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RE: Dabo signed a contract extension--highest paid college football coach
Partly, it's a value proposition for Clemson. Dabo has not achieved a Saban level of success, but he's worth the money to Clemson because he is quite likely the best coach they've ever had.

Winning national titles has never been something regular at Clemson even though they have a strong history of performance. So it's not necessarily a matter of what Dabo is worth on the open market as much as it is a matter of what is Dabo worth to Clemson.

With that said, he is a good bit younger than Saban. So projecting out, it is not unreasonable to say he has a chance to at least match Saban over the course of his career.
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RE: Dabo signed a contract extension--highest paid college football coach
(04-27-2019 10:41 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Partly, it's a value proposition for Clemson. Dabo has not achieved a Saban level of success, but he's worth the money to Clemson because he is quite likely the best coach they've ever had.

Winning national titles has never been something regular at Clemson even though they have a strong history of performance. So it's not necessarily a matter of what Dabo is worth on the open market as much as it is a matter of what is Dabo worth to Clemson.

With that said, he is a good bit younger than Saban. So projecting out, it is not unreasonable to say he has a chance to at least match Saban over the course of his career.

Right and a potential move to Alabama is going to depend on how he finishes the year the job is open.

If Dabo starts to let the program slide to 9 or 10 wins he will be more than happy to try and revitalize as the Alabama coach. If he's still on the top of the world when Saban retires he might not be as inclined to leave his own legacy.
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RE: Dabo signed a contract extension--highest paid college football coach
Clemson went 20 years without double digit wins (1991-2010).

They’re now on 55 wins in 4 years (13.75 avg) and 8 straight double digit wins (2011-present) with 2 national titles.

What Dabo’s done is more impressive than Saban when you consider Alabama had 8 top-11 finishes in the 18 years preceding him and Clemson had none in the 18 years preceding Dabo.

Dabo has turned a non-blueblood into a dynasty. That hasn’t been done since Duffy Daugherty in the 60s.
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Agree on Dabo but any program with a 75,000+ seater is a blueblood.

Beamer at Virginia Tech turned a mid tier FBS program into a national power. Briles at Baylor was an impressive rise. Don't forget Patterson at TCU turning a lower tier FBS program into the next Virginia Tech.
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RE: Dabo signed a contract extension--highest paid college football coach
(04-27-2019 10:26 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(04-27-2019 09:03 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(04-26-2019 12:13 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  116-30 (.890) Overall
2 Natty's over the past 3 seasons
2-1 Against Nick Saban in Championship Game
Sky's the limit...

Yep, he's earned it.

Saban's earned it. Dabo isn't in that category yet. Call back in 10 years.

That's not the way coaches' salaries go, but he is not in Saban's category yet. Nobody has had Saban's success.

Saban's earned it for sure but who outside of Dabo has had this CURRENT level of success? No one. Dabo's being paid not only on what he's done in just the past several years but what he is PROJECTED to do in the years to come. Is there a hotter coach right now in all of college football? That's what he's being paid for or at least the justification for it. This is $$$big business$$$ now whether we like it or not. If I'm Clemson - I pay the man!

Like I said, coaches' salaries don't go on what they have done.
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(04-27-2019 11:03 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  Agree on Dabo but any program with a 75,000+ seater is a blueblood.

Beamer at Virginia Tech turned a mid tier FBS program into a national power. Briles at Baylor was an impressive rise. Don't forget Patterson at TCU turning a lower tier FBS program into the next Virginia Tech.

I wouldn't describe them as a blue blood, but they were in that next tier (Clemson, Texas A&M, Washington, etc.) after the blue bloods and the SEC schools like Georgia and Tennessee.
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RE: Dabo signed a contract extension--highest paid college football coach
(04-27-2019 12:14 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(04-27-2019 11:03 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  Agree on Dabo but any program with a 75,000+ seater is a blueblood.

Beamer at Virginia Tech turned a mid tier FBS program into a national power. Briles at Baylor was an impressive rise. Don't forget Patterson at TCU turning a lower tier FBS program into the next Virginia Tech.

I wouldn't describe them as a blue blood, but they were in that next tier (Clemson, Texas A&M, Washington, etc.) after the blue bloods and the SEC schools like Georgia and Tennessee.

To me you are also a blueblood that in a year where you are down you'll still get 4 star signings.

Its a tier 25 or so programs are in, including the ones you mention above. In a down year they still have more talent on their roster than a second tier P5 program and any G5.
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RE: Dabo signed a contract extension--highest paid college football coach
(04-27-2019 12:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(04-27-2019 10:26 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(04-27-2019 09:03 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(04-26-2019 12:13 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  116-30 (.890) Overall
2 Natty's over the past 3 seasons
2-1 Against Nick Saban in Championship Game
Sky's the limit...

Yep, he's earned it.

Saban's earned it. Dabo isn't in that category yet. Call back in 10 years.

That's not the way coaches' salaries go, but he is not in Saban's category yet. Nobody has had Saban's success.

Saban's earned it for sure but who outside of Dabo has had this CURRENT level of success? No one. Dabo's being paid not only on what he's done in just the past several years but what he is PROJECTED to do in the years to come. Is there a hotter coach right now in all of college football? That's what he's being paid for or at least the justification for it. This is $$$big business$$$ now whether we like it or not. If I'm Clemson - I pay the man!

Like I said, coaches' salaries don't go on what they have done.

Respectfully to you, that makes no sense. How can you pay someone moving forward if you don't account for recent performance? I'm not talking about the past 10 years, I'm talking about Dabo getting a reward for winning 2 out of the last 3 national championships.
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RE: Dabo signed a contract extension--highest paid college football coach
Applications have skyrocketed in the past seven years, and 97% of all scholarship seniors under Swinney have graduated with a degree from Clemson University. Well worth the money.


People who think it's automatic that Dabo is going to leave Clemson for Alabama need to consider one thing....Alabama unceremoniously fired Dabo when he was an assistant and he was out of coaching until Clemson gave him a chance. He's now been at Clemson longer than he was at Alabama. His kids grew up in Clemson, not Tuscaloosa. His family lives in Clemson, not Alabama.
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RE: Dabo signed a contract extension--highest paid college football coach
(04-27-2019 01:40 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(04-27-2019 12:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(04-27-2019 10:26 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(04-27-2019 09:03 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(04-26-2019 12:13 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  116-30 (.890) Overall
2 Natty's over the past 3 seasons
2-1 Against Nick Saban in Championship Game
Sky's the limit...

Yep, he's earned it.

Saban's earned it. Dabo isn't in that category yet. Call back in 10 years.

That's not the way coaches' salaries go, but he is not in Saban's category yet. Nobody has had Saban's success.

Saban's earned it for sure but who outside of Dabo has had this CURRENT level of success? No one. Dabo's being paid not only on what he's done in just the past several years but what he is PROJECTED to do in the years to come. Is there a hotter coach right now in all of college football? That's what he's being paid for or at least the justification for it. This is $$$big business$$$ now whether we like it or not. If I'm Clemson - I pay the man!

Like I said, coaches' salaries don't go on what they have done.

Respectfully to you, that makes no sense. How can you pay someone moving forward if you don't account for recent performance? I'm not talking about the past 10 years, I'm talking about Dabo getting a reward for winning 2 out of the last 3 national championships.

Look at how many hot young OCs and DCs who have never been a head coach get huge salaries.

Coaches salaries tend to be based on what they perceive you will be.
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(04-27-2019 09:41 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Applications have skyrocketed in the past seven years, and 97% of all scholarship seniors under Swinney have graduated with a degree from Clemson University. Well worth the money.


People who think it's automatic that Dabo is going to leave Clemson for Alabama need to consider one thing....Alabama unceremoniously fired Dabo when he was an assistant and he was out of coaching until Clemson gave him a chance. He's now been at Clemson longer than he was at Alabama. His kids grew up in Clemson, not Tuscaloosa. His family lives in Clemson, not Alabama.

It's not automatic, but it's certainly plausible and the special buyout indicates it's a distinct possibility.

Also, it's not really accurate to say he was unceremoniously fired. That entire staff was let go because Mike Dubose was such an unmitigated disaster. There was the specter of NCAA sanctions and Franchione was given the freedom to pick his staff, as any head coach should have.

But let's consider a couple of things. When Dabo was let go, what did he do? Well, he didn't leave the state and instead went to work for his old strength coach turned businessman Rich Wingo, also an Alabama alumnus. Just as an aside, Wingo is now in the Legislature, but that's neither here nor there. Anyway, point being that Alabama guys tend to take care of each other.

Let's also consider this, who gave Dabo a shot to get back into coaching? Was it Clemson or was it Tommy Bowden? Bowden was Dabo's position coach back at Alabama and knew him well. Bowden is the one who called him up and gave him a shot.

Who was fired by Clemson? Tommy Bowden. Who replaced the guy that gave him a shot? Dabo Swinney. One thing that coaches tend to know is that college football is a very tough business.

While Dabo has certainly coached longer at Clemson, that doesn't mean that's where his roots are. He grew up in Shelby County, walked on at Alabama, won a national title with Stallings, and was a GA and assistant here. He's been back to visit plenty of times and has always been welcomed.

I certainly wouldn't blame Dabo if he stayed at Clemson. He's got a great thing going and I'll always be a fan of his no matter what. With that said, it makes plenty of sense that he would come back to Alabama if the situation was right.
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(04-27-2019 09:41 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Applications have skyrocketed in the past seven years, and 97% of all scholarship seniors under Swinney have graduated with a degree from Clemson University. Well worth the money.


People who think it's automatic that Dabo is going to leave Clemson for Alabama need to consider one thing....Alabama unceremoniously fired Dabo when he was an assistant and he was out of coaching until Clemson gave him a chance. He's now been at Clemson longer than he was at Alabama. His kids grew up in Clemson, not Tuscaloosa. His family lives in Clemson, not Alabama.

I don't assume Dabo will leave for Alabama (or anywhere else) at all. He has a great situation at Clemson. The ACC is soft, so he has a Bowden-in-the-90s like path to the playoffs. And he's built an incredible machine at Clemson.

As long as Clemson gives him everything he wants, and they will, I think he stays.
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Could Dabo get Clemson into the SEC....

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I don't know why Dabo would leave Clemson with the way he has that program humming along. If he does leave, it would be for the NFL because of the desire for a new challenge. He's only 49. Let that sink in...
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(04-28-2019 01:07 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  I don't know why Dabo would leave Clemson with the way he has that program humming along. If he does leave, it would be for the NFL because of the desire for a new challenge. He's only 49. Let that sink in...

Dabo loves recruiting too much to go to the NFL.

Besides, the NFL wouldn't let him be anywhere near as open about his faith.
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(04-28-2019 03:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(04-28-2019 01:07 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  I don't know why Dabo would leave Clemson with the way he has that program humming along. If he does leave, it would be for the NFL because of the desire for a new challenge. He's only 49. Let that sink in...

Dabo loves recruiting too much to go to the NFL.

Besides, the NFL wouldn't let him be anywhere near as open about his faith.

I think you're correct Kap. That said, he ain't going anywhere soon and Clemson Tiger Nation can be ready for more Natty opportunities.
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I see Dabo doing the smart thing and waiting until whomever follows Saban gets kicked to the curb.
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(04-29-2019 09:34 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I see Dabo doing the smart thing and waiting until whomever follows Saban gets kicked to the curb.

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