(04-25-2019 12:27 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-25-2019 12:25 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  1. Who cares what the MWC thinks. Their deal will be less than half what we got with much worse exposure and time slots that only the living dead will ever see.

2. ESPN owns most of all the college football rights. They already know that if Texas leaves the Big 12 that they will need to repackage it... and that is why they weren't ever going to let the AAC go out of their grip. The length of the deal is moot since ESPN can move all the pieces it wants. We dont know the specifics of the contract but I guarantee there is something in there about if a certain number of teams leave then the contract is renegotiated. If the B12 does lose OU and Tejas then the AAC will get picked over for at least 4 teams and possibly more.

3. The deal we really need to be looking at is BYU. If they dont get a raise and are still in the $6 million a year range, then joining the AAC becomes more attractive. We already know Boise isnt getting anywhere near $7 million a year, and I wouldnt be shocked if the MWC give the finger to ESPN again that their best pieces are added to the AAC.
Lets be honest, most of their conference is hot garbage that nobody really wants but a few choice pieces could add value. if BYU doesnt get a raise, I can see them along with Boise St talking to us.... and then Air Force will get real interested too. Not certain who would be #16 but I tend to like CSU or SDSU. For travel sake, I hope its CSU.

We got a decent deal. With NCAA credits, playoff money and everything else, each of our teams will bring in $10-11 million a year. The ACC makes about 2.5 times that. Sounds bad but we were bringing in about 1/5th of the ACC until this deal was made.

Now what we need to be focusing on is the playoff and distributions there. We cannot continue to be lumped in to the G5. Especially if the MWC gets something like $2-3 million a year and were at $7. We literally would be making more per team than the entire average sum of all the G4.

At that point I think we push hard with the P5 to get a larger share of the playoff money... and I guarantee no other G5 conference will get any extra. Were making a separation from them with this deal.

If we can expand with BYU and Boise, then all bets are off. We cannot be called G5 at that point... hell, we really cant be called that now but you see my point. I am REALLY looking forward to seeing what happens once ESPN gets their chance to bid and the BYU deal is done. There may be a small G5 conference realignment coming.

no to Boise.

add BYU and Army football only...

^Yes to this^

(04-25-2019 07:27 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  The MWC could actually break apart and cause a realignment scenario given the current internal pressures, disagreements, and diverging goals.

With the current line ups, I could see BYU pulling off something they had initially tried with the WAC.

The western teams add NMST all sports, BYU, Gonzaga, and St. Mary's for Olympics. If Hawaii wants to stay big west, add Universtiy of San Fransisco or Grand Canyon so you have 10. BYU agrees to a schedule of two games in November and adds its bowl ties in. Strong basketball, decent football, six game schedule so an.opportunity for 6 OOC games played early in the season. Late starts aren't an issue, huge Cali footprint. Basketball gives you a surging Nevada, UNLV, SDSU, improving Fresno, NMST, and the cream of the WCC. Football will have opportunities to impress, can do buy games or get some crucial p5 home games, flexibility to schedule to the school. SDSU, UNLV, Hawaii should attract some good opponents in particular.

Frontrange schools agree to the Boise St sweetheart deal and add North Texas, Rice, UTEP, and UTSA for ten all sports membership, focused on football. Split to divisions with New Mexico linking up with the Texas Schools and keeping an 8 game schedule with a championship game. Weak on the basketball side they will move into the central time zone and get some in roads into Texas in pretty much every major city.

In that scenario, Boise would join BYU and the Cal-Neva division.

(04-25-2019 10:51 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  

(04-25-2019 07:37 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(04-25-2019 03:53 PM)Radicalman7 Wrote:  

(04-25-2019 03:04 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  The lookin is setup as protection for ESPN. It isn't for...hey guys, you're doing great and we will like to offer $5 million each more just for the fun of it. They have us in a contract until 2030. They know expansion is a possibility in 2025 and this is clearly protection.

That makes little to no sense that it would be one way. Where are you getting this?

Makes perfect sense. The look-in isn't for just handing us more money when they have 6 years remaining. Disney isn't stupid. Who knows about the landscape in 6 years.

It’s obvious what’s its for, not sure why people don’t get it.

If the Big 12 gets stripped, ESPN can send 6 or 7 AAC teams to backfill it and go back to paying the AAC 1 mil a year if that. The money they save with the lookin would be sent directly to the media deal with the the new quasi Big 12. Eliminates a tweener conference by consolidating and saves ESPN money, easy as that.

We aren’t getting a sudden raise in 2025.

If the BIG XII "blows up", how many teams do people here think will leave??

I'd bet that ESPN will take what ever is left after the BIG XII "blows up" and add those teams to the AAC, give the AAC a $2 Million Raise and save a FORTUNE!

(04-26-2019 02:00 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-25-2019 07:27 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  The MWC could actually break apart and cause a realignment scenario given the current internal pressures, disagreements, and diverging goals.

With the current line ups, I could see BYU pulling off something they had initially tried with the WAC.

The western teams add NMST all sports, BYU, Gonzaga, and St. Mary's for Olympics. If Hawaii wants to stay big west, add Universtiy of San Fransisco or Grand Canyon so you have 10. BYU agrees to a schedule of two games in November and adds its bowl ties in. Strong basketball, decent football, six game schedule so an.opportunity for 6 OOC games played early in the season. Late starts aren't an issue, huge Cali footprint. Basketball gives you a surging Nevada, UNLV, SDSU, improving Fresno, NMST, and the cream of the WCC. Football will have opportunities to impress, can do buy games or get some crucial p5 home games, flexibility to schedule to the school. SDSU, UNLV, Hawaii should attract some good opponents in particular.

Frontrange schools agree to the Boise St sweetheart deal and add North Texas, Rice, UTEP, and UTSA for ten all sports membership, focused on football. Split to divisions with New Mexico linking up with the Texas Schools and keeping an 8 game schedule with a championship game. Weak on the basketball side they will move into the central time zone and get some in roads into Texas in pretty much every major city.

In that scenario, Boise would join BYU and the Cal-Neva division.

No they won't because they won't agree to give up their sweetheart deal and they get into Texas with it. The western teams don't care about late night starts, get a little money bump for the ooc home games, third tier rights, and rid of the crap BSU deal they all hate. NMST just feels lucky to go any where.

The Boise deal will break that conference. Boise gets what they want (a separate media rights deal they keep) from the front range, who gets what they want by selling a contract with out winter night games and the same money by adding the Texas schools and keeping Boise's away games.

(04-26-2019 06:49 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(04-25-2019 10:51 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  

(04-25-2019 07:37 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(04-25-2019 03:53 PM)Radicalman7 Wrote:  

(04-25-2019 03:04 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  The lookin is setup as protection for ESPN. It isn't for...hey guys, you're doing great and we will like to offer $5 million each more just for the fun of it. They have us in a contract until 2030. They know expansion is a possibility in 2025 and this is clearly protection.

That makes little to no sense that it would be one way. Where are you getting this?

Makes perfect sense. The look-in isn't for just handing us more money when they have 6 years remaining. Disney isn't stupid. Who knows about the landscape in 6 years.

It’s obvious what’s its for, not sure why people don’t get it.

If the Big 12 gets stripped, ESPN can send 6 or 7 AAC teams to backfill it and go back to paying the AAC 1 mil a year if that. The money they save with the lookin would be sent directly to the media deal with the the new quasi Big 12. Eliminates a tweener conference by consolidating and saves ESPN money, easy as that.

We aren’t getting a sudden raise in 2025.

If the BIG XII "blows up", how many teams do people here think will leave??

I'd bet that ESPN will take what ever is left after the BIG XII "blows up" and add those teams to the AAC, give the AAC a $2 Million Raise and save a FORTUNE!

This. Cheaper to sprinkle a little more on the AAC with Big12 refugees than pay A5 price for a B12 with no name brands.

Funny throwing shade on the ESPN+ thing. The AAC will still have many games on the regular TV channels. And, the AAC schools will still be bringing in $7-$8 Million/season versus the MWC which may be lucky to make what they make now ($1.1 Million) or a slight increase. AAC superior in all ways.

(04-26-2019 10:58 AM)Pirate1989 Wrote:  Funny throwing shade on the ESPN+ thing. The AAC will still have many games on the regular TV channels. And, the AAC schools will still be bringing in $7-$8 Million/season versus the MWC which may be lucky to make what they make now ($1.1 Million) or a slight increase. AAC superior in all ways.

AAC has enough cash and exposure to pull coaches from the G4, and that is what really counts in the big scheme of things. Not P5 money, but at least a clear demarcation line.

(04-26-2019 12:47 PM)bearcat29 Wrote:  

(04-26-2019 10:58 AM)Pirate1989 Wrote:  Funny throwing shade on the ESPN+ thing. The AAC will still have many games on the regular TV channels. And, the AAC schools will still be bringing in $7-$8 Million/season versus the MWC which may be lucky to make what they make now ($1.1 Million) or a slight increase. AAC superior in all ways.

AAC has enough cash and exposure to pull coaches from the G4, and that is what really counts in the big scheme of things. Not P5 money, but at least a clear demarcation line.

So you're saying the AAC will most likely get better due to the ability to hire and retain better coaches?

(04-26-2019 06:49 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(04-25-2019 10:51 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  

(04-25-2019 07:37 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(04-25-2019 03:53 PM)Radicalman7 Wrote:  

(04-25-2019 03:04 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  The lookin is setup as protection for ESPN. It isn't for...hey guys, you're doing great and we will like to offer $5 million each more just for the fun of it. They have us in a contract until 2030. They know expansion is a possibility in 2025 and this is clearly protection.

That makes little to no sense that it would be one way. Where are you getting this?

Makes perfect sense. The look-in isn't for just handing us more money when they have 6 years remaining. Disney isn't stupid. Who knows about the landscape in 6 years.

It’s obvious what’s its for, not sure why people don’t get it.

If the Big 12 gets stripped, ESPN can send 6 or 7 AAC teams to backfill it and go back to paying the AAC 1 mil a year if that. The money they save with the lookin would be sent directly to the media deal with the the new quasi Big 12. Eliminates a tweener conference by consolidating and saves ESPN money, easy as that.

We aren’t getting a sudden raise in 2025.

If the BIG XII "blows up", how many teams do people here think will leave??

I'd bet that ESPN will take what ever is left after the BIG XII "blows up" and add those teams to the AAC, give the AAC a $2 Million Raise and save a FORTUNE!

Doubt it blows up...but I think at least half or over half the schools aren’t in it come 2025/26. It may be a slow trickle, possibly hearing concrete stuff years before the move is actually made like last go around. A school could announce they’re leaving for the Big 10 for example in 2022 even if they can’t actually leave until after the 2024/25 seasons.

Also I highly doubt the remaining Big 12 teams go to the AAC or MWC it’d be the other way around. Everybody knows the Big 12, it’d be a great brand for any of our current members, it’d still be P5 even if teams like Baylor, TCU, ISU, KSU, WVU are left in it.

(04-26-2019 01:34 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(04-26-2019 12:47 PM)bearcat29 Wrote:  

(04-26-2019 10:58 AM)Pirate1989 Wrote:  Funny throwing shade on the ESPN+ thing. The AAC will still have many games on the regular TV channels. And, the AAC schools will still be bringing in $7-$8 Million/season versus the MWC which may be lucky to make what they make now ($1.1 Million) or a slight increase. AAC superior in all ways.

AAC has enough cash and exposure to pull coaches from the G4, and that is what really counts in the big scheme of things. Not P5 money, but at least a clear demarcation line.

So you're saying the AAC will most likely get better due to the ability to hire and retain better coaches?

Absolutely agree with this.

(04-26-2019 03:24 PM)muckdawg24 Wrote:  

(04-26-2019 01:34 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(04-26-2019 12:47 PM)bearcat29 Wrote:  

(04-26-2019 10:58 AM)Pirate1989 Wrote:  Funny throwing shade on the ESPN+ thing. The AAC will still have many games on the regular TV channels. And, the AAC schools will still be bringing in $7-$8 Million/season versus the MWC which may be lucky to make what they make now ($1.1 Million) or a slight increase. AAC superior in all ways.

AAC has enough cash and exposure to pull coaches from the G4, and that is what really counts in the big scheme of things. Not P5 money, but at least a clear demarcation line.

So you're saying the AAC will most likely get better due to the ability to hire and retain better coaches?

Absolutely agree with this.

AAC should be a blast to watch... "FUN BUNCH" Conference.

(04-26-2019 12:47 PM)bearcat29 Wrote:  

(04-26-2019 10:58 AM)Pirate1989 Wrote:  Funny throwing shade on the ESPN+ thing. The AAC will still have many games on the regular TV channels. And, the AAC schools will still be bringing in $7-$8 Million/season versus the MWC which may be lucky to make what they make now ($1.1 Million) or a slight increase. AAC superior in all ways.

AAC has enough cash and exposure to pull coaches from the rest of the G5, and that is what really counts in the big scheme of things. Not P5 money, but at least a clear demarcation line.

Not all of the other programs....

According to the last numbers published, the AAC programs spend between $1-$4 million annually for their head coaches, and between $1.7-2.7 million on their assistant coaching staffs. That is very impressive and certainly more than any other conference, but there are programs outside of the AAC spending within those same parameters. From the MWC... Boise State, Colorado State, Fresno State, and Wyoming. And from C-USA.... North Texas.

So, I would amend you comment and say that the AAC and those 5 programs can and do poach coaches from the other G5 programs.

(04-26-2019 08:32 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(04-26-2019 12:47 PM)bearcat29 Wrote:  

(04-26-2019 10:58 AM)Pirate1989 Wrote:  Funny throwing shade on the ESPN+ thing. The AAC will still have many games on the regular TV channels. And, the AAC schools will still be bringing in $7-$8 Million/season versus the MWC which may be lucky to make what they make now ($1.1 Million) or a slight increase. AAC superior in all ways.

AAC has enough cash and exposure to pull coaches from the rest of the G5, and that is what really counts in the big scheme of things. Not P5 money, but at least a clear demarcation line.

Not all of the other programs....

According to the last numbers published, the AAC programs spend between $1-$4 million annually for their head coaches, and between $1.7-2.7 million on their assistant coaching staffs. That is very impressive and certainly more than any other conference, but there are programs outside of the AAC spending within those same parameters. From the MWC... Boise State, Colorado State, Fresno State, and Wyoming. And from C-USA.... North Texas.

So, I would amend you comment and say that the AAC and those 5 programs can and do poach coaches from the other G5 programs.

You realize those numbers are all from before the media deal bump? You are pointing out that the AAC is already paying top dollar at 2m. Now they have even more dollars to spend on it at 7.5m

It is unlikely anyone besides Boise St will remain within touching distance.

(04-26-2019 02:07 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  

(04-26-2019 06:49 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(04-25-2019 10:51 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  

(04-25-2019 07:37 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(04-25-2019 03:53 PM)Radicalman7 Wrote:  That makes little to no sense that it would be one way. Where are you getting this?

Makes perfect sense. The look-in isn't for just handing us more money when they have 6 years remaining. Disney isn't stupid. Who knows about the landscape in 6 years.

It’s obvious what’s its for, not sure why people don’t get it.

If the Big 12 gets stripped, ESPN can send 6 or 7 AAC teams to backfill it and go back to paying the AAC 1 mil a year if that. The money they save with the lookin would be sent directly to the media deal with the the new quasi Big 12. Eliminates a tweener conference by consolidating and saves ESPN money, easy as that.

We aren’t getting a sudden raise in 2025.

If the BIG XII "blows up", how many teams do people here think will leave??

I'd bet that ESPN will take what ever is left after the BIG XII "blows up" and add those teams to the AAC, give the AAC a $2 Million Raise and save a FORTUNE!

Doubt it blows up...but I think at least half or over half the schools aren’t in it come 2025/26. It may be a slow trickle, possibly hearing concrete stuff years before the move is actually made like last go around. A school could announce they’re leaving for the Big 10 for example in 2022 even if they can’t actually leave until after the 2024/25 seasons.

Also I highly doubt the remaining Big 12 teams go to the AAC or MWC it’d be the other way around. Everybody knows the Big 12, it’d be a great brand for any of our current members, it’d still be P5 even if teams like Baylor, TCU, ISU, KSU, WVU are left in it.

Yup. I dont think the Big12 is going to blow up. The reality is its in the the other B12 members best interests to keep Texas and Oklahoma happy. I suspect the other members will do whatever is necessary to accomplish that goal.

(04-26-2019 08:58 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(04-26-2019 08:32 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(04-26-2019 12:47 PM)bearcat29 Wrote:  

(04-26-2019 10:58 AM)Pirate1989 Wrote:  Funny throwing shade on the ESPN+ thing. The AAC will still have many games on the regular TV channels. And, the AAC schools will still be bringing in $7-$8 Million/season versus the MWC which may be lucky to make what they make now ($1.1 Million) or a slight increase. AAC superior in all ways.

AAC has enough cash and exposure to pull coaches from the rest of the G5, and that is what really counts in the big scheme of things. Not P5 money, but at least a clear demarcation line.

Not all of the other programs....

According to the last numbers published, the AAC programs spend between $1-$4 million annually for their head coaches, and between $1.7-2.7 million on their assistant coaching staffs. That is very impressive and certainly more than any other conference, but there are programs outside of the AAC spending within those same parameters. From the MWC... Boise State, Colorado State, Fresno State, and Wyoming. And from C-USA.... North Texas.

So, I would amend you comment and say that the AAC and those 5 programs can and do poach coaches from the other G5 programs.

You realize those numbers are all from before the media deal bump? You are pointing out that the AAC is already paying top dollar at 2m. Now they have even more dollars to spend on it at 7.5m

It is unlikely anyone besides Boise St will remain within touching distance.

Perhaps, but I am stating what the reality is right now. Of course the AAC will gain even more of an advantage in funding, but that does not necessarily equate to an increase in salaries. Last I heard Tulsa was planning on spending less on athletics, and let the bump in media money make up the difference.

I think it will still boil down to each university's leadership and available resources. I believe all 5 of the programs I listed can and will maintain the pace the AAC sets. If I had to pick programs that might fall off, I would say San Diego State and Fresno State. Being in California could hinder their ability to continue throwing more money at their athletics. I know North Texas is currently negotiating raises for Seth Littrell and his coaching staff, so I'm confident we won't be dropping out of this arms race.

(04-26-2019 09:35 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(04-26-2019 08:58 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(04-26-2019 08:32 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(04-26-2019 12:47 PM)bearcat29 Wrote:  

(04-26-2019 10:58 AM)Pirate1989 Wrote:  Funny throwing shade on the ESPN+ thing. The AAC will still have many games on the regular TV channels. And, the AAC schools will still be bringing in $7-$8 Million/season versus the MWC which may be lucky to make what they make now ($1.1 Million) or a slight increase. AAC superior in all ways.

AAC has enough cash and exposure to pull coaches from the rest of the G5, and that is what really counts in the big scheme of things. Not P5 money, but at least a clear demarcation line.

Not all of the other programs....

According to the last numbers published, the AAC programs spend between $1-$4 million annually for their head coaches, and between $1.7-2.7 million on their assistant coaching staffs. That is very impressive and certainly more than any other conference, but there are programs outside of the AAC spending within those same parameters. From the MWC... Boise State, Colorado State, Fresno State, and Wyoming. And from C-USA.... North Texas.

So, I would amend you comment and say that the AAC and those 5 programs can and do poach coaches from the other G5 programs.

You realize those numbers are all from before the media deal bump? You are pointing out that the AAC is already paying top dollar at 2m. Now they have even more dollars to spend on it at 7.5m

It is unlikely anyone besides Boise St will remain within touching distance.

Perhaps, but I am stating what the reality is right now. Of course the AAC will gain even more of an advantage in funding, but that does not necessarily equate to an increase in salaries. Last I heard Tulsa was planning on spending less on athletics, and let the bump in media money make up the difference.

I think it will still boil down to each university's leadership and available resources. I believe all 5 of the programs I listed can and will maintain the pace the AAC sets. If I had to pick programs that might fall off, I would say San Diego State and Fresno State. Being in California could hinder their ability to continue throwing more money at their athletics. I know North Texas is currently negotiating raises for Seth Littrell and his coaching staff, so I'm confident we won't be dropping out of this arms race.

Even in the right now you're behind, as is everyone else, but we're talking the future.

Lol. You're not in the arms race. Doesn't C-USA make negative for its media deal?

You heard wrong, or more likely heard what you wanted to believe. C-USA teams were never even in the MWC's rearview and they're about to get lapped.

We need a border wall between us and the G4. And I want all G4 visitors to have visas.

I will sit as the head of Visa granting.

(04-26-2019 10:02 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  We need a border wall between us and the G4. And I want all G4 visitors to have visas.

I will sit as the head of Visa granting.

We might get one when ESPN will "LOOK-IN" in during the 6th year of the contract...

but we better start winning our Bowl games at a very high rate, 2 of 7 won't cut it.

(04-26-2019 10:02 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  We need a border wall between us and the G4. And I want all G4 visitors to have visas.

I will sit as the head of Visa granting.

The mwc window lickers are looking in on this thread and then running back to their treehouse to talk about it.

Everyone should look sharp and try to write with precision and clarity. They WILL mis-characterize what is said here, by their betters, but their cheetah flips get more amusing the more they have to stretch the truth and torture logic.

(04-26-2019 06:49 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(04-25-2019 10:51 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  

(04-25-2019 07:37 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(04-25-2019 03:53 PM)Radicalman7 Wrote:  

(04-25-2019 03:04 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  The lookin is setup as protection for ESPN. It isn't for...hey guys, you're doing great and we will like to offer $5 million each more just for the fun of it. They have us in a contract until 2030. They know expansion is a possibility in 2025 and this is clearly protection.

That makes little to no sense that it would be one way. Where are you getting this?

Makes perfect sense. The look-in isn't for just handing us more money when they have 6 years remaining. Disney isn't stupid. Who knows about the landscape in 6 years.

It’s obvious what’s its for, not sure why people don’t get it.

If the Big 12 gets stripped, ESPN can send 6 or 7 AAC teams to backfill it and go back to paying the AAC 1 mil a year if that. The money they save with the lookin would be sent directly to the media deal with the the new quasi Big 12. Eliminates a tweener conference by consolidating and saves ESPN money, easy as that.

We aren’t getting a sudden raise in 2025.

If the BIG XII "blows up", how many teams do people here think will leave??

I'd bet that ESPN will take what ever is left after the BIG XII "blows up" and add those teams to the AAC, give the AAC a $2 Million Raise and save a FORTUNE!

Not going to happen. Fox is also a big player in B12, they are not going to watch that conf die and all go to AAC. and ESPN. They can drop their price per school to 8 to 9 mil gain a couple of schools while losing quality at the top, and still be paying more than AAC now receives, ESPN then has a choice pay for their B12 coverage or give it up.. either way fox wins.