(04-27-2019 09:44 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(04-27-2019 09:40 AM)zoocrew Wrote:  AAC football today is better than Big East football ever was.

By what measure?

I followed it for 20 years. If you want to go back to the 90’s before Tech and The U left then sure. But the Big East post that I can’t see any argument for. It needed to be ended.

I would make another change to the NY6 structure. I would have a spot in the NY6 for any team ranked in the Top 16 that did not qualify for the CFP semifinals.

In the five years of CFP rankings, the number of Top 16 teams by conference was:

B1G 18
SEC 17
B12 14
PAC 14
ACC 14 (including Notre Dame)
AAC 2
MAC 1

Going back ten years and including the BCS rankings, teams not currently in a P5 conference would have made the NY6 a total of 10 times. UCF and Boise 3 apiece, plus Western Michigan, BYU, Cincinnati and Nevada once each.

I believe that if you were to change the NY6 structure in this way, voting habits in the future would also change, giving the benefit of the doubt more often to non-P5 teams who are near the cut line of #16.

(04-27-2019 11:21 AM)ken d Wrote:  I would make another change to the NY6 structure. I would have a spot in the NY6 for any team ranked in the Top 16 that did not qualify for the CFP semifinals.

Sounds good but an NY6 only gives you 12 spots so not all of the Top 16 will find a spot.

Move it to a NY8 though and there is room for the full Top 16.

(04-27-2019 09:40 AM)zoocrew Wrote:  AAC football today is better than Big East football ever was.

You're kidding, right?

Forget about the pre - 2004 Big East that had Miami and VT, teams that won and played for national championships. The 2004 - 2012 Big East was CLEARLY better than the AAC has been.

Put it this way: By Sagarin and the Massey Composite, the 2004 - 2012 Big East was better than at least one of the current P5 conferences in all but two years. Over that time, the Big East was better than every other AQ conference at least once, with the exception of the SEC.

In contrast, during the CFP era the AAC has never been within a MILE of being better than any of the P5/AQ conferences. Not once, never.

Also, the AAC has finished behind another G5, the MW, twice in the five years of the CFP. In contrast, from 2005 - 2012 the Big East never finished behind any non-Power conference.

There's no comparison, even the "rump" eight-team Big East after Miami and VT left was clearly better than today's AAC.

(04-27-2019 10:03 AM)zoocrew Wrote:  

(04-27-2019 09:44 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(04-27-2019 09:40 AM)zoocrew Wrote:  AAC football today is better than Big East football ever was.

By what measure?

I followed it for 20 years. If you want to go back to the 90’s before Tech and The U left then sure. But the Big East post that I can’t see any argument for. It needed to be ended.

You didnt answer the question. I think that BE from 2005-2012 was a bit better on the field, with much better traditional name brands, which is why ESPN was willing to pay the BE twice as much as what the AAC just signed for. And that was eight years ago. I would not be opposed to the argument that the two leagues were about the same on the field, or that they were close. But to say that "the AAC is better than the BE ever was and there is no argument against it" is somewhat, a silly statement.


EDIT: Sorry Quo, you posted after I started typing my post. I have to learn to stop trying to watch tv while trying to post. You did a much better job of stating your case than I did.

(04-27-2019 11:47 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(04-27-2019 10:03 AM)zoocrew Wrote:  

(04-27-2019 09:44 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(04-27-2019 09:40 AM)zoocrew Wrote:  AAC football today is better than Big East football ever was.

By what measure?

I followed it for 20 years. If you want to go back to the 90’s before Tech and The U left then sure. But the Big East post that I can’t see any argument for. It needed to be ended.

You didnt answer the question. I think that BE from 2005-2012 was a bit better on the field, with much better traditional name brands, which is why ESPN was willing to pay the BE twice as much as what the AAC just signed for. And that was eight years ago. I would not be opposed to the argument that the two leagues were about the same on the field, or that they were close. But to say that "the AAC is better than the BE ever was and there is no argument against it" is somewhat, a silly statement.

BE football in its darkest days was at least as good as the Top 8 of the AAC.

In its best days it was better than the ACC, top to bottom.

(04-27-2019 11:47 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(04-27-2019 10:03 AM)zoocrew Wrote:  

(04-27-2019 09:44 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(04-27-2019 09:40 AM)zoocrew Wrote:  AAC football today is better than Big East football ever was.

By what measure?

I followed it for 20 years. If you want to go back to the 90’s before Tech and The U left then sure. But the Big East post that I can’t see any argument for. It needed to be ended.

You didnt answer the question. I think that BE from 2005-2012 was a bit better on the field, with much better traditional name brands, which is why ESPN was willing to pay the BE twice as much as what the AAC just signed for. And that was eight years ago. I would not be opposed to the argument that the two leagues were about the same on the field, or that they were close. But to say that "the AAC is better than the BE ever was and there is no argument against it" is somewhat, a silly statement.


EDIT: Sorry Quo, you posted after I started typing my post. I have to learn to stop trying to watch tv while trying to post. You did a much better job of stating your case than I did.

BUT TRADITIONAL NAME BRANDS!!!!! LIKE SYRACUSE FOOTBALL!!!

Yikes how could i forget about that.....never mind in that case 2012 Big East > SEC for sure.

(04-27-2019 11:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-27-2019 09:40 AM)zoocrew Wrote:  AAC football today is better than Big East football ever was.

You're kidding, right?

Forget about the pre - 2004 Big East that had Miami and VT, teams that won and played for national championships. The 2004 - 2012 Big East was CLEARLY better than the AAC has been.

Put it this way: By Sagarin and the Massey Composite, the 2004 - 2012 Big East was better than at least one of the current P5 conferences in all but two years. Over that time, the Big East was better than every other AQ conference at least once, with the exception of the SEC.

In contrast, during the CFP era the AAC has never been within a MILE of being better than any of the P5/AQ conferences. Not once, never.

Also, the AAC has finished behind another G5, the MW, twice in the five years of the CFP. In contrast, from 2005 - 2012 the Big East never finished behind any non-Power conference.

There's no comparison, even the "rump" eight-team Big East after Miami and VT left was clearly better than today's AAC.

Yeah, this isn’t up for contention.

Remember ‘07 when 2 programs reached a high of AP top 2, 4 reached top 10, & 6 reached top 16?

Or ‘06 when 3 programs peaked AP top 7 and finished top 12?

Or ‘08 & 09 when 5 programs got ranked at some point?

And the Big East was doing this with a membership of 8, not 12.

(04-27-2019 12:59 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  

(04-27-2019 11:47 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(04-27-2019 10:03 AM)zoocrew Wrote:  

(04-27-2019 09:44 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(04-27-2019 09:40 AM)zoocrew Wrote:  AAC football today is better than Big East football ever was.

By what measure?

I followed it for 20 years. If you want to go back to the 90’s before Tech and The U left then sure. But the Big East post that I can’t see any argument for. It needed to be ended.

You didnt answer the question. I think that BE from 2005-2012 was a bit better on the field, with much better traditional name brands, which is why ESPN was willing to pay the BE twice as much as what the AAC just signed for. And that was eight years ago. I would not be opposed to the argument that the two leagues were about the same on the field, or that they were close. But to say that "the AAC is better than the BE ever was and there is no argument against it" is somewhat, a silly statement.


EDIT: Sorry Quo, you posted after I started typing my post. I have to learn to stop trying to watch tv while trying to post. You did a much better job of stating your case than I did.

BUT TRADITIONAL NAME BRANDS!!!!! LIKE SYRACUSE FOOTBALL!!!

Yikes how could i forget about that.....never mind in that case 2012 Big East > SEC for sure.

And you still have not answered the question. By what measure is "AAC football much better than the BE ever was?" We are waiting for you, a professed "Pitt fan" to enlighten us with your explanation.

(04-27-2019 11:26 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(04-27-2019 11:21 AM)ken d Wrote:  I would make another change to the NY6 structure. I would have a spot in the NY6 for any team ranked in the Top 16 that did not qualify for the CFP semifinals.

Sounds good but an NY6 only gives you 12 spots so not all of the Top 16 will find a spot.

Move it to a NY8 though and there is room for the full Top 16.

The other four spots are the CFP semifinals.

In my world, the NY6 are separate from the CFP, though they include guaranteed spots for the CFP quarterfinal losers. They are:

Rose......B1G vs PAC
Sugar.....SEC vs B12
Orange...ACC/ND vs SEC
Fiesta.....PAC vs MWC
Peach.....B1G vs AAC
Cotton....B12 vs At large

If a conference doesn't have enough teams in the Top 16 to fill these commitments, their spot becomes at large. So, let's say in 2018 Alabama, Clemson, Georgia and Ohio State win their quarterfinal game and advance in the CFP. Because the MWC did not have a team in the Top 16, the NY6 pairings are:

Rose......(7) Michigan vs (9) Washington
Sugar.....(10) Florida vs (4) Oklahoma
Orange...(3) Notre Dame vs (11) LSU
Fiesta.....(13) Washington St vs (16) West Virginia
Peach.....(12) Penn State vs (8) UCF
Cotton....(15) Texas vs (14) Kentucky