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(05-02-2019 07:07 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Welcome to the bottom of the AAC. No Brooks, JC, Samari, RF and perhaps others. No assistants.

JB may be good long term but for the next 3 years we are ECU west.

I would place a friendly wager on this but I don't think you can afford to be at my betting window.
 
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(05-02-2019 07:47 PM)Romell Shorter Wrote:  
(05-02-2019 07:07 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Welcome to the bottom of the AAC. No Brooks, JC, Samari, RF and perhaps others. No assistants.

JB may be good long term but for the next 3 years we are ECU west.

I would place a friendly wager on this but I don't think you can afford to be at my betting window.
What would be your wager, just out of curiosity?
 
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(05-02-2019 07:07 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Welcome to the bottom of the AAC. No Brooks, JC, Samari, RF and perhaps others. No assistants.

JB may be good long term but for the next 3 years we are ECU west.

Step away from the ledge. Jarron is probably coming back since he didn't get a combine invite. Samari and RF would not have contributed much next year anyway. Brooks is the only person leaving that would have likely contributed next year, and he may decide yet to stay at UC.
 
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(05-02-2019 08:48 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  
(05-02-2019 07:07 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Welcome to the bottom of the AAC. No Brooks, JC, Samari, RF and perhaps others. No assistants.

JB may be good long term but for the next 3 years we are ECU west.

Step away from the ledge. Jarron is probably coming back since he didn't get a combine invite. Samari and RF would not have contributed much next year anyway. Brooks is the only person leaving that would have likely contributed next year, and he may decide yet to stay at UC.

It's not so much who is leaving, but that anyone is leaving. There must be something that they are hearing that they don't like.

I don't know any of these guys or what motivates them, but right now what is going on is not a good look.

Having said that, it's way too early to push the panic button. 1 or 2 impact guys could make a huge difference.
 
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(05-02-2019 10:04 PM)Dont tase me bro Wrote:  
(05-02-2019 08:48 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  
(05-02-2019 07:07 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Welcome to the bottom of the AAC. No Brooks, JC, Samari, RF and perhaps others. No assistants.

JB may be good long term but for the next 3 years we are ECU west.

Step away from the ledge. Jarron is probably coming back since he didn't get a combine invite. Samari and RF would not have contributed much next year anyway. Brooks is the only person leaving that would have likely contributed next year, and he may decide yet to stay at UC.

It's not so much who is leaving, but that anyone is leaving. There must be something that they are hearing that they don't like.

I don't know any of these guys or what motivates them, but right now what is going on is not a good look.

Having said that, it's way too early to push the panic button. 1 or 2 impact guys could make a huge difference.
That anyone is leaving? Dude, when a coach leaves, there are ALWAYS defections. We’ve lost one starter and one recruit. And one fringe upperclassman that was probably a bad fit anyway. And honestly, though it’s likely they’re gone, Nys and Samari could still stay.

In any case, some guys leaving was a forgone conclusion. The program is in good shape.
 
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What did you all think was going to happen? Please this is run-of-the-mill stuff when you have a coaching change. Whoever thought we were going to keep all the players and land 5 star recruits with our open schollies was flat out smokin’. Wake me up when we get some solid recruiting news.
 
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(05-02-2019 10:11 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  What did you all think was going to happen? Please this is run-of-the-mill stuff when you have a coaching change. Whoever thought we were going to keep all the players and land 5 star recruits with our open schollies was flat out smokin’. Wake me up when we get some solid recruiting news.

Exactly.
 
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(05-02-2019 10:04 PM)Dont tase me bro Wrote:  
(05-02-2019 08:48 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  
(05-02-2019 07:07 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Welcome to the bottom of the AAC. No Brooks, JC, Samari, RF and perhaps others. No assistants.

JB may be good long term but for the next 3 years we are ECU west.

Step away from the ledge. Jarron is probably coming back since he didn't get a combine invite. Samari and RF would not have contributed much next year anyway. Brooks is the only person leaving that would have likely contributed next year, and he may decide yet to stay at UC.

It's not so much who is leaving, but that anyone is leaving. There must be something that they are hearing that they don't like.

I don't know any of these guys or what motivates them, but right now what is going on is not a good look.

Having said that, it's way too early to push the panic button. 1 or 2 impact guys could make a huge difference.

You do realize players transfer from programs all the time, every year, regardless of a coaching change? Take a look at the transfer portal - there's a lot players listed. A 5 star recruit has asked out of his LOI from Duke. What's he hearing that he doesn't like? It happens.
 
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(05-02-2019 10:11 PM)bearcatjim Wrote:  
(05-02-2019 10:04 PM)Dont tase me bro Wrote:  
(05-02-2019 08:48 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  
(05-02-2019 07:07 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Welcome to the bottom of the AAC. No Brooks, JC, Samari, RF and perhaps others. No assistants.

JB may be good long term but for the next 3 years we are ECU west.

Step away from the ledge. Jarron is probably coming back since he didn't get a combine invite. Samari and RF would not have contributed much next year anyway. Brooks is the only person leaving that would have likely contributed next year, and he may decide yet to stay at UC.

It's not so much who is leaving, but that anyone is leaving. There must be something that they are hearing that they don't like.

I don't know any of these guys or what motivates them, but right now what is going on is not a good look.

Having said that, it's way too early to push the panic button. 1 or 2 impact guys could make a huge difference.
That anyone is leaving? Dude, when a coach leaves, there are ALWAYS defections. We’ve lost one starter and one recruit. And one fringe upperclassman that was probably a bad fit anyway. And honestly, though it’s likely they’re gone, Nys and Samari could still stay.

In any case, some guys leaving was a forgone conclusion. The program is in good shape.

I posted my response before I read yours. I wouldn't have otherwise.
 
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(05-02-2019 10:11 PM)bearcatjim Wrote:  
(05-02-2019 10:04 PM)Dont tase me bro Wrote:  
(05-02-2019 08:48 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  
(05-02-2019 07:07 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Welcome to the bottom of the AAC. No Brooks, JC, Samari, RF and perhaps others. No assistants.

JB may be good long term but for the next 3 years we are ECU west.

Step away from the ledge. Jarron is probably coming back since he didn't get a combine invite. Samari and RF would not have contributed much next year anyway. Brooks is the only person leaving that would have likely contributed next year, and he may decide yet to stay at UC.

It's not so much who is leaving, but that anyone is leaving. There must be something that they are hearing that they don't like.

I don't know any of these guys or what motivates them, but right now what is going on is not a good look.

Having said that, it's way too early to push the panic button. 1 or 2 impact guys could make a huge difference.
That anyone is leaving? Dude, when a coach leaves, there are ALWAYS defections. We’ve lost one starter and one recruit. And one fringe upperclassman that was probably a bad fit anyway. And honestly, though it’s likely they’re gone, Nys and Samari could still stay.

In any case, some guys leaving was a forgone conclusion. The program is in good shape.

ALWAYS? Are you sure about that? No one ever keeps a team intact? I find that very difficult to believe. Again, there is a reason they are leaving beyond some unwritten rule that you just made up.

I hope Brannen does not see the defections in the same way that you do. As foregone conclusions and no reason for concern. That would be dissapointing.
 
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(05-02-2019 10:18 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(05-02-2019 10:04 PM)Dont tase me bro Wrote:  
(05-02-2019 08:48 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  
(05-02-2019 07:07 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Welcome to the bottom of the AAC. No Brooks, JC, Samari, RF and perhaps others. No assistants.

JB may be good long term but for the next 3 years we are ECU west.

Step away from the ledge. Jarron is probably coming back since he didn't get a combine invite. Samari and RF would not have contributed much next year anyway. Brooks is the only person leaving that would have likely contributed next year, and he may decide yet to stay at UC.

It's not so much who is leaving, but that anyone is leaving. There must be something that they are hearing that they don't like.

I don't know any of these guys or what motivates them, but right now what is going on is not a good look.

Having said that, it's way too early to push the panic button. 1 or 2 impact guys could make a huge difference.

You do realize players transfer from programs all the time, every year, regardless of a coaching change? Take a look at the transfer portal - there's a lot players listed. A 5 star recruit has asked out of his LOI from Duke. What's he hearing that he doesn't like? It happens.

Not really concerned with what happens at other programs. I want Cincinnati to be better than all of them.
 
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(05-02-2019 10:54 PM)Dont tase me bro Wrote:  
(05-02-2019 10:18 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(05-02-2019 10:04 PM)Dont tase me bro Wrote:  It's not so much who is leaving, but that anyone is leaving. There must be something that they are hearing that they don't like.

I don't know any of these guys or what motivates them, but right now what is going on is not a good look.

Having said that, it's way too early to push the panic button. 1 or 2 impact guys could make a huge difference.

You do realize players transfer from programs all the time, every year, regardless of a coaching change? Take a look at the transfer portal - there's a lot players listed. A 5 star recruit has asked out of his LOI from Duke. What's he hearing that he doesn't like? It happens.

Not really concerned with what happens at other programs. I want Cincinnati to be better than all of them.

That's not my point. It's a given there is player movement during a coaching change. Some worse than others. It also happens when there isn't one. As other posts have mentioned, you're not being realistic if you think that the team would stay 100% intact. It's not a reflection on John Brannen. Pretty much a fact of today's game and the mindset of players.
 
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so we've gone from deflections to defections. i was pretty pumped about samari. just pulled up the 247 for the first time in awhile and he's listed as a prospect. sux, but yeah. we could be va tech. that program was abandoned. but just so we're clear, this is what everyone wanted
 
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Perhaps Garyn Prater will pull a Barwin next year?
 
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(05-02-2019 11:08 PM)Lush Wrote:  so we've gone from deflections to defections. i was pretty pumped about samari. just pulled up the 247 for the first time in awhile and he's listed as a prospect. sux, but yeah. we could be va tech. that program was abandoned. but just so we're clear, this is what everyone wanted

You are going to lose players with a coaching change. UC's problem is a really a combination of three different things:

1. Waiting for Jarron to stay or go.
2. UCLA's hiring process forced UC to hire a coach late in the game.
3. Cronin's current roster was basically a one man show the past season, so returning the majority of that roster without Jarron wouldn't be exciting.

Overall UC hasn't lost a lot of guys due to the coaching change but they haven't added anyone yet either which is a cause for concern. The PG need is desperate in my opinion as well as depth at the other guard spot. I am less concerned about front court replacements because you still have four true big guys on the roster.
 
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UC fans need to relax. We are going to just have to be patient and right now take a 'it is what it is" approach. Coaching changes are not easy. Memphis is a special situation because Penny was an NBA player in his home state/home town deeply involved in AAU. He brougth a full deck of cards with him. That isn't normal.

Additionally Micky went to UCLA since he was their 4432rd choice very very late in the game which didn't help us one bit.

I'm still very happy he's gone, wouldn't change it back to what we had before he left if I could. I'm fine with a tough year or two because I think in the long run we will be better off.
 
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On the one hand, with Cronin here we were set for a top 10-15 season - we still could if Brooks and Cumberland stay. The Cronin haters told us that Cronin can't recruit, can't develop players and can't coach. So naturally we should get better with a new coach. The Cronin haters also promised us that players would stay because Mick's style was boring and Brannen's is more exciting. Now we are recruiting the exact same type of players as Cronin went after (developmental players), but 2-stars instead of high 3/low 4 stars. People are saying that Curtis was barely a top 150 player, but some of them (Bearcats#1) praise the Houston and Wichita State recruiting classes with their best players being right in the same range as Curtis or worse.

On the other hand, you can't judge success or failure off the first year or even the first two years of a new coach. And if Brooks and Cumberland leave we are in better shape for the long term as our Sophomore's and Junior's will get a lot more playing time and more time to develop. This year will be worse, but next year we might be better. Brannen was brought in with a lot of handicaps - late in the season and with the previous coaching staff not doing much recruiting for this year due to having only one open scholarship. Now he has to try to pull some magic and so far it isn't happening.

Next years class will be the better representation of Brannen's recruiting ability. This year is all about keeping Brooks and hoping Cumberland comes back. Barring complete collapse (a below .500 season), Brannen should get the benefit of the doubt for at least a year and probably two years.
 
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(05-03-2019 07:52 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  UC fans need to relax. We are going to just have to be patient and right now take a 'it is what it is" approach. Coaching changes are not easy. Memphis is a special situation because Penny was an NBA player in his home state/home town deeply involved in AAU. He brougth a full deck of cards with him. That isn't normal.

Additionally Micky went to UCLA since he was their 4432rd choice very very late in the game which didn't help us one bit.

I'm still very happy he's gone, wouldn't change it back to what we had before he left if I could. I'm fine with a tough year or two because I think in the long run we will be better off.

Hey guys, relax, the next year or two will be tough? Wonderful.

If Cumberland returns, this is still a talented enough roster. I can imagine that changing systems might involve growing pains, but there are also plenty of examples of new coaches doing well with another guy's players. By all accounts, Brannen is a good coach. This will be the best talent he's ever had as a head coach and it's probably better than any he had as an assistant too. If Cumberland goes, all bets are off, but if he's back, there is no reason to expect this coming season to be that tough.
 
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Yeah, I'm not sure why people are shocked that there are going to be rough patches...we're literally doing a 180 degree turn on philosophy from the last decade+.
 
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(05-02-2019 07:07 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Welcome to the bottom of the AAC. No Brooks, JC, Samari, RF and perhaps others. No assistants.

JB may be good long term but for the next 3 years we are ECU west.

I don't understand why i come here when there are people who actually believe stuff like this. Maybe Doss is trolling. Idk, i should probably know him well enough by now...All I know is that conference realignment made me addicted to the board and I can't kick it.

Guys, we are ******* fine. Good god. For the past 13 seasons we have all been sheltered from some of the harsh realities of big time college basketball.
But this program isn't going anywhere. I'm so over the sky is falling, let's throw in the towel, zip it up and go home attitudes some of ya'll maintain.

Posters: MICK CAN'T RECRUIT MICK CAN'T RECRUIT.
UC: *Loses some Mick recruits*
Posters: HOW WILL WE EVER BE ABLE TO GO ON?!?!?!

Jarron is the only guy anyone should be concerned about. IMO i put him about 85% chance of coming back...but if he leaves, THEN we can all ***** and moan for a year. But until then, ******* BREATHE guys. UC is gonna be fine.
 
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