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The College Football Playoff’s 4-team format isn’t going anywhere
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Quote:There’s an assumption that the College Football Playoff is guaranteed to move from its 4-team format to eight because, well, the only thing rich people like more than money is more money, and there’s certainly money to be made in expanding the Playoff. Every sport has expanded its playoff format at least once, including college football. The BCS began as a 4-bowl rotation in the 1998 season, and by 2006 the system added a standalone championship game that rotated among the four original bowl sites.

But the Playoff Expansion Crowd assumes one thing that shouldn’t be assumed: Someone — or, really, a lot of someones — has to actually make the change happen, and right now there’s zero desire for such a change.

SEC commissioner Greg Sankey spoke at an Associated Press Sports Editors gathering in Birmingham on Monday and affirmed his support for the 4-team format.





Of course, Sankey would say that. His conference is the only one to go 6-for-5 in placing teams in the field over the Playoff’s first half-decade of existence.

Setting aside the unlikelihood of expansion without support of the SEC, let’s see how Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott, whose league is 2-for-5 and has missed the field the past two seasons, feels.

“Most importantly the selection committee feels like the protocol works really well for them,” Scott told USA Today. “That’s one of the things we’re (evaluating). … Are there ambiguities around the data that are problematic, is there confusion, does the committee want more direction? I think (the Playoff’s selection criteria) has really stood the test of time very nicely.

“I mean, by design if you’ve got a committee of 13 highly competent, skilled people who come at things from different vantage points, it is a human decision and we are leaving them latitude. It was designed believing every year could be a little different and you need to leave appropriate latitude for (the committee) to make judgment calls.”

Quote:“After playing a rugged season, the last thing these great student athletes need is to play yet another football game,” South Carolina president Harris Pastides told 247Sports in March following a vote of SEC presidents in support of the 4-team format. “That is something I’m confident all five power conferences will be supportive of.”

Pastides cuts at the core issue of playoff expansion: How do you make it work? Either you push the season even further into January, which no one wants, or you begin the Playoff in the middle of December, which cuts into awards season, the early signing period, final exams, and the post-regular season mini-breather that has been built into college football’s schedule for as long as the sport’s been around.

An 8-team playoff would also require the championship teams to play a 16-game season — which, again, no one wants — or for conferences to eliminate their own championship games, which no one wants.
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The College Football Playoff’s 4-team format isn’t going anywhere
Yep, too many on here blowing smoke. It will be 4 for a long time, why, because it works.


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RE: The College Football Playoff’s 4-team format isn’t going anywhere
If they are sticking with 4 teams, the selection criteria needs to be tweaked to re-emphasize conference championships over selecting the 4 best teams. If you did not win your conference, you had your shot and don't "deserve" another one. 4 conference champions "deserve" the shot to play for the national championship. Runner-up do not.

2nd the rules for CCG need to be tweaked to allow conferences to get rid of its divisions if they want and let the conferences pick which 2 teams make the CCG however they want.
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RE: The College Football Playoff’s 4-team format isn’t going anywhere
(04-29-2019 02:10 PM)goofus Wrote:  If they are sticking with 4 teams, the selection criteria needs to be tweaked to re-emphasize conference championships over selecting the 4 best teams. If you did not win your conference, you had your shot and don't "deserve" another one. 4 conference champions "deserve" the shot to play for the national championship. Runner-up do not.

Disagree. If the four best teams aren't the ones playing for the national title then the championship is a sham.

Quote:2nd the rules for CCG need to be tweaked to allow conferences to get rid of its divisions if they want and let the conferences pick which 2 teams make the CCG however they want.
I do agree with this.
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RE: The College Football Playoff’s 4-team format isn’t going anywhere
It should be best 4 teams, It doesn't have to be 4 conference champions. I'm not wild about the Conference Championship Game, Division A isn't as good as Division B. Let's just get the best 2 teams in the conference play for them.
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If it stays at 4 can we still expand to an NY8?
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RE: The College Football Playoff’s 4-team format isn’t going anywhere
(04-29-2019 02:29 PM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  It should be best 4 teams, It doesn't have to be 4 conference champions. I'm not wild about the Conference Championship Game, Division A isn't as good as Division B. Let's just get the best 2 teams in the conference play for them.

I absolutely hate the division conference championship game.

In a perfect system you’d play everyone in your conference and whoever has the best records wins the league. 10 is still there perfect size.
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(04-29-2019 01:51 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Yep, too many on here blowing smoke. It will be 4 for a long time, why, because it works.


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Of course---2 "worked" as well. Now we know 4 is better. Zero reason to believe 8 would not "work" as just as well--and likely better. That said--anyone who expects expansion to 8 to occur prior to the end of the current 12 year deal doesn't really understand how adverse to change (even for the better) college football leadership really is.
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RE: The College Football Playoff’s 4-team format isn’t going anywhere
(04-29-2019 02:10 PM)goofus Wrote:  If they are sticking with 4 teams, the selection criteria needs to be tweaked to re-emphasize conference championships over selecting the 4 best teams. If you did not win your conference, you had your shot and don't "deserve" another one. 4 conference champions "deserve" the shot to play for the national championship. Runner-up do not.

2nd the rules for CCG need to be tweaked to allow conferences to get rid of its divisions if they want and let the conferences pick which 2 teams make the CCG however they want.
Agree with the divisions being eliminated. Maybe made sense having them pre-CFB era but not now. Top 2 teams of every conference need to be playing in all the conference Championship games.
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Contracts are set and plans developed for the 4 team playoff until 2025. Isn't that the year the Big 12 contracts end?
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(04-29-2019 03:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-29-2019 01:51 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Yep, too many on here blowing smoke. It will be 4 for a long time, why, because it works.


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Of course---2 "worked" as well. Now we know 4 is better. Zero reason to believe 8 would not "work" as just as well--and likely better. That said--anyone who expects expansion to 8 to occur prior to the end of the current 12 year deal doesn't really understand how adverse to change (even for the better) college football leadership really is.

I said it once and I'll say it again. The playoff will be expanded to 8 in the next 3 year cycle after a year in which both the SEC and Big 10 get left out.

Now it may be done before that, but the Big 10 who was adamantly opposed to expansion has changed their tune because their champ has been left at home for 3 years running.
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(04-29-2019 02:10 PM)goofus Wrote:  If they are sticking with 4 teams, the selection criteria needs to be tweaked to re-emphasize conference championships over selecting the 4 best teams. If you did not win your conference, you had your shot and don't "deserve" another one. 4 conference champions "deserve" the shot to play for the national championship. Runner-up do not.

The problem with this thinking is that, for no good reasons, it makes conference games more important than OOC games. E.g., imagine in a given year Iowa goes 11-1, including a win over Penn State, but their 1 loss keeps them out of the CCG, whereas Penn State goes 9-4, but wins the B1G.

It would be pretty silly to argue that PSU should *automatically* make the playoffs over Iowa, wouldn't it?
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Let the SEC miss out on the playoffs just one year ... and see how fast the SEC commish changes his tune. He'll be crying like a baby about expanding the playoff field.
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(04-29-2019 03:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(04-29-2019 03:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-29-2019 01:51 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Yep, too many on here blowing smoke. It will be 4 for a long time, why, because it works.


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Of course---2 "worked" as well. Now we know 4 is better. Zero reason to believe 8 would not "work" as just as well--and likely better. That said--anyone who expects expansion to 8 to occur prior to the end of the current 12 year deal doesn't really understand how adverse to change (even for the better) college football leadership really is.

I said it once and I'll say it again. The playoff will be expanded to 8 in the next 3 year cycle after a year in which both the SEC and Big 10 get left out.

Now it may be done before that, but the Big 10 who was adamantly opposed to expansion has changed their tune because their champ has been left at home for 3 years running.

I hope your right, but based on the rate of movement in the post season format to date (starting in 1990's), Im not nearly as optimistic as you are.
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The College Football Playoff’s 4-team format isn’t going anywhere
no time for 8?

Fine. The “committee” can nominate two at large and pick the top 6 conference champs.
Then from those 8 qualified teams let the fans vote it down to the final four.
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It is funny how concerned the Presidents are about student athletes when it comes to situations like this.

FCS plays 15 games (next year the championship teams will play 16) with no issues.
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(04-29-2019 03:57 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-29-2019 02:10 PM)goofus Wrote:  If they are sticking with 4 teams, the selection criteria needs to be tweaked to re-emphasize conference championships over selecting the 4 best teams. If you did not win your conference, you had your shot and don't "deserve" another one. 4 conference champions "deserve" the shot to play for the national championship. Runner-up do not.

The problem with this thinking is that, for no good reasons, it makes conference games more important than OOC games. E.g., imagine in a given year Iowa goes 11-1, including a win over Penn State, but their 1 loss keeps them out of the CCG, whereas Penn State goes 9-4, but wins the B1G.

It would be pretty silly to argue that PSU should *automatically* make the playoffs over Iowa, wouldn't it?

It would be hard to say without knowing more details, but it sounds like neither PSU nor Iowa deserves a spot in a 4 team playoff. If there are 4 other conference champs with better resumes than PSU, then both PSU and Iowa should be left out.

Just like last year in 2018, if they were emphasizing conference champs, and NW beat OSU, then NW still would have been left out behind Clem, Bama, Ok, and Wash or UCF over non-champs ND, Ohio St & Mich.
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(04-29-2019 03:49 PM)XLance Wrote:  Contracts are set and plans developed for the 4 team playoff until 2025. Isn't that the year the Big 12 contracts end?

It's D-Day within that full (2024-5) year for a lot of things. TV contracts for the PAC and Big12, their GORs, the SEC T1 is up the year before, Big 10 contract renewal falls, and the CFP.

It's either going to be a helluva mess, or a great opportunity for the network to line up some things for the future. I don't believe with the financial gains that the SEC and Big 10 will garner that it will be status quo for some major brands.

And a move to a P4 resolves some CFP issues potentially.

But everyone should be aware that depending upon which carriers or new carriers want to get involved that this thing could go down much earlier. I know CBS is wanting an early renewal with the SEC. ESPN might have some reasons to move early as well. We'll see.
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(04-29-2019 11:03 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  It is funny how concerned the Presidents are about student athletes when it comes to situations like this.

FCS plays 15 games (next year the championship teams will play 16) with no issues.

Qualifications to be a college president

1. Raise money

2. Make sure a successful football coach and successful men’s basketball coach are in place during your tenure

3. Keep faculty reasonably happy

4. Preach endlessly and eloquently about the value of higher education in a changing world

5. Raise money
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How P4 gonna work, 4 CCG
Reshuffle the deck, 4 quarter finals
Sounds like 3 straight weeks of Ohio St Mich to me
Players are gonna balk and tell u that your out of mind
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