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(09-16-2019 12:30 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  I"m standing by my plan to give them 4 weeks before starting to make any strong evaluations. Let's see how they respond to being completely dominated and embarrassed. They've got a perhaps surprising Bills team next followed by a struggling nemesis, Pittsburgh, who might or might not have Big Ben. These first two weeks show how different a team can look from week to week.

But yeah, I couldn't help but notice that Tua had a "career" game last week...

Or how Lamar Jackson has been tearing it up. Running AND passing. In hindsight, I wonder how his running ability would have helped off set the bad OL play of the Bengals.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2763...ow-surgery


Roethlisberger out for season with elbow surgery.

(09-16-2019 11:16 AM)cincybb51 Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2763...ow-surgery


Roethlisberger out for season with elbow surgery.

Trying to steal the Bengals draft pick.

(09-16-2019 12:04 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-16-2019 11:16 AM)cincybb51 Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2763...ow-surgery


Roethlisberger out for season with elbow surgery.

Trying to steal the Bengals draft pick.

This only means Big Ben's backup will go for 400 yards and 4-TDs against the Bengals.

(09-16-2019 12:04 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-16-2019 11:16 AM)cincybb51 Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2763...ow-surgery


Roethlisberger out for season with elbow surgery.

Trying to steal the Bengals draft pick.

Maybe they can trade them Dalton for Devin Bush.

Bengals do what Bengals do. 0 and 3.
Losing in classic Bengal fashion — game on the line, Red throws high, resulting in a pick, to end the game.
He may be a nice guy but Dalton is not the answer.

Bengals take the lead late. Defense immediately folds like a tent lets buffalo go the length of the field for a td

(09-22-2019 03:31 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Bengals take the lead late. Defense immediately folds like a tent lets buffalo go the length of the field for a td

Yeah but with the help of a face mask by Knox on his long reception and a obvious missed holding call when we had Allen in trouble.

(09-22-2019 03:31 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Bengals take the lead late. Defense immediately folds like a tent lets buffalo go the length of the field for a td

Bengals are toast...the O-Line and D-Line smell--they are too old on the D-Line and too old or inexperienced on the O-Line...it's why I took the under for 7 wins on the season...easy money.

I feel so liberated that I didn't waste my time watching the Bengals and was able to spend the past 2 Sundays outside with my family enjoying this beautiful fall weather.

Was it the offensive lines fault again this week? I see that Mixon averaged 4.1 ypc, and Dalton was only sacked twice, so they couldn't have been too awful? I also read that the Bengals didn't complete a pass in the 1st qtr. Too bad Miami is still probably worse than the Bengals, otherwise they'd be set up pretty good to get Tua. It is more likely they will end up with Fromm from Georgia.

The line was dreadful in the first half and they couldn't run at all. The second half they finally had some success on thr ground and not surprisingly the offense put up 17 second half points with dalton throwing for a td and running for a td. When they finally ran ok that actually opened up some stuff and they looked competent on offense.

Doesn't matter. The line still is probably the worst in the NFL. The lack of sacks has a lot to with dalton getting rid of the ball quickly. They are bad and hopefully the Bengals will have a shot at a true difference maker qb. I do worry about ruining a young qb if they don't fix the offensive line though.

(09-22-2019 07:35 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  The line was dreadful in the first half and they couldn't run at all. The second half they finally had some success on thr ground and not surprisingly the offense put up 17 second half points with dalton throwing for a td and running for a td. When they finally ran ok that actually opened up some stuff and they looked competent on offense.

Doesn't matter. The line still is probably the worst in the NFL. The lack of sacks has a lot to with dalton getting rid of the ball quickly. They are bad and hopefully the Bengals will have a shot at a true difference maker qb. I do worry about ruining a young qb if they don't fix the offensive line though.

Build the line THEN draft the QB maybe in a year or 2

(09-22-2019 08:05 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 07:35 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  The line was dreadful in the first half and they couldn't run at all. The second half they finally had some success on thr ground and not surprisingly the offense put up 17 second half points with dalton throwing for a td and running for a td. When they finally ran ok that actually opened up some stuff and they looked competent on offense.

Doesn't matter. The line still is probably the worst in the NFL. The lack of sacks has a lot to with dalton getting rid of the ball quickly. They are bad and hopefully the Bengals will have a shot at a true difference maker qb. I do worry about ruining a young qb if they don't fix the offensive line though.

Build the line THEN draft the QB maybe in a year or 2

You can't pass up the chance to get a franchise caliber QB. I would agree that you don't reach but the Bengals are likely picking top 5 this year. None of the guys coming out this year are Trevor Lawrence but if you think one them is a good starter you have to take them. Unless you're willing to go full Miami Dolphins mode in 2020 you can't count on getting a pick that high again the next year.

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(09-22-2019 08:17 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 08:05 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 07:35 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  The line was dreadful in the first half and they couldn't run at all. The second half they finally had some success on thr ground and not surprisingly the offense put up 17 second half points with dalton throwing for a td and running for a td. When they finally ran ok that actually opened up some stuff and they looked competent on offense.

Doesn't matter. The line still is probably the worst in the NFL. The lack of sacks has a lot to with dalton getting rid of the ball quickly. They are bad and hopefully the Bengals will have a shot at a true difference maker qb. I do worry about ruining a young qb if they don't fix the offensive line though.

Build the line THEN draft the QB maybe in a year or 2

You can't pass up the chance to get a franchise caliber QB. I would agree that you don't reach but the Bengals are likely picking top 5 this year. None of the guys coming out this year are Trevor Lawrence but if you think one them is a good starter you have to take them. Unless you're willing to go full Miami Dolphins mode in 2020 you can't count on getting a pick that high again the next year.

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This team needs so much help I don’t think it’s a stretch to go full Miami in 2020 without even trying. The offensive line is garbage at all 5 spots. The D line is aging out. There are zero linebackers. I mean this team is 3 decent drafts away from restocking all positions.

(09-22-2019 08:20 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 08:17 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 08:05 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 07:35 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  The line was dreadful in the first half and they couldn't run at all. The second half they finally had some success on thr ground and not surprisingly the offense put up 17 second half points with dalton throwing for a td and running for a td. When they finally ran ok that actually opened up some stuff and they looked competent on offense.

Doesn't matter. The line still is probably the worst in the NFL. The lack of sacks has a lot to with dalton getting rid of the ball quickly. They are bad and hopefully the Bengals will have a shot at a true difference maker qb. I do worry about ruining a young qb if they don't fix the offensive line though.

Build the line THEN draft the QB maybe in a year or 2

You can't pass up the chance to get a franchise caliber QB. I would agree that you don't reach but the Bengals are likely picking top 5 this year. None of the guys coming out this year are Trevor Lawrence but if you think one them is a good starter you have to take them. Unless you're willing to go full Miami Dolphins mode in 2020 you can't count on getting a pick that high again the next year.

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This team needs so much help I don’t think it’s a stretch to go full Miami in 2020 without even trying. The offensive line is garbage at all 5 spots. The D line is aging out. There are zero linebackers. I mean this team is 3 decent drafts away from restocking all positions.

Too many misses from previous drafts. i know the ownership is what it is but with the new HC did we also take a look at a new player personnel staff or is it the same personnel from Marvin's regime? if it's the latter we may need to make changes there first. Can't keep giving them chances if they keep missing, especially since the Bengals primarily build through the draft.

(09-22-2019 07:35 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  The line was dreadful in the first half and they couldn't run at all. The second half they finally had some success on thr ground and not surprisingly the offense put up 17 second half points with dalton throwing for a td and running for a td. When they finally ran ok that actually opened up some stuff and they looked competent on offense.

Doesn't matter. The line still is probably the worst in the NFL. The lack of sacks has a lot to with dalton getting rid of the ball quickly. They are bad and hopefully the Bengals will have a shot at a true difference maker qb. I do worry about ruining a young qb if they don't fix the offensive line though.

Agree that they are bad, but don't forget they are missing probably their two best OL in Jonah and Cordy. And I don't know what the deal is with Billy Price, but hopefully, he's just going through the ups and downs of returning from injury. Seems to have the right attitude fwiw. I don't see the OL being very good this year, but I could see it being reasonably reliable by next year with good health and a few tweaks.

(09-22-2019 03:48 PM)cincybb51 Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 03:31 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Bengals take the lead late. Defense immediately folds like a tent lets buffalo go the length of the field for a td

Yeah but with the help of a face mask by Knox on his long reception and a obvious missed holding call when we had Allen in trouble.

I thought those were so blatant that I question how the officials missed them. I'm not saying they lost because of the officials but there were a lot of very questionable calls that nearly all seemed to go against the Bengals. That QB (non?)fumble call on the field was similarly incomprehensible. Replay corrects it but then claims Bengals recovered it out of bounds with apparently no video evidence showing it? And I don't know if a whistle was blown, but I still haven't heard exactly how the DB "intentionally and clearly gave himself up" by diving to get that final interception and then quickly getting up and running around with the ball through the endzone. I could go on but I'm getting closer to believing that every loss is actually for the best in the long run.

(09-22-2019 08:17 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 08:05 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 07:35 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  The line was dreadful in the first half and they couldn't run at all. The second half they finally had some success on thr ground and not surprisingly the offense put up 17 second half points with dalton throwing for a td and running for a td. When they finally ran ok that actually opened up some stuff and they looked competent on offense.

Doesn't matter. The line still is probably the worst in the NFL. The lack of sacks has a lot to with dalton getting rid of the ball quickly. They are bad and hopefully the Bengals will have a shot at a true difference maker qb. I do worry about ruining a young qb if they don't fix the offensive line though.

Build the line THEN draft the QB maybe in a year or 2

You can't pass up the chance to get a franchise caliber QB. I would agree that you don't reach but the Bengals are likely picking top 5 this year. None of the guys coming out this year are Trevor Lawrence but if you think one them is a good starter you have to take them. Unless you're willing to go full Miami Dolphins mode in 2020 you can't count on getting a pick that high again the next year.

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I agree. We'll see how things play out but right now they'd be insane to pass on Tua if he's available to them. He's a bit hard to evaluate as AL isn't really getting tested, but he's putting up some monster numbers. Not as sure about Hebert and others yet, but we can't pass on adding a "franchise" QB if he's available especially financially given Dalton's contract status.

How many games you think this team has in them? I'm looking at 5 wins at the outside....

I'd guess 5 and that's only because of the Roethlisberger injury. I'll give them splits with Pittsburgh and Cleveland and wins over Arizona, Miami, and NYJ.

A Dalton injury and I'd have them at 1-15 beating Miami.

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