It feels like piling on at this point, but here we go.

Article from Awful Announcing: The point isn't to make money.

Now that's some deep fertilizer.

Maybe when the 6 best members of the Pac 12 are absorbed by the Big 12 they'll realize that it was actually about the money.

Quote:...the intent of the league network isn’t to make money but to “amplify student-athletes and their experiences.”

Maybe THAT'S the problem, the muckety-mucks in the PAC are too worried about their ethereal motives and NOT worried enough about what pays the bills.

Strange how the SEC, B1G, and ACC are doing just fine knowing their networks are about making the schools money while realizing the other stuff will follow.

Makes me wonder how much longer some of the PAC schools will put up with this before "changes" are made.

(04-22-2019 07:42 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

Quote:...the intent of the league network isn’t to make money but to “amplify student-athletes and their experiences.”

Maybe THAT'S the problem, the muckety-mucks in the PAC are too worried about their ethereal motives and NOT worried enough about what pays the bills.

Strange how the SEC, B1G, and ACC are doing just fine knowing their networks are about making the schools money while realizing the other stuff will follow.

Makes me wonder how much longer some of the PAC schools will put up with this before "changes" are made.

It has already been much longer than is reasonable. And it has been so because they are sold out to their backwards ideals. They do seem to have created the crisis that will bring about change, but don't bet on the change being beneficial, or reasonable.

As a native Californian, I’ve been saying this for years. The culture out West is completely different than in the South and Midwest. The Pac-12 schools take as much pride in low revenue sports like swimming and water polo as they do in football and basketball. They even brag about it and it’s the reason they call themselves “the Conference of Champions.”

That’s why I’m not even shocked their top network executive says the main priority is their student-athletes not money. It’s always been that way and continue to be that way for the foreseeable future. The only thing I have to say is that it’s sad to see a school like Utah which did the right things and was hungry for success get the Pac-10 bug. A least they booed Larry Scott in the CCG in December but I hope they still remember where they came from and not rest on their laurels. They only have to look south to their former WAC mate Arizona State. A school that hasn’t done anything since they left the WAC forty years ago except for the Jake Plummer led season where they played and lost in the Rose Bowl in the mid 90s.

(04-22-2019 12:47 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  As a native Californian, I’ve been saying this for years. The culture out West is completely different than in the South and Midwest. The Pac-12 schools take as much pride in low revenue sports like swimming and water polo as they do in football and basketball. They even brag about it and it’s the reason they call themselves “the Conference of Champions.”

That’s why I’m not even shocked their top network executive says the main priority is their student-athletes not money. It’s always been that way and continue to be that way for the foreseeable future. The only thing I have to say is that it’s sad to see a school like Utah which did the right things and was hungry for success get the Pac-10 bug. A least they booed Larry Scott in the CCG in December but I hope they still remember where they came from and not rest on their laurels. They only have to look south to their former WAC mate Arizona State. A school that hasn’t done anything since they left the WAC forty years ago except for the Jake Plummer led season where they played and lost in the Rose Bowl in the mid 90s.

I can appreciate and respect their commitment to the low revenue sports but I think they're missing the point that it is possible to feature those sports AND make money.

I can't speak to the SEC Network (for example), but I do know that sports like Volleyball, Wrestling, Softball, Gymnastics, Lacrosse, Golf, etc, are always being shown on BTN, many times in prime time. BTN also manages to make the conference money.

Seems they have examples of how one can do both. Also seems that they're using that as an excuse for mismanagement.

(04-23-2019 06:34 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 12:47 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  As a native Californian, I’ve been saying this for years. The culture out West is completely different than in the South and Midwest. The Pac-12 schools take as much pride in low revenue sports like swimming and water polo as they do in football and basketball. They even brag about it and it’s the reason they call themselves “the Conference of Champions.”

That’s why I’m not even shocked their top network executive says the main priority is their student-athletes not money. It’s always been that way and continue to be that way for the foreseeable future. The only thing I have to say is that it’s sad to see a school like Utah which did the right things and was hungry for success get the Pac-10 bug. A least they booed Larry Scott in the CCG in December but I hope they still remember where they came from and not rest on their laurels. They only have to look south to their former WAC mate Arizona State. A school that hasn’t done anything since they left the WAC forty years ago except for the Jake Plummer led season where they played and lost in the Rose Bowl in the mid 90s.

I can appreciate and respect their commitment to the low revenue sports but I think they're missing the point that it is possible to feature those sports AND make money.

I can't speak to the SEC Network (for example), but I do know that sports like Volleyball, Wrestling, Softball, Gymnastics, Lacrosse, Golf, etc, are always being shown on BTN, many times in prime time. BTN also manages to make the conference money.

Seems they have examples of how one can do both. Also seems that they're using that as an excuse for mismanagement.

The BTN actually shows games for sports that member schools play, but aren't BIG sponsored. I've watch men's and women's rowing, women's water polo and men's volleyball. A sports channel is supposed to show spots programming. The BTN is covering Olympic "non-revenue" sports AND making money, so I don't see how this should be a problem for the PTN. Personally, I think the problem is a general lack of interest by Pac-12 "fans" out west.

The SEC Network shows a good number of non-revenue sports as well. Although the league doesn't sponsor as many sports, basically everything we do sponsor will get air time here and there.

The PAC is absolutely using their focus on non-revenue sports as an excuse for mismanagement. They want to control everything...no media partners to help them out with distribution or sub rates. That also means they pay for all the production in-house.

(04-22-2019 12:47 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  As a native Californian, I’ve been saying this for years. The culture out West is completely different than in the South and Midwest. The Pac-12 schools take as much pride in low revenue sports like swimming and water polo as they do in football and basketball. They even brag about it and it’s the reason they call themselves “the Conference of Champions.”

I've heard that... a lot. The evidence just doesn't support that conclusion. It is one thing for the southern California schools to put a few thousand fans in the stands for water polo but, that same event is not attracting viewers to the P12 Network. They are reporting viewership in the low hundreds. In some cases even in dozens.