The perennial debate is useless, says this writer for UC San Diego's student newspaper, the Triton. From February of this year

http://triton.news/2019/02/stop-talking-...e-useless/

I guess DavidSt would disagree.

But I wonder, can UCSD get into the Pac 12 someday without football? Academics, endowment, enrollment, location - there's a lot working in their favor.

(04-21-2019 09:31 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  The perennial debate is useless, says this writer for UC San Diego's student newspaper, the Triton. From February of this year

http://triton.news/2019/02/stop-talking-...e-useless/

I guess DavidSt would disagree.

But I wonder, can UCSD get into the Pac 12 someday without football? Academics, endowment, enrollment, location - there's a lot working in their favor.

Just add UCSD and Rice as non-FB members now. Give Rice 6 FB games per year guaranteed so they can go independent. Gives the PAC a toehold in Tx/Houston for recruiting ( Could get AZ and ASU annually plus CU/Utah, UO/OSU, UW/WSU, Cal/UCLA in alternating years). Rice and UCSD get a full share of PAC network revenue and BBall credits. That beats their other options.

(04-21-2019 09:31 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  The perennial debate is useless, says this writer for UC San Diego's student newspaper, the Triton. From February of this year

http://triton.news/2019/02/stop-talking-...e-useless/

I guess DavidSt would disagree.

But I wonder, can UCSD get into the Pac 12 someday without football? Academics, endowment, enrollment, location - there's a lot working in their favor.

No, they can't.

UCSD must need to add football and build the stadium the size at least as big as Washington State to get into the PAC 12.

I think the California schools are thinking of restarting football is because of playing body bag games with the PAC 12. The extra money could help their athletic departments. Besides Fullerton State winning the college world series, the none FBS schools in California have not won anything to crow about.

Even if by a miracle UC-San Diego would be able to transfer Cal State-San Diego’s athletics and fanbase and reduce them to Div III status, I don’t think the Pac-12 would be a done deal. Having a 5th California school would be redundant and even Texas and North Carolina only have four P5 schools in the same conference. Not even C-USA with all their bad decisions in expansion decided to include a 5th Texas school (Texas State). Only the MAC has more than four schools in the same state (Ohio) but it makes financial sense for them.

Quote:Just add UCSD and Rice as non-FB members now. Give Rice 6 FB games per year guaranteed so they can go independent. Gives the PAC a toehold in Tx/Houston for recruiting ( Could get AZ and ASU annually plus CU/Utah, UO/OSU, UW/WSU, Cal/UCLA in alternating years). Rice and UCSD get a full share of PAC network revenue and BBall credits. That beats their other options.

Not sure if that's humor or trolling, but top quality either way.

PAC expansion with more CA institutions is itself so thorny an issue. Between what's already in FBS with Cal State, and the potential one can have with FCS/non-FB UC schools, I doubt it really matters over the next few decades what UCSD does. Because, you will have SDSU and Fresno turning up the heat on the PAC and the state of CA to understand why UC gets the benefits.

I mean, who cares about UCSD right now. Davis is more ripe with intrigue, imo.

PAC 12 needs inland schools, not schools on the coast.

(04-22-2019 03:53 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  PAC expansion with more CA institutions is itself so thorny an issue. Between what's already in FBS with Cal State, and the potential one can have with FCS/non-FB UC schools, I doubt it really matters over the next few decades what UCSD does. Because, you will have SDSU and Fresno turning up the heat on the PAC and the state of CA to understand why UC gets the benefits.

I mean, who cares about UCSD right now. Davis is more ripe with intrigue, imo.

I'm guessing SDSU isn't too fond of a third institution in their backyard going D1 in athletics, especially one who's a member of the UC system. The PAC presidents and chancellors - namely USC, UCLA, Stanford and Cal - have more than enough clout to weather any pressure a Cal State throws at them.

UCSD smells more like a PAC member than SDSU does.

UC Berkley and UCLA likely will not permit their fellow UCs from fielding football at the FBS level

(04-22-2019 03:36 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  

Quote:Just add UCSD and Rice as non-FB members now. Give Rice 6 FB games per year guaranteed so they can go independent. Gives the PAC a toehold in Tx/Houston for recruiting ( Could get AZ and ASU annually plus CU/Utah, UO/OSU, UW/WSU, Cal/UCLA in alternating years). Rice and UCSD get a full share of PAC network revenue and BBall credits. That beats their other options.

Not sure if that's humor or trolling, but top quality either way.

I would like to endorse this plan. Let’s start in 2021.

(04-22-2019 12:10 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Even if by a miracle UC-San Diego would be able to transfer Cal State-San Diego’s athletics and fanbase and reduce them to Div III status, I don’t think the Pac-12 would be a done deal. Having a 5th California school would be redundant and even Texas and North Carolina only have four P5 schools in the same conference. Not even C-USA with all their bad decisions in expansion decided to include a 5th Texas school (Texas State). Only the MAC has more than four schools in the same state (Ohio) but it makes financial sense for them.

The PAC has no presence in San Diego (a county bigger than Iowa or Utah). I just moved away after living in SD for three years. SDSU has by far the biggest fanbase there. Even the Big 10 has more fans in SD than the Pac-12.

Population by Conference:
43 million = SEC West (TX + AL + LA + AR + MS) = 11 P5 teams in footprint (7 SEC West + 4 Big 12 )
40 = Big 12 (TX + KS + OK + IA + WV) = 12 P5 teams in footprint
39.5 = California
35.9 = Big Ten West division (NE + IA + MN + WI + IL + IN) = 10 P5 teams in footprint

A 5th PAC team in CA is completely justified if it's the right school.

I think the U. Cal. system might allow schools to add the sport. They do like to put them on the schedule in football. There are too many students at these California schools want football back.