hindered his ability or willingness to recruit?

Have the assistants signed their contracts?

A Recruitment Wavier Request? Huh! Oh man...


Go ahead and clear this up for me. Also, explain why, if signed, he is set to make a lot more than Tony.

https://wydaily.com/local-news/2019/04/3...-contract/

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Obviously I wish it was better press but this is the most I've ever seen the WY Daily engaged with Tribe Athletics. They've broke multiple stories in this firing/hiring saga.

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Dane getting paid more than Tony is interesting in two respects.

First, good to see that our head coach may not be underpaid. May be the first time that this has happened in my 40+ years of following Tribe sports.

Second, the combination of paying Tony’s buyout, combined with an increased pay structure in the head coach’s compensation package, makes this a pricey move.

I think we may be playing five ACC teams on the road this year to pay for this!

:-)

Things that make you go "Hmmm":

"The Recruitment Waiver Request states it is necessary for the filing party to show how the prospective hire “possessed a unique or specialized skill set” so Huge, either had to prove Fischer was uniquely qualified for the job and possessed a special skill set difficult to find or the department had circumstances of a “critical nature” which did not allow a broad search for a candidate."

(05-01-2019 05:40 AM)Paulbintheburg Wrote:  Things that make you go "Hmmm":

"The Recruitment Waiver Request states it is necessary for the filing party to show how the prospective hire “possessed a unique or specialized skill set” so Huge, either had to prove Fischer was uniquely qualified for the job and possessed a special skill set difficult to find or the department had circumstances of a “critical nature” which did not allow a broad search for a candidate."

If that doesn't tell you other candidates fell through and Huge was in panic mode...

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Our admissions office may be called upon to apply “waiver requests” for recruits who normally would not be admitted to prevent the dumpster fire from consuming the adjacent building.

(05-01-2019 05:40 AM)Paulbintheburg Wrote:  Things that make you go "Hmmm":

"The Recruitment Waiver Request states it is necessary for the filing party to show how the prospective hire “possessed a unique or specialized skill set” so Huge, either had to prove Fischer was uniquely qualified for the job and possessed a special skill set difficult to find or the department had circumstances of a “critical nature” which did not allow a broad search for a candidate."

I feel like we may be making more out of this than we should. I assume this is the process that has finally allowed us to no longer say "why are we having to wait xx days and VA Tech doesn't?". I think this is the way you get around that. I don't think it means we didn't do a search of multiple candidates or that we're making the claim that Dane is scary more qualified than other coaches, but that this is how we get around the red tape.

(05-01-2019 09:47 AM)wml33t Wrote:  

(05-01-2019 05:40 AM)Paulbintheburg Wrote:  Things that make you go "Hmmm":

"The Recruitment Waiver Request states it is necessary for the filing party to show how the prospective hire “possessed a unique or specialized skill set” so Huge, either had to prove Fischer was uniquely qualified for the job and possessed a special skill set difficult to find or the department had circumstances of a “critical nature” which did not allow a broad search for a candidate."

I feel like we may be making more out of this than we should. I assume this is the process that has finally allowed us to no longer say "why are we having to wait xx days and VA Tech doesn't?". I think this is the way you get around that. I don't think it means we didn't do a search of multiple candidates or that we're making the claim that Dane is scary more qualified than other coaches, but that this is how we get around the red tape.

I read it the same way. Our hiring rules are dumb and it's a good thing Huge is willing to work around them.

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Anyone recall us circumventing the rules to hire London?

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(05-01-2019 10:24 AM)Tribal Wrote:  Anyone recall us circumventing the rules to hire London?

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We had months to hire London. We had days / weeks to hire Dane.


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(05-01-2019 10:50 AM)ColonelEbirt Wrote:  

(05-01-2019 10:24 AM)Tribal Wrote:  Anyone recall us circumventing the rules to hire London?

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We had months to hire London. We had days / weeks to hire Dane.


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Valid point!

However, when was the decision made internally by the AD? Prior to the start of the regular season? During the regular season? After the conclusion of the regular season? That will tell you how much “time” we had to hire Dane, and more importantly, that will tell you how “well thought out” this process was.

Can’t answer that question at this time. I would be speculating. Anyone know?

(05-01-2019 11:31 AM)nj alum Wrote:  

(05-01-2019 10:50 AM)ColonelEbirt Wrote:  

(05-01-2019 10:24 AM)Tribal Wrote:  Anyone recall us circumventing the rules to hire London?

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We had months to hire London. We had days / weeks to hire Dane.


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Valid point!

However, when was the decision made internally by the AD? Prior to the start of the regular season? During the regular season? After the conclusion of the regular season? That will tell you how much “time” we had to hire Dane, and more importantly, that will tell you how “well thought out” this process was.

Can’t answer that question at this time. I would be speculating. Anyone know?

The waiver is about the posting requirements I believe. You can have valid complaints about some parts and not about others. With respect to the waiver, I believe it would have been in place no matter the hire because that is the most efficient way to hire a coach.

Wasn't the posting out right after she fired Tony?

Dane was already a Commonwealth of VA employee. Professors, teachers, social workers, etc transfer within VA on a daily basis. How much longer does it take for a coach?

And, what was the rush? Not like Dane was in a rush to sign his contract.

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(05-01-2019 12:13 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Wasn't the posting out right after she fired Tony?

Dane was already a Commonwealth of VA employee. Professors, teachers, social workers, etc transfer within VA on a daily basis. How much longer does it take for a coach?

And, what was the rush? Not like Dane was in a rush to sign his contract.

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The 30 day posting rules apply whether it's an internal transfer or not.

(05-01-2019 01:59 PM)wml33t Wrote:  

(05-01-2019 12:13 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Wasn't the posting out right after she fired Tony?

Dane was already a Commonwealth of VA employee. Professors, teachers, social workers, etc transfer within VA on a daily basis. How much longer does it take for a coach?

And, what was the rush? Not like Dane was in a rush to sign his contract.

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The 30 day posting rules apply whether it's an internal transfer or not.

Gotcha. I recall GMU hiring Paulsen just two weeks after they canned Hewitt. Must've pulled the same work around.

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(05-01-2019 02:11 PM)Tribal Wrote:  

(05-01-2019 01:59 PM)wml33t Wrote:  

(05-01-2019 12:13 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Wasn't the posting out right after she fired Tony?

Dane was already a Commonwealth of VA employee. Professors, teachers, social workers, etc transfer within VA on a daily basis. How much longer does it take for a coach?

And, what was the rush? Not like Dane was in a rush to sign his contract.

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The 30 day posting rules apply whether it's an internal transfer or not.

Gotcha. I recall GMU hiring Paulsen just two weeks after they canned Hewitt. Must've pulled the same work around.

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That’s my assumption as well.

Believe me... I have major frustrations with everything that has gone down, I just think this one specifically is a non-issue.


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It isn't unusual for it to take a while for contracts to be finalized and signed, so I don't think this is a big deal.

But, I do remember a coach who dragged his feet signing a contract and then did something the school didn't like, and they could just withdraw the contact offer and walk away.

I can't remember the specific coach or school, but for some reason I am thinking SEC and football, not that there is any funny business going on in the SEC....

(05-01-2019 03:27 PM)NC Tribe Wrote:  It isn't unusual for it to take a while for contracts to be finalized and signed, so I don't think this is a big deal.

But, I do remember a coach who dragged his feet signing a contract and then did something the school didn't like, and they could just withdraw the contact offer and walk away.

I can't remember the specific coach or school, but for some reason I am thinking SEC and football, not that there is any funny business going on in the SEC....

Mike Price (Alabama)?

(05-01-2019 12:13 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Wasn't the posting out right after she fired Tony?

Dane was already a Commonwealth of VA employee. Professors, teachers, social workers, etc transfer within VA on a daily basis. How much longer does it take for a coach?

And, what was the rush? Not like Dane was in a rush to sign his contract.

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Like I said "things that make you go Hmmmm"

I did my grad degree at A&M, and when Jimbo Fisher started there he didn’t sign his contract for a long time (well into the season I think). Not an issue.


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