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The Future of JMU Athletics
(04-16-2019 11:10 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  I have been in a spider hole for the last 5 years, but if in the next 5 years, we could accomplish half of these aspirational goals, that would be remarkable.

- two national championships
- a national champ runner up
- an elite 8 appearance
- a nationally ranked softball program
- a final 4 NIT run
- build a transformational arena for basketball, university events and concerts
- build a basketball only practice facility
- an indoor football practice facility
- an espn game day appearance
- numerous CAA championships
- hire two outstanding football coaches
- replace a legendary woman's basketball coach and then beat him in his return 3 years latter with a P5 team
- an indoor tennis facility
- set fundraising records each year
- I would add more, but that would be too much of a reach for a department lead by an accountant


oh wait, all that happened in the last 5 years? I dont care, our admin sux and we have no vision.

Hey. Stay on point with Dukeman’s intended narrative!
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(04-16-2019 09:23 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  
(04-16-2019 09:14 AM)Potomac Wrote:  Losing a lot of games and downgrading to D3 to join our traditional rivals in the ODAC.

Really bringing something to the conversation huh. Taking after DukemanX?

Are there any DAX writers on this board?

DUKEMANX looks like a DAX iterator function like SUMX or COUNTX

JMU = COUNTX(
FILTER('Vision'/dim_conferences/,
="CAA Sucks" // "CAA Blows")
)

The syntax is wrong, my phone does not have the correct symbols.
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(04-16-2019 11:10 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  I have been in a spider hole for the last 5 years, but if in the next 5 years, we could accomplish half of these aspirational goals, that would be remarkable.

- two national championships
- a national champ runner up
- an elite 8 appearance
- a nationally ranked softball program
- a final 4 NIT run
- build a transformational arena for basketball, university events and concerts
- build a basketball only practice facility
- an indoor football practice facility
- an espn game day appearance
- numerous CAA championships
- hire two outstanding football coaches
- replace a legendary woman's basketball coach and then beat him in his return 3 years latter with a P5 team
- an indoor tennis facility
- set fundraising records each year
- I would add more, but that would be too much of a reach for a department lead by an accountant


oh wait, all that happened in the last 5 years? I dont care, our admin sux and we have no vision.

Not to nitpick, but there were two ESPN game day appearances (Withers' second year [2015] and Houston's second year [2017]05-stirthepot), right?
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(04-16-2019 10:12 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  everybody everywhere has the worst newspaper ever except where they grew up

DNR *is* a horrible newspaper, and if you don't agree you need to try reading some decent ones. I haven't seen it in years, but the Columbia Missourian used to be, and I think still is, written and published by journalism students at the University of Missouri and was always a damn good newspaper. The Capital Times in Madison, WI, was a good paper too, although I think it may have gone somewhat downhill in recent years; it is still not as bad as the DNR. (Its companion, the Wisconsin State Journal, is not so great.)
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You probably think the Breeze is a good newspaper right?

I don't read the DNR daily but I'll glance at it when I need a headline or something. The capital times in Madison WI is of no interest to me, nor is the Wisconsin state journal.
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Who reads the DNR outside of Madia's stuff?!
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Madia is an amazing journalist.
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(04-16-2019 04:21 AM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  What is the plan?

I'm sure this has been posted before, but it's worth noting again: https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances
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(04-17-2019 02:38 PM)DirtyDukes Wrote:  Who reads the DNR outside of Madia's stuff?!

This....except I read Mettlen's coverage as well. They both do a fine job for small, non P5 town reporting. Could care less about the turkey slaughter reports or the farm variances issued.
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Was browsing our rankings this afternoon on Massey for all sports...thought this may be a good place to share it. (obviously some are not finished for the year)

Men's Soccer: #10
Women's Lacrosse: #13
Softball: #16
Women's Basketball: #60
Women's Volleyball: #82
Women's Soccer: #95
Women's Tennis: #98
Football: #107 (in D1, not just FCS)
Men's Tennis: #116
Baseball: #154
Men's Basketball: #249

3 in the Top 20: Softball, WLAX, and MSOC
4 more in the Top 100: WBB, WSOC, WTEN, WVB
2 more in the Top 120: FB, MTEN
Only 2 outside the Top 120: BSB, MBB

3 programs in the top 20 in all of D1 as a non-P5 is pretty amazing (not counting FCS FB). Really, for a non-P5, the fact that we only have two programs that ranked outside the top 120 is impressive, especially when the margin of error is pretty small for ranking highly with the scheduling for most of our teams being weaker thanks to most of our conference schedule. It also shows how truly terrible we are at MBB. Baseball is lagging also, but not nearly as bad. Considering there are nearly 70 P5 teams (who because of $$, exposure, name, brand, facilities, etc are hard to compete with), the fact that for most sports we rank either within that or just outside of that level is great. Is there room for improvement, obviously, but when you look at the actual rankings across the board, our athletics program is doing great and sets a very high standard...except for one glaring problem...cough...MBB...cough...
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The future of JMU athletics involves women’s tennis winning a CAA championship for the first time in program history. We’re so incompetently led.

You tell em, Dukeman!
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What other CAA school gives FCOA to all athletes?
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(04-18-2019 02:33 PM)jmufan2008 Wrote:  Was browsing our rankings this afternoon on Massey for all sports...thought this may be a good place to share it. (obviously some are not finished for the year)

Men's Soccer: #10
Women's Lacrosse: #13
Softball: #16
Women's Basketball: #60
Women's Volleyball: #82
Women's Soccer: #95
Women's Tennis: #98
Football: #107 (in D1, not just FCS)
Men's Tennis: #116
Baseball: #154
Men's Basketball: #249

3 programs in the top 20 in all of D1 as a non-P5 is pretty amazing (not counting FCS FB). Really, for a non-P5, the fact that we only have two programs that ranked outside the top 120 is impressive, especially when the margin of error is pretty small for ranking highly with the scheduling for most of our teams being weaker thanks to most of our conference schedule. It also shows how truly terrible we are at MBB. Baseball is lagging also, but not nearly as bad. Considering there are nearly 70 P5 teams (who because of $$, exposure, name, brand, facilities, etc are hard to compete with), the fact that for most sports we rank either within that or just outside of that level is great. Is there room for improvement, obviously, but when you look at the actual rankings across the board, our athletics program is doing great and sets a very high standard...except for one glaring problem...cough...MBB...cough...

Those are interesting numbers and we know only FBS Football and Men's Basketball move the needle for the pecking order of NCAA athletics. For all the other sports, it is nice to have success and certainly shows a well rounded athletics program. It does not advance the overall department though. If golf is first or last in the CAA, it has zero impact on the athletics department. Not financially, not for prestige, not for brand awareness. I love golf, but I also know it is irrelevant in the grand scheme.
The concern for many is where is the sustainable revenue for JMU and Bourne has even elaborated on it in one of his monologues "money matters."
It would seem that JMU has put the cart before the horse and failed to acknowledge that THE money maker in NCAA athletics is Men's basketball = 75% of all NCAA revenue. The Dukes latest budget shows $51.7 in expenses, but only $2 million spent on Men's basketball. That ratio is so far out of line with any other school in the NCAA. Of the 61 NCAA programs that spend more on athletics than JMU, 52 are P5 programs and 9 are G5 programs. None of them come close to spending as little as JMU does on Men's basketball. Not even in the same area code. Just looking at the head basketball coach investment for the top 62 athletic budgets in the NCAA, the lowest paid is, of course, Louis Rowe at $270,000 annually. The next lowest is San Diego St. which is more than 3X that of JMU at $830,000. 04-jawdrop
This is what I consider not even trying to compete.

Why does this matter? The only performance based NCAA distributions JMU can tap into are from the Men's basketball tournament. Of the massive $1 billion the tournament generates each year, about $400 million is distributed back to participating teams based on performance and the payouts last 6 years for each tourney appearance along with additions for any wins. The CAA's conference sharing formula takes 50% of the distributions for an excellence fund that rewards the teams that actually win the games. That's right, Our Dear ol' Dukes tourney win in 2013 has a final payout this year.

There are some other formula distributions that the NCAA returns to its members from the remainder of the $1 billion basketball pot o'gold, but they have nothing to do with performance so it would seem that a wise athletics department would maximize its Men's Basketball program first, then worry about other programs second. Of course, we are smarter than everyone else and have decided to heavily fund non profit sports first and then perpetuate the myth that there isn't enough money to fund men's basketball in efforts to compete nationally. The annual allocation of $51.7 million should indeed be questioned.

A strong mid-major hoops team with consistent appearances in the tourney and mixing in some wins occasionally can reel in an additional $3 million annually in distributions not to mention the increased ticket revenue, licensing, etc. What other sport can offer a bonus like that? Until JMU shows that it has big-time million $ boosters, Men's basketball should be the default big-time booster. 04-cheers
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Show me link where you get the figure that JMU is only spending $2 million on MBB.
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Does the word Title IX mean anything to you? How about we put all of our money into basketball like App St. does for football? After all, the purpose of a university is simply to maximize the money its athletics program can make.

JMU’s athletics departments mission is to fully fund all athletics and maximize the student athletes experience. I’d say they are executing on that mission. What you are proposing is for JMU to act like a business and maximize its revenue by decreasing funding in other sports so that it can increase funding in men’s basketball.

I love basketball probably more than most on here. I have missed one CAA tournament in the last 34 years. Your argument is more of the same where fans look for something to complain about. We don’t live in a perfect world. The administration is spending close to $100 million to make JMU men’s basketball competitive again. I’d say that is a heck of a commitment.
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(04-21-2019 11:22 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  Show me link where you get the figure that JMU is only spending $2 million on MBB.

https://www.jmu.edu/financeoffice/accoun...ents.shtml

This looks to be what you're looking for. Not sure why the 2018 one has VMI listed as the title, looks like someone made a copy and paste mistake. That being said, the numbers look to be about what I expected.
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(04-22-2019 07:22 AM)JMU08 Wrote:  
(04-21-2019 11:22 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  Show me link where you get the figure that JMU is only spending $2 million on MBB.

https://www.jmu.edu/financeoffice/accoun...ents.shtml

This looks to be what you're looking for. Not sure why the 2018 one has VMI listed as the title, looks like someone made a copy and paste mistake. That being said, the numbers look to be about what I expected.

The MBB operating expenses for 2018 were $2,761,000 (audited). I thought your $2 mil was low. Perhaps you were reading the deficit line posted immediately under the expenses line? Understating actual expenses by a near 27% is substantial.
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(04-22-2019 07:42 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(04-22-2019 07:22 AM)JMU08 Wrote:  
(04-21-2019 11:22 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  Show me link where you get the figure that JMU is only spending $2 million on MBB.

https://www.jmu.edu/financeoffice/accoun...ents.shtml

This looks to be what you're looking for. Not sure why the 2018 one has VMI listed as the title, looks like someone made a copy and paste mistake. That being said, the numbers look to be about what I expected.

The MBB operating expenses for 2018 were $2,761,000 (audited). I thought your $2 mil was low. Perhaps you were reading the deficit line posted immediately under the expenses line? Understating actual expenses by a near 27% is substantial.

Maybe take a step back. I just posted the information... I didn't say anything about 2 million, was just trying to clear things up with factual and recent documents.

I will chime in and say 2.7m isn't anything special in regards to MBB. I believe it's around average in the CAA from what I remember.
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it's hilarious how some people just blindly look at men's hoops and student subsidy without any thought or comment about anything else.

i think some on here want us to be George Mason.

Let's compare finances for the two:

Ticket Sales: JMU 3,090,411.....GMU 777,143
Contributions: JMU 2,405,641.....GMU 1,372,266
Rights: JMU 2,939,833.....GMU 4,969,486

total non Student Fee Revenue:
JMU 8,435,885......GMU 7,118,895

why do we make so much more organic revenue than GMU? From tickets to donations. They beat us on A10 shares, but the A10 is losing its luster and will soon be a 1 bid league. That number will start to go down for GMU

Moving on:

Total School subsidy: JMU 39,119,920.....GMU 22,269,485
% of Rev from subsidy: JMU 81.14%.....GMU 75.11%

6% does not seem like a big difference and I'd bet ours would be lower than GMU if the stadium expenses were removed.

the total is obviously higher because of football. We need more.

so, in order to become a "basketball school" and make the numbers look better, we should de-emphasize football right? that'll help, right?

Make us more like our "peers"?

Puhlease people. We'll see decreased organic revenue, which will trickle down to the lacrosse, softball, men's soccer, etc....all those teams that are winning and winning big.

is that better? We should put more of our resources into mens' hoops and become more like GMU?

No thanks. i like what we are doing. we are a model athletics program that any non-P5 would love to have.
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