I think the best player that gives them the best chance to win will be the starter. That could be Childers. Bowers had a good season, but he was beat out and this is a legitimate shot to start.

Also, there is coach speak and player speak. Player speak is I welcome competition but in reality he is

(04-15-2019 09:48 PM)Shue93 Wrote:  This quote says it all. This is why our offense won’t suck this year.
“From the old system to this system we’ve got now, there’s a lot of opportunities to stretch the ball down the field," Childers said. "Some of the old things we were doing, the old coaches, we weren’t allowed to throw certain routes against certain coverages. But now we have different routes involved in those coverages. We may call a route and there’s two or three different routes they can run based on coverages. It’s really cool to be able to, for those receivers to understand coverages and things like that so we can take shots and hit the big plays and just be explosive.”
May not be Harnish/Lynch good but I think we’ll all be pleasantly surprised.

Where is this quote from?

(04-16-2019 06:59 AM)JB04 Wrote:  I think the best player that gives them the best chance to win will be the starter. That could be Childers. Bowers had a good season, but he was beat out and this is a legitimate shot to start.

Also, there is coach speak and player speak. Player speak is I welcome competition but in reality he is

I didn't think he was beat out for the job, he had an injury.

(04-15-2019 01:06 PM)HuskieFootball Addict Wrote:  

(04-15-2019 10:41 AM)klake87 Wrote:  I like Childers, he is a fighter and competitor. This might be a blessing in disguise. Bowers will make Childers better and Childers will make Bowers better.

Childers might have "looked ok" in practices in the past but on the field in a game is where his true colors come out. The guy has no good QB instincts. Put any pressure on him & his decision making goes in the toilet. He can't see open receivers. He holds onto the ball like it's stuck in his hand with glue. Or he keeps it , runs up the middle for no gain.

I'm ready for a new beginning - a new QB. Looking forward to this fall!

In fairness to him (Childers) and to all our QB's, I suspect (highly) that what you refer to and what we saw is the product of his then coach being in his head to do those things, i.e., hold the ball, don't force it, don't throw and interception, check down, just run. I strongly suspect that. You could almost see it in him. And the history is any QB that did not do that in the previous coaching regime, was not allowed to play QB. I do not know this, but I suspect it. And the second half of the MACC game to me supports this theory.

(04-15-2019 09:48 PM)Shue93 Wrote:  This quote says it all. This is why our offense won’t suck this year.
“From the old system to this system we’ve got now, there’s a lot of opportunities to stretch the ball down the field," Childers said. "Some of the old things we were doing, the old coaches, we weren’t allowed to throw certain routes against certain coverages. But now we have different routes involved in those coverages. We may call a route and there’s two or three different routes they can run based on coverages. It’s really cool to be able to, for those receivers to understand coverages and things like that so we can take shots and hit the big plays and just be explosive.”
May not be Harnish/Lynch good but I think we’ll all be pleasantly surprised.

Where did this quote come from? I like it!

I REALLY like it! It also confirms what I had been thinking about the previous staff holding back our QB's.

(04-15-2019 09:48 PM)Shue93 Wrote:  This quote says it all. This is why our offense won’t suck this year.
“From the old system to this system we’ve got now, there’s a lot of opportunities to stretch the ball down the field," Childers said. "Some of the old things we were doing, the old coaches, we weren’t allowed to throw certain routes against certain coverages. But now we have different routes involved in those coverages. We may call a route and there’s two or three different routes they can run based on coverages. It’s really cool to be able to, for those receivers to understand coverages and things like that so we can take shots and hit the big plays and just be explosive.”
May not be Harnish/Lynch good but I think we’ll all be pleasantly surprised.

It allows the potential to do more things, but in no way does that guarantee more success. There's plenty of downside with giving college kids that much freedom.

(04-16-2019 10:07 AM)chihuskie Wrote:  

(04-15-2019 09:48 PM)Shue93 Wrote:  This quote says it all. This is why our offense won’t suck this year.
“From the old system to this system we’ve got now, there’s a lot of opportunities to stretch the ball down the field," Childers said. "Some of the old things we were doing, the old coaches, we weren’t allowed to throw certain routes against certain coverages. But now we have different routes involved in those coverages. We may call a route and there’s two or three different routes they can run based on coverages. It’s really cool to be able to, for those receivers to understand coverages and things like that so we can take shots and hit the big plays and just be explosive.”
May not be Harnish/Lynch good but I think we’ll all be pleasantly surprised.

Where did this quote come from? I like it!

I REALLY like it! It also confirms what I had been thinking about the previous staff holding back our QB's.

Simplifying doesn't necessarily mean "holding back." I think Lynch would have been a disaster in a complex offense.

Childers couldn’t connect in the one or two deep patterns they ran. Why would more deep routes help? They’d just be different deep misses.

(04-16-2019 06:37 AM)klake87 Wrote:  

(04-15-2019 04:20 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(04-15-2019 04:18 PM)NorthCoast Wrote:  Open competition for all positions is a very good thing and will only help the team be stronger.

2019 NIU Football is going to be a fun ride.

I think it is a token competition for QB. Bowers is not transferring to NIU to sit on the bench. Not to slam DeKalb, but it is not the destination of destinations to sit back with the clipboard and enjoy the sights and sounds of the city.

If Bowers is coming here because he was guaranteed the starting job, then he is a mental midget. He was sold that we are switching to a more pro style offense and he has that skill set. Childers may or may not be able to change to fit this new style but he is not a quiter.

I forgot who posted this but they were spot on, it will be labeled a competition, but in reality something very dramatic would have to happen for it to be Childers. With the abuse and attacks Childers takes here, I kind of thought everyone would assume that

(04-16-2019 11:01 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Childers couldn’t connect in the one or two deep patterns they ran. Why would more deep routes help? They’d just be different deep misses.

No way to accurately evaluate Childers in that offense though. The offense was almost literally designed to fail

(04-16-2019 11:29 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 11:01 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Childers couldn’t connect in the one or two deep patterns they ran. Why would more deep routes help? They’d just be different deep misses.

No way to accurately evaluate Childers in that offense though. The offense was almost literally designed to fail

The offense sucked. But accuracy is accuracy. He made the same mistakes in the scrimmage, missing open receivers downfield. He just has zero touch on that pass. I’d like him to throw more posts and slants. I think he’s better at those.

(04-16-2019 11:33 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 11:29 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 11:01 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Childers couldn’t connect in the one or two deep patterns they ran. Why would more deep routes help? They’d just be different deep misses.

No way to accurately evaluate Childers in that offense though. The offense was almost literally designed to fail

The offense sucked. But accuracy is accuracy. He made the same mistakes in the scrimmage, missing open receivers downfield. He just has zero touch on that pass. I’d like him to throw more posts and slants. I think he’s better at those.

I think there was a reason he was not accurate , he knew he would lose his job with interceptions. It was just an awful situation the last few years with Carey, playmakers were not allowed to make plays and the fear of the mistake was paralyzing. Punting was seen as a successful drive, literally

(04-16-2019 11:33 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 11:29 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 11:01 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Childers couldn’t connect in the one or two deep patterns they ran. Why would more deep routes help? They’d just be different deep misses.

No way to accurately evaluate Childers in that offense though. The offense was almost literally designed to fail

The offense sucked. But accuracy is accuracy. He made the same mistakes in the scrimmage, missing open receivers downfield. He just has zero touch on that pass. I’d like him to throw more posts and slants. I think he’s better at those.

The offense was uber productive every year up until the point Childers became the QB.

(04-16-2019 01:56 PM)7 Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 11:33 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 11:29 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 11:01 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Childers couldn’t connect in the one or two deep patterns they ran. Why would more deep routes help? They’d just be different deep misses.

No way to accurately evaluate Childers in that offense though. The offense was almost literally designed to fail

The offense sucked. But accuracy is accuracy. He made the same mistakes in the scrimmage, missing open receivers downfield. He just has zero touch on that pass. I’d like him to throw more posts and slants. I think he’s better at those.

The offense was uber productive every year up until the point Childers became the QB.

Woof....Graham was...dare I say it....worse

(04-16-2019 01:56 PM)7 Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 11:33 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 11:29 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 11:01 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Childers couldn’t connect in the one or two deep patterns they ran. Why would more deep routes help? They’d just be different deep misses.

No way to accurately evaluate Childers in that offense though. The offense was almost literally designed to fail

The offense sucked. But accuracy is accuracy. He made the same mistakes in the scrimmage, missing open receivers downfield. He just has zero touch on that pass. I’d like him to throw more posts and slants. I think he’s better at those.

The offense was uber productive every year up until the point Childers became the QB.

The offense was productive against very bad teams in the MAC when the conference was much weaker, but not so much against good teams when it was needed most. It also did not hurt to have a guy like Golladay you could throw a jump ball too. NIU needs an offensive system that can be sustained and be productive against good teams, that is not so sensitive to having the once in a lifetime type players of a Jordan Lynch or Kenny Golladay. I think Hammock is taking NIU there

(04-16-2019 02:54 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 01:56 PM)7 Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 11:33 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 11:29 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 11:01 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Childers couldn’t connect in the one or two deep patterns they ran. Why would more deep routes help? They’d just be different deep misses.

No way to accurately evaluate Childers in that offense though. The offense was almost literally designed to fail

The offense sucked. But accuracy is accuracy. He made the same mistakes in the scrimmage, missing open receivers downfield. He just has zero touch on that pass. I’d like him to throw more posts and slants. I think he’s better at those.

The offense was uber productive every year up until the point Childers became the QB.

The offense was productive against very bad teams in the MAC when the conference was much weaker, but not so much against good teams when it was needed most. It also did not hurt to have a guy like Golladay you could throw a jump ball too. NIU needs an offensive system that can be sustained and be productive against good teams, that is not so sensitive to having the once in a lifetime type players of a Jordan Lynch or Kenny Golladay. I think Hammock is taking NIU there

If you look at the Sagarin ratings for the past 10 years you'll see that both NIU and the MAC had higher ratings back in the 2010 to 2014 years. The offense got worse despite a weaker MAC.

(04-16-2019 02:44 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 01:56 PM)7 Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 11:33 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 11:29 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 11:01 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Childers couldn’t connect in the one or two deep patterns they ran. Why would more deep routes help? They’d just be different deep misses.

No way to accurately evaluate Childers in that offense though. The offense was almost literally designed to fail

The offense sucked. But accuracy is accuracy. He made the same mistakes in the scrimmage, missing open receivers downfield. He just has zero touch on that pass. I’d like him to throw more posts and slants. I think he’s better at those.

The offense was uber productive every year up until the point Childers became the QB.

Woof....Graham was...dare I say it....worse

Well, that's true lol

(04-16-2019 03:27 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 02:54 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 01:56 PM)7 Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 11:33 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 11:29 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  No way to accurately evaluate Childers in that offense though. The offense was almost literally designed to fail

The offense sucked. But accuracy is accuracy. He made the same mistakes in the scrimmage, missing open receivers downfield. He just has zero touch on that pass. I’d like him to throw more posts and slants. I think he’s better at those.

The offense was uber productive every year up until the point Childers became the QB.

The offense was productive against very bad teams in the MAC when the conference was much weaker, but not so much against good teams when it was needed most. It also did not hurt to have a guy like Golladay you could throw a jump ball too. NIU needs an offensive system that can be sustained and be productive against good teams, that is not so sensitive to having the once in a lifetime type players of a Jordan Lynch or Kenny Golladay. I think Hammock is taking NIU there

If you look at the Sagarin ratings for the past 10 years you'll see that both NIU and the MAC had higher ratings back in the 2010 to 2014 years. The offense got worse despite a weaker MAC.

Definitely

(04-16-2019 10:07 AM)chihuskie Wrote:  

(04-15-2019 09:48 PM)Shue93 Wrote:  This quote says it all. This is why our offense won’t suck this year.
“From the old system to this system we’ve got now, there’s a lot of opportunities to stretch the ball down the field," Childers said. "Some of the old things we were doing, the old coaches, we weren’t allowed to throw certain routes against certain coverages. But now we have different routes involved in those coverages. We may call a route and there’s two or three different routes they can run based on coverages. It’s really cool to be able to, for those receivers to understand coverages and things like that so we can take shots and hit the big plays and just be explosive.”
May not be Harnish/Lynch good but I think we’ll all be pleasantly surprised.

Where did this quote come from? I like it!

I REALLY like it! It also confirms what I had been thinking about the previous staff holding back our QB's.

Quote is from the Daily Chronicle
https://www.daily-chronicle.com/2019/04/...e/dtxqlyp/

(04-16-2019 02:44 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 01:56 PM)7 Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 11:33 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 11:29 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 11:01 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Childers couldn’t connect in the one or two deep patterns they ran. Why would more deep routes help? They’d just be different deep misses.

No way to accurately evaluate Childers in that offense though. The offense was almost literally designed to fail

The offense sucked. But accuracy is accuracy. He made the same mistakes in the scrimmage, missing open receivers downfield. He just has zero touch on that pass. I’d like him to throw more posts and slants. I think he’s better at those.

The offense was uber productive every year up until the point Childers became the QB.

Woof....Graham was...dare I say it....worse

Childers and Graham are almost the same guy. Graham just seemed so awful relative to the qbs who came before him. But given the same amount of attempts, Childers and Graham produce identical numbers.

MC: 3,849 yds, 5.8 y/a, 31 td, 15 int, 118 rating. 1,004 rush yds, 3.0 y/a
RG: 3,871 yds, 5.8 y/a, 40 td, 24 int, 114 rating. 1,094 rush yds, 3.2 y/a