(04-30-2019 05:58 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(04-30-2019 09:12 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  I’m making the point that some of the posters are determining who is a Christian and who is not by their acts. I agree like everyone else that the acts in the OP are horrific. However, they have no ground to stand on in determining who is more “Christiany” when not only do they commit sins daily but make excuses for our POTUS who commits sins and brags about them. It’s very phony.

This actually shows that you have a poor understanding of 'Christianity.

First, there is a difference between having an opinion and standing in judgement.
Second, there are many denominations in Christianty who believe just that... that you will be known by your actions

Finally, I don't think Trump is really much of a Christian, but that doesn't mean he doesn't believe in God and respect those who are (which I think is closer to his claim... and he falls short there also)... best I know, he hasn't walked into a synagogue and shot a bunch of people... so while he isn't much of a Christian, he's still 'more redeemable' than this dude.

I think Trump is ruled by the flesh and ego. I think this guy is a nut job.

I’ll play the devil’s advocate. My point was that those standing in judgment know that Trump broke 4-5 commandments while this nut job broke 1 (that they know).

(04-30-2019 07:13 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(04-30-2019 05:58 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(04-30-2019 09:12 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  I’m making the point that some of the posters are determining who is a Christian and who is not by their acts. I agree like everyone else that the acts in the OP are horrific. However, they have no ground to stand on in determining who is more “Christiany” when not only do they commit sins daily but make excuses for our POTUS who commits sins and brags about them. It’s very phony.

This actually shows that you have a poor understanding of 'Christianity.

First, there is a difference between having an opinion and standing in judgement.
Second, there are many denominations in Christianty who believe just that... that you will be known by your actions

Finally, I don't think Trump is really much of a Christian, but that doesn't mean he doesn't believe in God and respect those who are (which I think is closer to his claim... and he falls short there also)... best I know, he hasn't walked into a synagogue and shot a bunch of people... so while he isn't much of a Christian, he's still 'more redeemable' than this dude.

I think Trump is ruled by the flesh and ego. I think this guy is a nut job.

I’ll play the devil’s advocate. My point was that those standing in judgment know that Trump broke 4-5 commandments while this nut job broke 1 (that they know).

So what lots of people do.

(04-30-2019 07:13 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  I’ll play the devil’s advocate. My point was that those standing in judgment know that Trump broke 4-5 commandments while this nut job broke 1 (that they know).

You completely ignored my 'first'.

If you read this kid by the same lens as we do Trump, he's broken far more than one: He has clearly not honored his parents, clearly murdered, clearly not kept the sabbath holy... probably more

But Christianity is not about the relative weight of sins, but more whether or not you admit to them. (I'm clearly over-simplifying) This guy clearly thinks he's doing God's will by killing people, which is directly and undeniably counter to Christ's teachings. You can't be directly counter to His teachings and be a Christian.

I am not a student of religion as some are... but I find it pretty hypocritical for people to stand in judgement of others... chastising them for standing in judgement. If you don't believe in these things, that's fine... but apparently you believe enough in them to TRY and use them as a weapon against others.

(04-30-2019 07:49 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(04-30-2019 07:13 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  I’ll play the devil’s advocate. My point was that those standing in judgment know that Trump broke 4-5 commandments while this nut job broke 1 (that they know).

You completely ignored my 'first'.

If you read this kid by the same lens as we do Trump, he's broken far more than one: He has clearly not honored his parents, clearly murdered, clearly not kept the sabbath holy... probably more

But Christianity is not about the relative weight of sins, but more whether or not you admit to them. (I'm clearly over-simplifying) This guy clearly thinks he's doing God's will by killing people, which is directly and undeniably counter to Christ's teachings. You can't be directly counter to His teachings and be a Christian.

I am not a student of religion as some are... but I find it pretty hypocritical for people to stand in judgement of others... chastising them for standing in judgement. If you don't believe in these things, that's fine... but apparently you believe enough in them to TRY and use them as a weapon against others.

I will stand in judgement of those who stand in judgement of others in a minute. I'm a karma vigilante like that.

Matthew 7:15-20
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.



Their is a big difference between discernment and judgment. We discern, God will on judge on that day.

Thanks for the kind words, guys. I typically don't feel the need to respond to personal attacks from some people, so I didn't. Their own words speak for themselves. I forgive them and pray He forgives them as well.

Matthew 5:10-12
"Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. "Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. "Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

(04-30-2019 07:58 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(04-30-2019 07:49 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(04-30-2019 07:13 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  I’ll play the devil’s advocate. My point was that those standing in judgment know that Trump broke 4-5 commandments while this nut job broke 1 (that they know).

You completely ignored my 'first'.

If you read this kid by the same lens as we do Trump, he's broken far more than one: He has clearly not honored his parents, clearly murdered, clearly not kept the sabbath holy... probably more

But Christianity is not about the relative weight of sins, but more whether or not you admit to them. (I'm clearly over-simplifying) This guy clearly thinks he's doing God's will by killing people, which is directly and undeniably counter to Christ's teachings. You can't be directly counter to His teachings and be a Christian.

I am not a student of religion as some are... but I find it pretty hypocritical for people to stand in judgement of others... chastising them for standing in judgement. If you don't believe in these things, that's fine... but apparently you believe enough in them to TRY and use them as a weapon against others.

I will stand in judgement of those who stand in judgement of others in a minute. I'm a karma vigilante like that.

A self appointed moral arbiter, just what we need.

The idea that you will be PERFECT and never sin again in the flesh or in the heart once you are saved is an absolute lie and a total contradiction of scripture. Even Paul admitted He struggled against the flesh and sometimes did things he did not want to do. John wrote about this as well. We are to live Holy and follow Christs teachings and commandments, but we are NOT perfected in our flesh and ALL Christians will war against the flesh as long as they are alive.

1 John 1:8- 2:1

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

(04-30-2019 07:58 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  I will stand in judgement of those who stand in judgement of others in a minute. I'm a karma vigilante like that.

You strike me more as the karma chameleon type.





Nobody is scared of a vigilante with a room temperature IQ and zero sense of humor.

(04-30-2019 08:17 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(04-30-2019 07:58 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(04-30-2019 07:49 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(04-30-2019 07:13 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  I’ll play the devil’s advocate. My point was that those standing in judgment know that Trump broke 4-5 commandments while this nut job broke 1 (that they know).

You completely ignored my 'first'.

If you read this kid by the same lens as we do Trump, he's broken far more than one: He has clearly not honored his parents, clearly murdered, clearly not kept the sabbath holy... probably more

But Christianity is not about the relative weight of sins, but more whether or not you admit to them. (I'm clearly over-simplifying) This guy clearly thinks he's doing God's will by killing people, which is directly and undeniably counter to Christ's teachings. You can't be directly counter to His teachings and be a Christian.

I am not a student of religion as some are... but I find it pretty hypocritical for people to stand in judgement of others... chastising them for standing in judgement. If you don't believe in these things, that's fine... but apparently you believe enough in them to TRY and use them as a weapon against others.

I will stand in judgement of those who stand in judgement of others in a minute. I'm a karma vigilante like that.

A self appointed moral arbiter, just what we need.

Strong leadership.

(04-30-2019 07:58 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(04-30-2019 07:49 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(04-30-2019 07:13 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  I’ll play the devil’s advocate. My point was that those standing in judgment know that Trump broke 4-5 commandments while this nut job broke 1 (that they know).

You completely ignored my 'first'.

If you read this kid by the same lens as we do Trump, he's broken far more than one: He has clearly not honored his parents, clearly murdered, clearly not kept the sabbath holy... probably more

But Christianity is not about the relative weight of sins, but more whether or not you admit to them. (I'm clearly over-simplifying) This guy clearly thinks he's doing God's will by killing people, which is directly and undeniably counter to Christ's teachings. You can't be directly counter to His teachings and be a Christian.

I am not a student of religion as some are... but I find it pretty hypocritical for people to stand in judgement of others... chastising them for standing in judgement. If you don't believe in these things, that's fine... but apparently you believe enough in them to TRY and use them as a weapon against others.

I will stand in judgement of those who stand in judgement of others in a minute. I'm a karma vigilante like that.

which only proves my original claim as well.

You could have saved yourself a lot of time by simply saying 'You're right on all counts Hambone"