(07-17-2019 12:30 PM)ruowls Wrote:  I heard one of the 1985 players got in trouble when a reporter asked him what he wanted out of the year. I heard his response was Notre Dame in the Cotton Bowl....if they could make it.

Sounds like somebody I know.

(07-17-2019 06:31 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-17-2019 12:30 PM)ruowls Wrote:  I heard one of the 1985 players got in trouble when a reporter asked him what he wanted out of the year. I heard his response was Notre Dame in the Cotton Bowl....if they could make it.

Sounds like somebody I know.

Sounds like the kind of attitude I’d like to see in a coach.

(07-17-2019 07:19 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(07-17-2019 06:31 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-17-2019 12:30 PM)ruowls Wrote:  I heard one of the 1985 players got in trouble when a reporter asked him what he wanted out of the year. I heard his response was Notre Dame in the Cotton Bowl....if they could make it.

Sounds like somebody I know.

Sounds like the kind of attitude I’d like to see in a coach.

Sounds like the kind of attitude I would like the coach to instill in the team.

(07-17-2019 07:41 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(07-17-2019 12:28 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  Anybody want to guess how many of Rice’s 105 seasons of football have ended up with records over .500? I looked it up already so I know.
The point being, that 6-6 is better than mediocre. It’s historically above average (for Rice).

And if you consider just the seasons of Rice football played in your lifetime, or in mine, it’s even more so.

Give me .500 plus a bowl win any day! (Although this season FTR I’ll be happy just to double last year’s win total.) most years that’s my bar, and most years it’s mathematically possible.

40-ish?

Just 36.
But we also had 9 “.500” seasons way back before 6-6 got you to a bowl that you cant possibly tie to reach .500

Six more weeks. Getting close to time for the annual predictions thread. I wonder who our QB will be.

(07-19-2019 08:30 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Six more weeks. Getting close to time for the annual predictions thread. I wonder who our QB will be.

I'm already ready. I'm praying that Marshman or Greene can beat out the Harvard transfer, but I'm not holding my breath. I'd like to see one of the young guys take over and hold the position until they graduate. We need a long-term solution at that position.

This is a big season. Youth will be all over the field. I hope we get through the first four games relatively healthy. There are games on the schedule that are winnable.

(07-19-2019 12:01 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 08:30 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Six more weeks. Getting close to time for the annual predictions thread. I wonder who our QB will be.

I'm already ready. I'm praying that Marshman or Greene can beat out the Harvard transfer, but I'm not holding my breath. I'd like to see one of the young guys take over and hold the position until they graduate. We need a long-term solution at that position.

This is a big season. Youth will be all over the field. I hope we get through the first four games relatively healthy. There are games on the schedule that are winnable.

No quarrel with any of that, but I want some WINS.

(07-19-2019 12:01 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 08:30 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Six more weeks. Getting close to time for the annual predictions thread. I wonder who our QB will be.

I'm already ready. I'm praying that Marshman or Greene can beat out the Harvard transfer, but I'm not holding my breath. I'd like to see one of the young guys take over and hold the position until they graduate. We need a long-term solution at that position.

This is a big season. Youth will be all over the field. I hope we get through the first four games relatively healthy. There are games on the schedule that are winnable.

I'm divided. One part of me simply wants the better QB there, and I dont care whom that is as long as they maximize the return *this* upcoming season.

But, if the long term payout is a lot better in return for a marginal worse younger QB *this* season, I can see that. But only for a fairly small delta for this year.

The only way I am unabashedly signed onto to your 'younger guy this year' is *if* the younger guy is actually better than the Harvard transfer.

(07-19-2019 05:01 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 12:01 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 08:30 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Six more weeks. Getting close to time for the annual predictions thread. I wonder who our QB will be.

I'm already ready. I'm praying that Marshman or Greene can beat out the Harvard transfer, but I'm not holding my breath. I'd like to see one of the young guys take over and hold the position until they graduate. We need a long-term solution at that position.

This is a big season. Youth will be all over the field. I hope we get through the first four games relatively healthy. There are games on the schedule that are winnable.

I'm divided. One part of me simply wants the better QB there, and I dont care whom that is as long as they maximize the return *this* upcoming season.

But, if the long term payout is a lot better in return for a marginal worse younger QB *this* season, I can see that. But only for a fairly small delta for this year.

The only way I am unabashedly signed onto to your 'younger guy this year' is *if* the younger guy is actually better than the Harvard transfer.

What is the delta between 0-12 and winless?

(07-19-2019 05:24 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 05:01 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 12:01 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 08:30 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Six more weeks. Getting close to time for the annual predictions thread. I wonder who our QB will be.

I'm already ready. I'm praying that Marshman or Greene can beat out the Harvard transfer, but I'm not holding my breath. I'd like to see one of the young guys take over and hold the position until they graduate. We need a long-term solution at that position.

This is a big season. Youth will be all over the field. I hope we get through the first four games relatively healthy. There are games on the schedule that are winnable.

I'm divided. One part of me simply wants the better QB there, and I dont care whom that is as long as they maximize the return *this* upcoming season.

But, if the long term payout is a lot better in return for a marginal worse younger QB *this* season, I can see that. But only for a fairly small delta for this year.

The only way I am unabashedly signed onto to your 'younger guy this year' is *if* the younger guy is actually better than the Harvard transfer.

What is the delta between 0-12 and winless?

number of ties

(07-19-2019 05:01 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 12:01 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 08:30 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Six more weeks. Getting close to time for the annual predictions thread. I wonder who our QB will be.

I'm already ready. I'm praying that Marshman or Greene can beat out the Harvard transfer, but I'm not holding my breath. I'd like to see one of the young guys take over and hold the position until they graduate. We need a long-term solution at that position.

This is a big season. Youth will be all over the field. I hope we get through the first four games relatively healthy. There are games on the schedule that are winnable.

I'm divided. One part of me simply wants the better QB there, and I dont care whom that is as long as they maximize the return *this* upcoming season.

But, if the long term payout is a lot better in return for a marginal worse younger QB *this* season, I can see that. But only for a fairly small delta for this year.

The only way I am unabashedly signed onto to your 'younger guy this year' is *if* the younger guy is actually better than the Harvard transfer.

The known is always better than the unknown. You should always try to play the player that gives you the best chance to win today. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

(07-19-2019 05:01 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 12:01 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 08:30 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Six more weeks. Getting close to time for the annual predictions thread. I wonder who our QB will be.

I'm already ready. I'm praying that Marshman or Greene can beat out the Harvard transfer, but I'm not holding my breath. I'd like to see one of the young guys take over and hold the position until they graduate. We need a long-term solution at that position.

This is a big season. Youth will be all over the field. I hope we get through the first four games relatively healthy. There are games on the schedule that are winnable.

I'm divided. One part of me simply wants the better QB there, and I dont care whom that is as long as they maximize the return *this* upcoming season.

But, if the long term payout is a lot better in return for a marginal worse younger QB *this* season, I can see that. But only for a fairly small delta for this year.

The only way I am unabashedly signed onto to your 'younger guy this year' is *if* the younger guy is actually better than the Harvard transfer.

Agree completely, but Greene showed me enough promise last year to warrant meaningful playing time, even if it's as the backup. Bloomgren wouldn't have redshirted him if he didn't see something he liked. If we're getting blown out, or if we're way ahead in any of these games, Greene needs to be inserted.

You never know what could happen. He could develop into next season's starter, preventing Bloomgren from having to bring in another grad transfer. At the least, playing him builds depth.

I don't want our head coach to muck up this quarterback situation like the last coach. The QB of the future may already be on the roster, but we wouldn't know unless he gets playing time.

(07-20-2019 01:32 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 05:01 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 12:01 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 08:30 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Six more weeks. Getting close to time for the annual predictions thread. I wonder who our QB will be.

I'm already ready. I'm praying that Marshman or Greene can beat out the Harvard transfer, but I'm not holding my breath. I'd like to see one of the young guys take over and hold the position until they graduate. We need a long-term solution at that position.

This is a big season. Youth will be all over the field. I hope we get through the first four games relatively healthy. There are games on the schedule that are winnable.

I'm divided. One part of me simply wants the better QB there, and I dont care whom that is as long as they maximize the return *this* upcoming season.

But, if the long term payout is a lot better in return for a marginal worse younger QB *this* season, I can see that. But only for a fairly small delta for this year.

The only way I am unabashedly signed onto to your 'younger guy this year' is *if* the younger guy is actually better than the Harvard transfer.

Agree completely, but Greene showed me enough promise last year to warrant meaningful playing time, even if it's as the backup. Bloomgren wouldn't have redshirted him if he didn't see something he liked. If we're getting blown out, or if we're way ahead in any of these games, Greene needs to be inserted.

You never know what could happen. He could develop into next season's starter, preventing Bloomgren from having to bring in another grad transfer. At the least, playing him builds depth.

I don't want our head coach to muck up this quarterback situation like the last coach. The QB of the future may already be on the roster, but we wouldn't know unless he gets playing time.

We hired a guy to make this judgement for us. His name is Bloomgren. I will be interested to see who he chooses and why.

Winning now vs. (maybe) winning more later. I am a win now guy. I don't care much if he does it with the 2020 presumed QB or a one and done guy or the fifth year senior water boy There are pluses to winning that won't happen if we treat 2019 as one long practice. Recruiting pluses. Fund raising pluses. Attendance pluses.

Win. That is why we play.

JMHO.

Completely agree. Win win win. That’s the only goal in Div 1 football (outside of education). Joe Montana could find another year of eligibility and the Owls aren’t going to win this year. I predict Bloom goes with Harvard using the experience and maturity in the locker room for his reason since he ran off most all of the upperclassmen.
Doesn’t matter who’s under Center this year lucky to win 1. We don’t have PV on the schedule for the sure fire win this time.
Army will roll us up. Losing Crumb and Wilkins up front will hurt in week one.
Won’t be able to handle Wake again.
Texas will either think they are national champ bound after beating LSU and come to town with something to prove or be pissed off they lost to LSU and come in to town with something to prove. After that just don’t see any wins on the schedule.

(07-20-2019 04:45 PM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  Completely agree. Win win win. That’s the only goal in Div 1 football (outside of education). Joe Montana could find another year of eligibility and the Owls aren’t going to win this year. I predict Bloom goes with Harvard using the experience and maturity in the locker room for his reason since he ran off most all of the upperclassmen.
Doesn’t matter who’s under Center this year lucky to win 1. We don’t have PV on the schedule for the sure fire win this time.
Army will roll us up. Losing Crumb and Wilkins up front will hurt in week one.
Won’t be able to handle Wake again.
Texas will either think they are national champ bound after beating LSU and come to town with something to prove or be pissed off they lost to LSU and come in to town with something to prove. After that just don’t see any wins on the schedule.

So you think Army will win at home against us more than they beat UH in Ft. Worth, 70-14?

(07-20-2019 04:29 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-20-2019 01:32 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 05:01 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 12:01 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 08:30 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Six more weeks. Getting close to time for the annual predictions thread. I wonder who our QB will be.

I'm already ready. I'm praying that Marshman or Greene can beat out the Harvard transfer, but I'm not holding my breath. I'd like to see one of the young guys take over and hold the position until they graduate. We need a long-term solution at that position.

This is a big season. Youth will be all over the field. I hope we get through the first four games relatively healthy. There are games on the schedule that are winnable.

I'm divided. One part of me simply wants the better QB there, and I dont care whom that is as long as they maximize the return *this* upcoming season.

But, if the long term payout is a lot better in return for a marginal worse younger QB *this* season, I can see that. But only for a fairly small delta for this year.

The only way I am unabashedly signed onto to your 'younger guy this year' is *if* the younger guy is actually better than the Harvard transfer.

Agree completely, but Greene showed me enough promise last year to warrant meaningful playing time, even if it's as the backup. Bloomgren wouldn't have redshirted him if he didn't see something he liked. If we're getting blown out, or if we're way ahead in any of these games, Greene needs to be inserted.

You never know what could happen. He could develop into next season's starter, preventing Bloomgren from having to bring in another grad transfer. At the least, playing him builds depth.

I don't want our head coach to muck up this quarterback situation like the last coach. The QB of the future may already be on the roster, but we wouldn't know unless he gets playing time.

We hired a guy to make this judgement for us. His name is Bloomgren. I will be interested to see who he chooses and why.

Winning now vs. (maybe) winning more later. I am a win now guy. I don't care much if he does it with the 2020 presumed QB or a one and done guy or the fifth year senior water boy There are pluses to winning that won't happen if we treat 2019 as one long practice. Recruiting pluses. Fund raising pluses. Attendance pluses.

Win. That is why we play.

JMHO.

Agreed. The coaches see so much more in practice, meetings, etc., than fans will ever see on the playing field. If they see enough, Greene, or any of the other guys, will play.

At least that’s my understanding of what the coaches are paid to do - find the talent that can succeed not only on the field, but in the classroom, get that talent on campus, coach it up, and win!

(07-20-2019 04:29 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Winning now vs. (maybe) winning more later. I am a win now guy. I don't care much if he does it with the 2020 presumed QB or a one and done guy or the fifth year senior water boy. There are pluses to winning that won't happen if we treat 2019 as one long practice. Recruiting pluses. Fund raising pluses. Attendance pluses.
Win. That is why we play.
JMHO.

I'm a win now and win later guy. Here's what I mean. I want to win every game. But if we're down 28-0 in the fourth quarter (or even late third), then it's time to give playing time to the people we are going to win later with. Win every game we can win. But don't wear people out in hopeless causes.

Great generals, like Patton and MacArthur and Robert E. Lee, among others, understood that you can't afford to get people killed fighting battles that you can't win. What I don't care a bit about is leaving the starters in to try to keep the score respectable. If it gets past the point that the starters can win, then it's time to put somebody else out there.

To me, there is a bigger difference between winning by 1 and losing by 1, than there is between losing by 1 and losing by 50, or between winning by 1 and winning by 50.

(07-20-2019 05:47 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I'm a win now and win later guy. Here's what I mean. I want to win every game. But if we're down 28-0 in the fourth quarter (or even late third), then it's time to give playing time to the people we are going to win later with. Win every game we can win. But don't wear people out in hopeless causes.

Makes sense to me. No need to keep playing starters and stars in a lost cause, and the subs can use the PT to get better.

But what I think I am hearing is more along the lines of play the subs now, as starters, so they can get ready for 2020.

(07-20-2019 05:40 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  

(07-20-2019 04:45 PM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  Completely agree. Win win win. That’s the only goal in Div 1 football (outside of education). Joe Montana could find another year of eligibility and the Owls aren’t going to win this year. I predict Bloom goes with Harvard using the experience and maturity in the locker room for his reason since he ran off most all of the upperclassmen.
Doesn’t matter who’s under Center this year lucky to win 1. We don’t have PV on the schedule for the sure fire win this time.
Army will roll us up. Losing Crumb and Wilkins up front will hurt in week one.
Won’t be able to handle Wake again.
Texas will either think they are national champ bound after beating LSU and come to town with something to prove or be pissed off they lost to LSU and come in to town with something to prove. After that just don’t see any wins on the schedule.

So you think Army will win at home against us more than they beat UH in Ft. Worth, 70-14?

Not that bad but won’t beat them

(07-20-2019 06:54 PM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  

(07-20-2019 05:40 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  

(07-20-2019 04:45 PM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  Completely agree. Win win win. That’s the only goal in Div 1 football (outside of education). Joe Montana could find another year of eligibility and the Owls aren’t going to win this year. I predict Bloom goes with Harvard using the experience and maturity in the locker room for his reason since he ran off most all of the upperclassmen.
Doesn’t matter who’s under Center this year lucky to win 1. We don’t have PV on the schedule for the sure fire win this time.
Army will roll us up. Losing Crumb and Wilkins up front will hurt in week one.
Won’t be able to handle Wake again.
Texas will either think they are national champ bound after beating LSU and come to town with something to prove or be pissed off they lost to LSU and come in to town with something to prove. After that just don’t see any wins on the schedule.

So you think Army will win at home against us more than they beat UH in Ft. Worth, 70-14?

Not that bad but won’t beat them

PV was not a sure fire win.