By FBS Conference

SEC: 64
Big Ten: 40
Pac-12: 33
ACC: 28
Big 12: 26
AAC: 11
Mountain West: 10
MAC: 9
Independent: 8
C-USA: 6
SBC: 1

By CFB Level

P5: 191
G5: 37
FCS: 7
Division II: 5

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...-selected/

The G5 has about 20 percent of the total players in the NFL draft but only 1 spot out of 12 in the CFP.

It would only be fair if expanding to an NY8 to give the G5 a second CFP slot. 2 spots out of 16 is more representational and makes the G5 CCG more of a play-in with more teams in the CCG going in with a realistic shot at an access bowl.

As bad as the Pac-12 was they managed 3rd in terms of NFL draftees. Really bad year for the ACC, which fell to 4th.

(04-28-2019 09:42 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  As bad as the Pac-12 was they managed 3rd in terms of NFL draftees. Really bad year for the ACC, which fell to 4th.

Clemsons' emergence as a mega-team has hidden (and might have caused) some ACC hollowing-out. It wasn't a bad year for them on the field or draft board (LOL), but yes, for the rest ...

As for the PAC, that's coaching. Had e.g. Bob Davie been the coach of Alabama or Clemson, they would have probably each gone 9-3, despite all the talent. Coaching matters so much in CF. Yes, you need talent. Dabo or Saban couldn't win a game in the SEC or ACC with McNeese State's talent, but on the other hand, in the early 1980s, Notre Dame had loads of talent under Gerry Faust, and went 6-5 each year.

(04-28-2019 09:46 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-28-2019 09:42 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  As bad as the Pac-12 was they managed 3rd in terms of NFL draftees. Really bad year for the ACC, which fell to 4th.

Clemsons' emergence as a mega-team has hidden (and might have caused) some ACC hollowing-out. It wasn't a bad year for them on the field or draft board (LOL), but yes, for the rest ...

I dunno. What about Syracuse's reemergence?

It definitely isn't like the Utah/BYU/TCU hallowing out of the MWC where the others sans Air Force did nothing for a decade.

Hmmm, 5 D2 schools.

U. of Charleston to the Big South.
Valdosta State to A-SUN/Big South
Sioux Falls to Summitt/MVFC
Washburn Summitt/MVFC
Tarleton State WAC/Independent

D2 have produce some pro players. Arkansas Tech had QB Tanner Marsh playing for the CFL a few years ago.

Wow, only David. In a thread about the NFL draft he somehow manages to post his fantasy D2-to-D1 call-ups.

Tanner Marsh has done well but he is not the first from ATU to play in the NFL or the CFL.

Who cares about the CFL?!

The ACC's problem is primarily a Coastal division problem. The Atlantic division produced 18 draft picks; the Coastal, only 10 (with half of those coming from Miami; the other 6 teams combined for just 5 picks).

My team really hit rock bottom. Not only was this the first season in 25 years that Virginia Tech failed to have a player drafted, but to add insult to injury Old Dominion had TWO players selected. Obviously, that's unacceptable!

(04-28-2019 09:01 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  The G5 has about 20 percent of the total players in the NFL draft but only 1 spot out of 12 in the CFP.

It would only be fair if expanding to an NY8 to give the G5 a second CFP slot. 2 spots out of 16 is more representational and makes the G5 CCG more of a play-in with more teams in the CCG going in with a realistic shot at an access bowl.

It wouldn't be "fair". It would be contrived. There is no connection between the draft and the CFP, nor should there be.

If there were 16 NY8 bowl slots (including CFP semis) then the G5 should get as many spots as they have teams ranked among the Top 16.

Any NAIA schools?

Adjusted for conference size, per-school

SEC: 64 4.6
Big Ten: 40 2.9
Pac-12: 33 2.8
Big 12: 26 2.6
ACC: 28 2.0
Independent: 8 1.6
AAC: 11 0.9
Mountain West: 10 0.9
MAC: 9 0.8
C-USA: 6 0.4
SBC: 1 0.1

(04-28-2019 09:01 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  The G5 has about 20 percent of the total players in the NFL draft but only 1 spot out of 12 in the CFP.

It would only be fair if expanding to an NY8 to give the G5 a second CFP slot. 2 spots out of 16 is more representational and makes the G5 CCG more of a play-in with more teams in the CCG going in with a realistic shot at an access bowl.

The G5 has one spot out of 6 in the CFP. There are only 6 guaranteed spots in the CFP/NY6. The other six are at-large spots that have to be earned.

Remember, just because you don't get in to something doesn't mean it is biased against you. E.g., USC and Michigan haven't made the playoffs, but not because the selection process is biased against them.

Tennessee had the #4 recruiting class for 2015. The Vols had no one drafted 4 years later.

#recruitingrankings

(04-29-2019 09:11 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Tennessee had the #4 recruiting class for 2015. The Vols had no one drafted 4 years later.

#recruitingrankings

They were the only SEC team shut out. Everyone else had at least 2 players drafted.

8 other P5 teams were shut out: Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, Louisville, California, Oregon State, Kansas, Nebraska and Purdue.

How about a 4-year running total?

Saw this today (per capita is per school annual average)




The 2019 numbers are very close to these, except SEC is even higher:

SEC 4.507
B1G 2.786
P12 2.750
B12 2.700
ACC 2.267

No G5 conference even averages 1 per school. Further their players tend not to be underclassmen, but almost always Seniors -- this means late bloomers or transfers (some of these are transfers are from P5 schools, where they did not play as Freshmen and Sophomores or didn't like their roles). The turnover rate is less than 3 years for an NFL prospect at the P5 level; meaning they are recruiting them at almost 5x the rate of G5. Nothing has changed in the last decade, or rather even more of the prospects, especially top 100 picks (over 90%) are skewing P5.

Many of the G5 NFL prospects are late bloomers, guys who develop NFL level potential a couple years after High School, and so they are almost random (you had one from San Jose State!). This is why they fell through the proverbial cracks and were not recruited. I remember one AAC player drafted (forget who), they said he was a "zero star recruit" on the draft show.

(04-29-2019 12:20 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Saw this today (per capita is per school annual average)



No G5 conference even averages 1 per school.

And now, Paul Harvey with the rest of the story....

The American was not around in 2010. The AAC has had 11, 18, 15, 10, 11 and 12 draft picks over six seasons. That's 77 total.

The AAC had 10 teams in 2013, 11 in 2014, and 12 ever since. That's 69 teams total.

So the American is averaging 1.11 draft picks per team. Over the same period, the MWC averages 0.88. That's 26% more, about the same edge the SEC has over the Big 10, or the edge the Big 10 has over the Big 12.

Houston has had 10 draft picks in the last 4 years. Source.. So we must have recruited at a P5 level the last few years.

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(04-29-2019 12:40 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(04-29-2019 12:20 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Saw this today (per capita is per school annual average)



No G5 conference even averages 1 per school.

And now, Paul Harvey with the rest of the story....

The American was not around in 2010. The AAC has had 11, 18, 15, 10, 11 and 12 draft picks over six seasons. That's 77 total.

The AAC had 10 teams in 2013, 11 in 2014, and 12 ever since. That's 69 teams total.

So the American is averaging 1.11 draft picks per team. Over the same period, the MWC averages 0.88. That's 26% more, about the same edge the SEC has over the Big 10, or the edge the Big 10 has over the Big 12.

Houston has had 10 draft picks in the last 4 years. Source.. So we must have recruited at a P5 level the last few years.

No, the G5 schools are not recruiting at a P5 level in football. The highest ranking G5 school in the 2019 247sports.com football recruiting was Boise State at #50. G5 schools compete against each other. A school may occasionally win a battle with a power conference school for a recruit, but most times a G5 school is looking for the late bloomers and players that were not offered by power conference schools. In the 2018 NFL draft, eight of the first forty players drafted were from G5 schools:

7) Josh Allen - Played high school ball in Firebaugh, California. Spent a year at Reedley Community College. Had offers from Wyoming and Eastern Michigan.

14) Marcus Davenport - Played high school ball in San Antonio. Had offers from UTSA and UNLV.

18) Leighton Vander Esch - Played eight man football in Riggins, Idaho and had no offers. Walked on at Boise State.

27) Rashaad Penny - Played high school ball in Norwalk, California. Had seven offers, all to MWC schools, decided on San Diego State.

30) Mike Hughes - From New Bern, NC. Signed with North Carolina, had some issues at school, transferred to Garden City Community college for a year before transferring to UCF. He was at UCF for one season.

33) Austin Corbett - From Sparks, Nevada. Had zero D1 offers, walked on at Nevada.

34) Will Hernandez - Played his high school ball in Las Vegas, Nevada. USC and Arizona were interested in him, but backed away due to academic issues. He ended up at UTEP, his only offer.

40) Courtland Sutton - A three star safety from Brenham, Texas. Had offers to nine schools, including Colorado and Washington State. He was going to attend Colorado, but they pulled the offer at the last minute. He decided to attend SMU.

I think the 2018 NFL draft illustrates that you are not really competing with P5 schools, but you can still get a lot of players drafted, like Houston has. San Diego State has had 18 players drafted over the last nine seasons. Boise State has had 22 players over the past nine seasons. Even San Jose State has had eight players drafted over the past seven seasons. The players are out there, you just need to find and develop them. But you are not competing with P5 schools for these players.

(04-29-2019 05:49 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The ACC's problem is primarily a Coastal division problem. The Atlantic division produced 18 draft picks; the Coastal, only 10 (with half of those coming from Miami; the other 6 teams combined for just 5 picks).

My team really hit rock bottom. Not only was this the first season in 25 years that Virginia Tech failed to have a player drafted, but to add insult to injury Old Dominion had TWO players selected. Obviously, that's unacceptable!

The bright side is 25 years straight is a hell of a run. VT will be back soon, you know that!