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Carlos has decided to take his game to Triton College, in suburban Chicago.
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(05-15-2019 06:40 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  Again, why did he transfer?


https://broncosports.com/news/2019/5/4/m...ath=mbball
Inquiring minds still want to know...

And I was amazed when I read the article - replace "Boise" with "East Tennessee" and the names to fit the program and it reads exactly like an article from the etsubucs.com site. I wonder if the articles are written by a public relations bot....

Boise State is getting a good player. Hope he continues improving and has a great last two years.
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I love how a person on the Boise message board worried about the level of competition he faced at ETSU and if he would be able to put up those numbers in the mountain west. SoCon was 11 RPI, MWC was 16. Boise had a 217 RPI.
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(05-16-2019 12:39 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  I love how a person on the Boise message board worried about the level of competition he faced at ETSU and if he would be able to put up those numbers in the mountain west. SoCon was 11 RPI, MWC was 16. Boise had a 217 RPI.
Really??? He'll do fine there. He'll be a significant contributor there.
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(05-16-2019 12:39 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  I love how a person on the Boise message board worried about the level of competition he faced at ETSU and if he would be able to put up those numbers in the mountain west. SoCon was 11 RPI, MWC was 16. Boise had a 217 RPI.

Everybody knows the big names, few know the good teams.
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(05-17-2019 06:22 AM)BucDoctor Wrote:  
(05-16-2019 12:39 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  I love how a person on the Boise message board worried about the level of competition he faced at ETSU and if he would be able to put up those numbers in the mountain west. SoCon was 11 RPI, MWC was 16. Boise had a 217 RPI.

Everybody knows the big names, few know the good teams.

Didn't we hold Mountain West member Wyoming to 1 field goal in the first half last year?
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(05-15-2019 06:40 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  Again, why did he transfer?


https://broncosports.com/news/2019/5/4/m...ath=mbball

During Forbes' TV interview when he was asked about transfers "in general," he said that he believed that players transferred largely for two reasons : they didn't feel that they were getting the playing time they needed (deserved) or they felt that the role that they were being asked to play in the team structure was not suited to their abilities. Which leads my mind back to Armus' inexplicable 3 point attempts against Wofford.
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(05-17-2019 03:09 PM)BigIslandBuc Wrote:  
(05-15-2019 06:40 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  Again, why did he transfer?


https://broncosports.com/news/2019/5/4/m...ath=mbball

During Forbes' TV interview when he was asked about transfers "in general," he said that he believed that players transferred largely for two reasons : they didn't feel that they were getting the playing time they needed (deserved) or they felt that the role that they were being asked to play in the team structure was not suited to their abilities. Which leads my mind back to Armus' inexplicable 3 point attempts against Wofford.

Not inexplicable at all. Forbes is on record asking Armus to develop an outside shot. His lack of a drive or outside shot gave his defenders no reason to play other than low post defense on him.
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(05-17-2019 05:18 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  
(05-17-2019 03:09 PM)BigIslandBuc Wrote:  
(05-15-2019 06:40 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  Again, why did he transfer?


https://broncosports.com/news/2019/5/4/m...ath=mbball

During Forbes' TV interview when he was asked about transfers "in general," he said that he believed that players transferred largely for two reasons : they didn't feel that they were getting the playing time they needed (deserved) or they felt that the role that they were being asked to play in the team structure was not suited to their abilities. Which leads my mind back to Armus' inexplicable 3 point attempts against Wofford.

Not inexplicable at all. Forbes is on record asking Armus to develop an outside shot. His lack of a drive or outside shot gave his defenders no reason to play other than low post defense on him.

I have also heard Forbes say, “the off-season is about the player’s development and the season is about the the TEAM. Looks like to me, after working on his 3 pt shot during the off season, he was told to put it away after proving he wasn’t ready to shoot 3’s with accuracy during games. That’s the way I viewed it.....I believe he only made 1 on the year....
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(05-17-2019 05:31 PM)ETSU4Life Wrote:  
(05-17-2019 05:18 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  
(05-17-2019 03:09 PM)BigIslandBuc Wrote:  
(05-15-2019 06:40 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  Again, why did he transfer?


https://broncosports.com/news/2019/5/4/m...ath=mbball

During Forbes' TV interview when he was asked about transfers "in general," he said that he believed that players transferred largely for two reasons : they didn't feel that they were getting the playing time they needed (deserved) or they felt that the role that they were being asked to play in the team structure was not suited to their abilities. Which leads my mind back to Armus' inexplicable 3 point attempts against Wofford.

Not inexplicable at all. Forbes is on record asking Armus to develop an outside shot. His lack of a drive or outside shot gave his defenders no reason to play other than low post defense on him.

I have also heard Forbes say, “the off-season is about the player’s development and the season is about the the TEAM. Looks like to me, after working on his 3 pt shot during the off season, he was told to put it away after proving he wasn’t ready to shoot 3’s with accuracy during games. That’s the way I viewed it.....I believe he only made 1 on the year....

Filled it up during warm ups. Don't know how his shot looked in practice.

It was the second coming of the Adam Solazzo dilemma. If you remember during Solazzo's freshman and sophomore seasons he wouldn't shoot and it was ETSU playing 4 on 5 on the offensive end. No one played defense on him. Armus was presenting a similar situation. Perhaps Boise State rarely plays a high ball screen offense, I have no idea.
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(05-13-2019 09:05 AM)swvabucsfan Wrote:  Also hope for good things for Carlos who always seemed like a battler and a hard worker. But the decision to go JUCO does seem to suggest that Forbes and the coaching staff were right in their evaluation of his current skills, and that he needs significant work before he will be a real D1 contributor. Those of us who 'went out on a limb' and got excited about his high school videos and his battle with Tyler Herro (myself included) were perhaps a little too optimistic about his readiness for the big time.

Maybe; but I still don't think so. I wonder if Forbes asked him to redshirt and he wasn't on board with that. (Just hypothetical; I have no knowledge of that.)
BUT.........here's his plan: shine in JUCO-land; then get noticed and picked up with a higher D1 school - and *apparently* some schools suggested he go that route. As Forbes said (in general), the reason he left was either lack of playing time (most likely) or "the role they were asked to play didn't suit their perception of what they should be playing" (paraphrasing). That could even mean redshirting. In any event, he felt he was languishing and not getting a fair shot (which is what I said all along). (But I don't know which of those two Forbes-expressed categories most closely fit him, in his mind.) In any event, his *hope* is to land at an even higher D1 level than ETSU, but knows that he'll have to have a productive and impressive juco career to achieve that.
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Seriously, I hope that he achieves that. Second chances in JUCO-land are something that Forbes has experience with.
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I'm sure Curtis will prosper under the right conditions. I hope for the best for him. Who knows maybe we will see him again somewhere down the line.....
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(05-17-2019 05:18 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  
(05-17-2019 03:09 PM)BigIslandBuc Wrote:  
(05-15-2019 06:40 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  Again, why did he transfer?


https://broncosports.com/news/2019/5/4/m...ath=mbball

During Forbes' TV interview when he was asked about transfers "in general," he said that he believed that players transferred largely for two reasons : they didn't feel that they were getting the playing time they needed (deserved) or they felt that the role that they were being asked to play in the team structure was not suited to their abilities. Which leads my mind back to Armus' inexplicable 3 point attempts against Wofford.

Not inexplicable at all. Forbes is on record asking Armus to develop an outside shot. His lack of a drive or outside shot gave his defenders no reason to play other than low post defense on him.

All right, unexplainable, then. Armus chose one of the most important games of the year to experiment with a shot that he had not shown the ability to hit in a game setting. That he had been encouraged to develop an out side shot isn't the issue. I agree that if he had been able to do so, it would have opened up a lot of offensive possibilities for the Bucs, but he hadn't and he didn't in a critical point of a potentially season ending game. I know this is beating the horse way post mortem, but when it happened I was thunderstruck and I haven't been able to grasp the mystery of it still.
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In this case and in so many other cases where people construct stories to explain the unknown, I think the simplest explanation is the most plausible one: Twenty-year olds make rash decisions.


It is time to put this to rest: Armus is long gone and to be candid, I think we upgraded with Weber.
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^ what he said
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(05-18-2019 04:26 AM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  
(05-13-2019 09:05 AM)swvabucsfan Wrote:  Also hope for good things for Carlos who always seemed like a battler and a hard worker. But the decision to go JUCO does seem to suggest that Forbes and the coaching staff were right in their evaluation of his current skills, and that he needs significant work before he will be a real D1 contributor. Those of us who 'went out on a limb' and got excited about his high school videos and his battle with Tyler Herro (myself included) were perhaps a little too optimistic about his readiness for the big time.

Maybe; but I still don't think so. I wonder if Forbes asked him to redshirt and he wasn't on board with that. (Just hypothetical; I have no knowledge of that.)
BUT.........here's his plan: shine in JUCO-land; then get noticed and picked up with a higher D1 school - and *apparently* some schools suggested he go that route. As Forbes said (in general), the reason he left was either lack of playing time (most likely) or "the role they were asked to play didn't suit their perception of what they should be playing" (paraphrasing). That could even mean redshirting. In any event, he felt he was languishing and not getting a fair shot (which is what I said all along). (But I don't know which of those two Forbes-expressed categories most closely fit him, in his mind.) In any event, his *hope* is to land at an even higher D1 level than ETSU, but knows that he'll have to have a productive and impressive juco career to achieve that.

I wish Carlos the best. Personally, I don't think he will get a HM offer after JUCO and doubt he gets an offer better than ETSU. He didn't receive a HM offer out of HS and he didn't get any playing time at ETSU. If the staff thought he could have helped the team this past year, I believe they would have played him. They did not. Carlos visited Green Bay, Wright State, and ETSU out of HS, all MM programs. He played in the EYBL. It's not like he didn't get exposure to "bigger" programs before arriving at ETSU. I guess you could say, I'm not as infatuated with Carlos as "others". Good luck at Triton.....
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(05-19-2019 11:07 AM)ETSU4Life Wrote:  
(05-18-2019 04:26 AM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  
(05-13-2019 09:05 AM)swvabucsfan Wrote:  Also hope for good things for Carlos who always seemed like a battler and a hard worker. But the decision to go JUCO does seem to suggest that Forbes and the coaching staff were right in their evaluation of his current skills, and that he needs significant work before he will be a real D1 contributor. Those of us who 'went out on a limb' and got excited about his high school videos and his battle with Tyler Herro (myself included) were perhaps a little too optimistic about his readiness for the big time.

Maybe; but I still don't think so. I wonder if Forbes asked him to redshirt and he wasn't on board with that. (Just hypothetical; I have no knowledge of that.)
BUT.........here's his plan: shine in JUCO-land; then get noticed and picked up with a higher D1 school - and *apparently* some schools suggested he go that route. As Forbes said (in general), the reason he left was either lack of playing time (most likely) or "the role they were asked to play didn't suit their perception of what they should be playing" (paraphrasing). That could even mean redshirting. In any event, he felt he was languishing and not getting a fair shot (which is what I said all along). (But I don't know which of those two Forbes-expressed categories most closely fit him, in his mind.) In any event, his *hope* is to land at an even higher D1 level than ETSU, but knows that he'll have to have a productive and impressive juco career to achieve that.

I wish Carlos the best. Personally, I don't think he will get a HM offer after JUCO and doubt he gets an offer better than ETSU. He didn't receive a HM offer out of HS and he didn't get any playing time at ETSU. If the staff thought he could have helped the team this past year, I believe they would have played him. They did not. Carlos visited Green Bay, Wright State, and ETSU out of HS, all MM programs. He played in the EYBL. It's not like he didn't get exposure to "bigger" programs before arriving at ETSU. I guess you could say, I'm not as infatuated with Carlos as "others". Good luck at Triton.....
He obviously had some things to work on if he's going JUCO. Honestly not a major loss.
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