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RE: Luke Walton sued for sexual assault
(04-24-2019 12:48 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  If I wanted to interview some 6'10 athlete who was gay and he said "come to my room if you want an interview"... I would see right through that, same as anyone should. If she didn't see what he was proposing, then she is an idiot.

As Snow pointed out, many people assaulted don't go to the police. I can understand that. But, if she was so embarrassed, humiliated, defeated, etc to go to the police, why is she not too embarrassed.. etc... to announce it to the world now?

Then, why did she wait so long?

I am not saying it didn't happen. Sounds to me like she made a foolish choice but now has decided she can cash in on her foolish choice.

Welp again. I’m not saying it happened or it didn’t. I’m answering general questions. Sometimes the effects of sexual asssult won’t go away so the person tries another approach—like spilling his/her guts.

The Olympic athletes who got molested by the team doc, for example.

There is also the fact that people who are gonna rape someone don’t worry about how clumsy they are. It’s just their driving force.

You guys are pretty predictable tho. You prolly ain’t ever been sexually assaulted, or been the assaulter. It’s hard for you to fathom or put yourself in either place.

As for punishment vs crime, here's an interesting example that happened on the Stanford campus. An Olympic athlete was caught raping an unconscious woman...Judge gave him 6 mos; he served 3mos. Judge was recalled in next election.

This was the judge's reasoning: Judge Perksy said at the sentencing hearing that he considered the fact that accused dude was drinking as a mitigating factor in his sentence.
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RE: Luke Walton sued for sexual assault
(04-24-2019 02:56 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  
(04-23-2019 11:41 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  I'm not saying that she did or didn't get sexually assaulted. It's pretty irrelevant to the discussion at this point.

I am saying that many people, no matter what their gender is, do not want to go to the police when they are sexually assaulted--just sayin.

If you want justice, you call the police in this instance.
It protects you...it protects the accused, as we all have constitutional rights

When you SIT on the story for awhile...you slightly hurt your case...because your physical proof is gone...DNA.
HOW can a person prove he/she did not rape someone after the fact.
DNA evidence is critical. If it matches...boom you have your guy.
If it doesn't match...you have the wrong person.

What kind of mechanism exists that would protect people from being falsely accused years after the fact?

There was no DNA in this case. Tennant doesn't allege a rape.
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(04-24-2019 02:56 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  
(04-23-2019 11:41 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  I'm not saying that she did or didn't get sexually assaulted. It's pretty irrelevant to the discussion at this point.

I am saying that many people, no matter what their gender is, do not want to go to the police when they are sexually assaulted--just sayin.

If you want justice, you call the police in this instance.
It protects you...it protects the accused, as we all have constitutional rights

When you SIT on the story for awhile...you slightly hurt your case...because your physical proof is gone...DNA.
HOW can a person prove he/she did not rape someone after the fact.
DNA evidence is critical. If it matches...boom you have your guy.
If it doesn't match...you have the wrong person.

What kind of mechanism exists that would protect people from being falsely accused years after the fact?

DNA doesn't prove rape.

DNA might not be present if a condom is used or if a man doesn't "leave" his semen on the female.
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Now what might be helpful is if the hotel still has security footage from that day to see if it appears to corroborate her accusation. Also it would be interesting to see her mannerisms after she leaves Walton's hotel room and her appearance before and after going up to his room.
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(04-24-2019 04:04 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Now what might be helpful is if the hotel still has security footage from that day to see if it appears to corroborate her accusation. Also it would be interesting to see her mannerisms after she leaves Walton's hotel room and her appearance before and after going up to his room.

The alleged assault happened in 2014, so doubtful the hotel has footage that old.

Also saw this regarding criminal charges, looks like the statute of limitations has passed. Which her attorney should have known. https://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/la...story.html

"Louis Shapiro, a criminal defense lawyer, said there is a three-year statute of limitations on felony sexual battery. The alleged crime Tennant described with Walton with over-clothing touching is too old to charge criminally."
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(04-24-2019 03:55 PM)Tigx Wrote:  
(04-24-2019 02:56 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  
(04-23-2019 11:41 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  I'm not saying that she did or didn't get sexually assaulted. It's pretty irrelevant to the discussion at this point.

I am saying that many people, no matter what their gender is, do not want to go to the police when they are sexually assaulted--just sayin.

If you want justice, you call the police in this instance.
It protects you...it protects the accused, as we all have constitutional rights

When you SIT on the story for awhile...you slightly hurt your case...because your physical proof is gone...DNA.
HOW can a person prove he/she did not rape someone after the fact.
DNA evidence is critical. If it matches...boom you have your guy.
If it doesn't match...you have the wrong person.

What kind of mechanism exists that would protect people from being falsely accused years after the fact?

There was no DNA in this case. Tennant doesn't allege a rape.

I am saying in general.
Same thing happened to Scott Baio with one of his former c0-stars on "Charles in Charge".
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I see everyone is now completely dodging the why didn't she say something sooner argument.

Relativity opens eyes.
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(04-24-2019 05:36 PM)New Here 101 Wrote:  I see everyone is now completely dodging the why didn't she say something sooner argument.

Relativity opens eyes.

I am not dodging it. I still have an issue with that.
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(04-24-2019 06:10 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(04-24-2019 05:36 PM)New Here 101 Wrote:  I see everyone is now completely dodging the why didn't she say something sooner argument.

Relativity opens eyes.

I am not dodging it. I still have an issue with that.

So, you would call your buddies right after Mike finished and be like "Dude, guess what, I just got ..."

There are a lot of reasons people don't call these things in right after they happen.

I'll list a few.

Shock.

Fear.

Embarassment.

Confusion.

Anxiety.

Lack of trust.

I could list a hundred more.
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her statement makes no sense....afraid for her job because she reported sexual assault? NO one would punish a victim of a crime committed against them.
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(04-25-2019 01:12 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  her statement makes no sense....afraid for her job because she reported sexual assault? NO one would punish a victim of a crime committed against them.

She’s alleging a crime now, and you don’t believe her. How would it have helped her career if those in an all male sport on which she reported also didn’t believe her?
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(04-25-2019 01:47 AM)Tigx Wrote:  
(04-25-2019 01:12 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  her statement makes no sense....afraid for her job because she reported sexual assault? NO one would punish a victim of a crime committed against them.

She’s alleging a crime now, and you don’t believe her. How would it have helped her career if those in an all male sport on which she reported also didn’t believe her?

Its time sensitive.
Come forward after it happens...I have no problems believing a victim. Many assault victims have some kind of bruising or DNA evidence to back up their claims...some type of proof.

Waiting since 2014? She didn't come forward sooner because she was 'afraid for her job'.
What changed? Does she still have her job?
Sounds like a cash grab.
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(04-23-2019 08:18 PM)New Here 101 Wrote:  Pfft.

Let your daughter accuse someone of sexual assault and see how many of these questions you ask.

Men have been sexually assaulting women forever and a day and getting away with it time and time again.

Still today.

In 2019.

Rape 6 months, rape 3 months, rape community service.

And on another note, if it was a black athlete instead of white a$$ Luke, you would be saying he should be banned from the sport.

Kudos, fellas, you managed two kill two major civil rights issues with one white male stone.


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Idiotic.

I went to Beale in my early 20's. Drank too much and was leaving the street with a buddy. Some dude came up to us and asked if we wanted to go to an after hours house party. We said sure and followed him.

He said it would cost some $$ to get in and I pulled a $50 out of my wallet to show him I had money. He jumped me, punched me and tried to take my $50.

He didn't but I had a nice shiner and some sweet scrapes on my legs from where they met the pavement during the tussle.

The next day I was at work (waiting tables in shorts) and had the bruised face and scabbed up legs. EVERY person who asked me what happened, and after I told the story, responded with some version of "What the f$ck were you thinking."

You would seem to call that "victim shaming" as "no one should be attacked just for wanting to have fun."

Bottom line is everyone is responsible to a degree for what happens to them. It doesn't mean that person "deserves" what they got (I didn't "deserve" getting jumped) but people don't need a pass for putting themselves in crappy positions.

It doesn't negate the culpability of the offender, I just hate seeing the terrible takes like you do about how one should talk to their daughters.

If I have a girl, I sure as hell will tell her about how HER bad decisions can lead to horrible consequences--especially if she's in the company of unscrupulous boys/men.

It's not fair but life isn't fair. We can talk all we want about "boys changing" but this is real life and that ain't happenin' captain.
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(04-24-2019 04:11 PM)Tigx Wrote:  
(04-24-2019 04:04 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Now what might be helpful is if the hotel still has security footage from that day to see if it appears to corroborate her accusation. Also it would be interesting to see her mannerisms after she leaves Walton's hotel room and her appearance before and after going up to his room.

The alleged assault happened in 2014, so doubtful the hotel has footage that old.

Also saw this regarding criminal charges, looks like the statute of limitations has passed. Which her attorney should have known. https://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/la...story.html

"Louis Shapiro, a criminal defense lawyer, said there is a three-year statute of limitations on felony sexual battery. The alleged crime Tennant described with Walton with over-clothing touching is too old to charge criminally."

Yeah, I would figure they wouldn't.

Just noting that might have been helpful to one party had the allegations been brought forth earlier.
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Like it or not, Society is changing along these lines. Hollywood directors, athletes, politicians, CEOs, team docs etc are no longer immune.

Let’s not forget we need to ‘warn’ our sons.
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(04-25-2019 10:03 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  Like it or not, Society is changing along these lines. Hollywood directors, athletes, politicians, CEOs, team docs etc are no longer immune.

Let’s not forget we need to ‘warn’ our sons.

My mother was in management at one of the local casinos. Over the 20 years she worked there, I lost count of the number of men who were fired for the same thing... relationships with the hostesses. All the way up to the top, men were being fired for messing with the female employees, over and over again. Just plain stupidity.
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(04-25-2019 10:18 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(04-25-2019 10:03 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  Like it or not, Society is changing along these lines. Hollywood directors, athletes, politicians, CEOs, team docs etc are no longer immune.

Let’s not forget we need to ‘warn’ our sons.

My mother was in management at one of the local casinos. Over the 20 years she worked there, I lost count of the number of men who were fired for the same thing... relationships with the hostesses. All the way up to the top, men were being fired for messing with the female employees, over and over again. Just plain stupidity.

What’s your point? That the lil guys can’t get away with as much stuff as the big guys?

I managed a corporate retail store in the 90s. One of the first things the corporate lawyers told us was that managers were under legal obligation to provide a sexual harassment free work place for our employees. All employees regardless of gender.

When my produce guy complained that one of our valued female customers was constantly harassing him ( making lewd comments) while holding a zucchini, I told him he could can her if I wasn’t there. When the postman hit on customers and placed a naked crotch pic in full view of the reg employees every time he checked out, I called the post office.

I don’t know how it is there—In Cali, all Employees are legally entitled to a harassment free work environment or the company gets sued.
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Love a good board fight, but back to the issue at hand.

Seems to me that Tennant is going to need to produce contemporaneous evidence that she communicated what she alleged happened - text messages, emails, notes - to friends and family, like she claimed she did, or it's just a he said/she said case that she is unlikely to win.
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(04-25-2019 11:31 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  
(04-25-2019 10:18 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(04-25-2019 10:03 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  Like it or not, Society is changing along these lines. Hollywood directors, athletes, politicians, CEOs, team docs etc are no longer immune.

Let’s not forget we need to ‘warn’ our sons.

My mother was in management at one of the local casinos. Over the 20 years she worked there, I lost count of the number of men who were fired for the same thing... relationships with the hostesses. All the way up to the top, men were being fired for messing with the female employees, over and over again. Just plain stupidity.

What’s your point? That the lil guys can’t get away with as much stuff as the big guys?

I managed a corporate retail store in the 90s. One of the first things the corporate lawyers told us was that managers were under legal obligation to provide a sexual harassment free work place for our employees. All employees regardless of gender.

When my produce guy complained that one of our valued female customers was constantly harassing him ( making lewd comments) while holding a zucchini, I told him he could can her if I wasn’t there. When the postman hit on customers and placed a naked crotch pic in full view of the reg employees every time he checked out, I called the post office.

I don’t know how it is there—In Cali, all Employees are legally entitled to a harassment free work environment or the company gets sued.




Ugh, no... my point is MEN DOING STUPID CRAP BECAUSE THEY CANT KEEP IT IN THEIR PANTS....


And then they KNOW the last person who had their job was fired for the exact same thing and they do it anyway.
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It's a he said she said deal, apparently. Take it to court and see what happens. No witnesses may be a big problem for the accuser. Why'd she wait this long? Another eye brow raiser.
Dude isn't settling so it's gonna get interesting.
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