First thought that came to my head is that the American Athletic Conference just gained a new ally.

Quote:In a Q&A with fans recorded by The Athletic this weekend, Alvarez called (again) for the field to be expanded from four to eight teams and, perhaps most notably, said that the selection committee recently has not been following the guidelines to pick the teams for the playoff like they should.

“I was on the initial committee and I thought four teams in the playoff was good. It was great. It was much better than the two-team playoff decided by computers. Because I wanted to know who’s programming those computers and what are they putting in? I was never satisfied with that. I thought four really helped college football. I thought that would be it,” said Alvarez. “But when our league is left out of the playoff for three years in a row, I’m not happy with that. I don’t think that we have followed the criteria set by the commissioners in naming those four teams. There’s a way you can go to eight teams very easily, starting a week early with a bye with the top four seeds. You can go to eight teams easily. There are eight teams that really could have a chance to win. So I think that it will expand. I just don’t know when.”

Alvarez said further that there is an opening for the CFP to make changes “about a year from now” and that Big Ten commish Jim Delany is in favor of expansion beyond four teams.

https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-criteria/

(04-14-2019 07:46 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  First thought that came to my head is that the American Athletic Conference just gained a new ally.

Quote:In a Q&A with fans recorded by The Athletic this weekend, Alvarez called (again) for the field to be expanded from four to eight teams and, perhaps most notably, said that the selection committee recently has not been following the guidelines to pick the teams for the playoff like they should.

“I was on the initial committee and I thought four teams in the playoff was good. It was great. It was much better than the two-team playoff decided by computers. Because I wanted to know who’s programming those computers and what are they putting in? I was never satisfied with that. I thought four really helped college football. I thought that would be it,” said Alvarez. “But when our league is left out of the playoff for three years in a row, I’m not happy with that. I don’t think that we have followed the criteria set by the commissioners in naming those four teams. There’s a way you can go to eight teams very easily, starting a week early with a bye with the top four seeds. You can go to eight teams easily. There are eight teams that really could have a chance to win. So I think that it will expand. I just don’t know when.”

Alvarez said further that there is an opening for the CFP to make changes “about a year from now” and that Big Ten commish Jim Delany is in favor of expansion beyond four teams.

https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-criteria/

I still think nothing will be changed until the current TV contracts expire and the new ones are negotiated.

If the P5 eventually becomes the P4 there won't be expansion.

Why change the format until you see if the landscape changes?

I believe if they stick with 4 teams, a couple things need to be tweaked.

First the idea that conference championships matter needs to be reinforced. This may mean tweaking the selection formula to take the 4 most "deserving" teams over the 4 "best" teams. In college football the regular season matters. Every team gets their shot to win their conference, and if you blow that chance, you have blown it. No 2nd chances.
There should be a strong emphasis on taking conference champions. Bama in 2017 as well as OSU in 2016 should have never made the playoffs over a conference champion.

2nd the rules for conference champion games need to revised so that the conference can decide which 2 teams play in the CCG. This could mean conferences could choose to get rid of divisions and just have its 2 best teams make the CCG, with the conference deciding who the 2 best teams are. The new rules should encourage conferences like the ACC to make Notre Dame elligible to play in ACC CCG .

I honestly like a 4 team playoff. I truly believe if conferences played 10 games and did away with divisions it would fix all of this. At least 9 conference games and no divisions would get us close.

(04-16-2019 08:47 AM)cubucks Wrote:  I honestly like a 4 team playoff. I truly believe if conferences played 10 games and did away with divisions it would fix all of this. At least 9 conference games and no divisions would get us close.

You can't have a 4 team playoff with 5 power leagues, each champ needs to be in it. Rearrange it to 4 power leagues and a 4 team is great you just expand conference championships to involve at least 4 teams. Its even better if you do away with useless bowl games and have 6-8 teams in each league compete for the conference championship.

Before I hear the thats too many team baloney the NFL has 6 teams in each 16 team league advance to their playoff. So its definitely not too many.

The best way to get this done is for the B1G & Big 12 to split the PAC teams and we have the 4 power leagues we need.

(04-16-2019 01:58 AM)goofus Wrote:  I believe if they stick with 4 teams, a couple things need to be tweaked.

First the idea that conference championships matter needs to be reinforced. This may mean tweaking the selection formula to take the 4 most "deserving" teams over the 4 "best" teams. In college football the regular season matters. Every team gets their shot to win their conference, and if you blow that chance, you have blown it. No 2nd chances.
There should be a strong emphasis on taking conference champions. Bama in 2017 as well as OSU in 2016 should have never made the playoffs over a conference champion.

2nd the rules for conference champion games need to revised so that the conference can decide which 2 teams play in the CCG. This could mean conferences could choose to get rid of divisions and just have its 2 best teams make the CCG, with the conference deciding who the 2 best teams are. The new rules should encourage conferences like the ACC to make Notre Dame elligible to play in ACC CCG .

I totally agreed with you until you typed that last sentence... the ACC will NOT allow Notre Dame to play for the conference championship unless/until they play a full conference schedule. No way would the team that finished second with an 8-game schedule want to give up their spot to a team which only played 5 games! NOT happening.

(04-16-2019 09:26 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 08:47 AM)cubucks Wrote:  I honestly like a 4 team playoff. I truly believe if conferences played 10 games and did away with divisions it would fix all of this. At least 9 conference games and no divisions would get us close.

You can't have a 4 team playoff with 5 power leagues, each champ needs to be in it. Rearrange it to 4 power leagues and a 4 team is great you just expand conference championships to involve at least 4 teams. Its even better if you do away with useless bowl games and have 6-8 teams in each league compete for the conference championship.

Before I hear the thats too many team baloney the NFL has 6 teams in each 16 team league advance to their playoff. So its definitely not too many.

The best way to get this done is for the B1G & Big 12 to split the PAC teams and we have the 4 power leagues we need.

When you get rid of divisions and play 10 conference games, trust me, there will only be 4 legitimate teams left to contend for the title.

(04-17-2019 07:33 AM)cubucks Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 09:26 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 08:47 AM)cubucks Wrote:  I honestly like a 4 team playoff. I truly believe if conferences played 10 games and did away with divisions it would fix all of this. At least 9 conference games and no divisions would get us close.

You can't have a 4 team playoff with 5 power leagues, each champ needs to be in it. Rearrange it to 4 power leagues and a 4 team is great you just expand conference championships to involve at least 4 teams. Its even better if you do away with useless bowl games and have 6-8 teams in each league compete for the conference championship.

Before I hear the thats too many team baloney the NFL has 6 teams in each 16 team league advance to their playoff. So its definitely not too many.

The best way to get this done is for the B1G & Big 12 to split the PAC teams and we have the 4 power leagues we need.

When you get rid of divisions and play 10 conference games, trust me, there will only be 4 legitimate teams left to contend for the title.

So there are only 4 qualified NCAA teams for the playoffs out of 64 but the NFL can find 12 out of 32? And don't tell me its because their student athletes and too many games because EVERY other division of college football uses playoffs. Those other levels of football don't care about the student athlete when there is no large profit motive and for some reason FBS does? Its about leaving a lot of wriggle room in the process of selection up to networks and to a lesser extent an existing hierarchy in college football to select who gets to and doesn't play in their playoff.

(04-14-2019 07:46 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  First thought that came to my head is that the American Athletic Conference just gained a new ally.

Quote:In a Q&A with fans recorded by The Athletic this weekend, Alvarez called (again) for the field to be expanded from four to eight teams and, perhaps most notably, said that the selection committee recently has not been following the guidelines to pick the teams for the playoff like they should.

“I was on the initial committee and I thought four teams in the playoff was good. It was great. It was much better than the two-team playoff decided by computers. Because I wanted to know who’s programming those computers and what are they putting in? I was never satisfied with that. I thought four really helped college football. I thought that would be it,” said Alvarez. “But when our league is left out of the playoff for three years in a row, I’m not happy with that. I don’t think that we have followed the criteria set by the commissioners in naming those four teams. There’s a way you can go to eight teams very easily, starting a week early with a bye with the top four seeds. You can go to eight teams easily. There are eight teams that really could have a chance to win. So I think that it will expand. I just don’t know when.”

Alvarez said further that there is an opening for the CFP to make changes “about a year from now” and that Big Ten commish Jim Delany is in favor of expansion beyond four teams.

https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-criteria/

Greg Sankey, commissioner of the Southeastern Conference, says he's quite happy with 4!

(04-26-2019 01:35 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  

(04-17-2019 07:33 AM)cubucks Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 09:26 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 08:47 AM)cubucks Wrote:  I honestly like a 4 team playoff. I truly believe if conferences played 10 games and did away with divisions it would fix all of this. At least 9 conference games and no divisions would get us close.

You can't have a 4 team playoff with 5 power leagues, each champ needs to be in it. Rearrange it to 4 power leagues and a 4 team is great you just expand conference championships to involve at least 4 teams. Its even better if you do away with useless bowl games and have 6-8 teams in each league compete for the conference championship.

Before I hear the thats too many team baloney the NFL has 6 teams in each 16 team league advance to their playoff. So its definitely not too many.

The best way to get this done is for the B1G & Big 12 to split the PAC teams and we have the 4 power leagues we need.

When you get rid of divisions and play 10 conference games, trust me, there will only be 4 legitimate teams left to contend for the title.

So there are only 4 qualified NCAA teams for the playoffs out of 64 but the NFL can find 12 out of 32? And don't tell me its because their student athletes and too many games because EVERY other division of college football uses playoffs. Those other levels of football don't care about the student athlete when there is no large profit motive and for some reason FBS does? Its about leaving a lot of wriggle room in the process of selection up to networks and to a lesser extent an existing hierarchy in college football to select who gets to and doesn't play in their playoff.

NFL and NCAA = Apples and Oranges

There is no way you can compare the two. It's exactly why, YES, there will only be 4 legitimate teams with what I was saying previously.

The NFL has a thing called a salary cap, ever heard of that? It's currently at ~$180 million. This keeps an individual team from being able to load up with all the top talent. The NCAA does not have a cap on anything. So teams are allowed to load up with as many 4 and 5 star recruits as they wish. A handful of teams load up on these a lot more than others, no NCAA penalty at all for doing so.

The current CFP is 4 teams. Sometimes we have a 5th or even 6th team viable for that 4th spot. After that there really isn't a team worth considering is there?
This leads me to my argument for no divisions and 10 conference games. This model will most often eliminate all those 5th and 6th options every single year. Top 2 teams of every conference play with no divisions to interfere with the 2 true best teams. This is where the playoff would actually start. All the conference Championship games would be elimination rounds for the playoff.

You sound frustrated in your argument, I'm not trying to argue with you. But, comparing what the NFL does compared to the NCAA is just impossible.

And everybody is so ready to expand the playoff...why? I say expand conference games to 10 and play your peers more often.

(04-26-2019 02:32 PM)cubucks Wrote:  

(04-26-2019 01:35 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  

(04-17-2019 07:33 AM)cubucks Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 09:26 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 08:47 AM)cubucks Wrote:  I honestly like a 4 team playoff. I truly believe if conferences played 10 games and did away with divisions it would fix all of this. At least 9 conference games and no divisions would get us close.

You can't have a 4 team playoff with 5 power leagues, each champ needs to be in it. Rearrange it to 4 power leagues and a 4 team is great you just expand conference championships to involve at least 4 teams. Its even better if you do away with useless bowl games and have 6-8 teams in each league compete for the conference championship.

Before I hear the thats too many team baloney the NFL has 6 teams in each 16 team league advance to their playoff. So its definitely not too many.

The best way to get this done is for the B1G & Big 12 to split the PAC teams and we have the 4 power leagues we need.

When you get rid of divisions and play 10 conference games, trust me, there will only be 4 legitimate teams left to contend for the title.

So there are only 4 qualified NCAA teams for the playoffs out of 64 but the NFL can find 12 out of 32? And don't tell me its because their student athletes and too many games because EVERY other division of college football uses playoffs. Those other levels of football don't care about the student athlete when there is no large profit motive and for some reason FBS does? Its about leaving a lot of wriggle room in the process of selection up to networks and to a lesser extent an existing hierarchy in college football to select who gets to and doesn't play in their playoff.

NFL and NCAA = Apples and Oranges

There is no way you can compare the two. It's exactly why, YES, there will only be 4 legitimate teams with what I was saying previously.

The NFL has a thing called a salary cap, ever heard of that? It's currently at ~$180 million. This keeps an individual team from being able to load up with all the top talent. The NCAA does not have a cap on anything. So teams are allowed to load up with as many 4 and 5 star recruits as they wish. A handful of teams load up on these a lot more than others, no NCAA penalty at all for doing so.

The current CFP is 4 teams. Sometimes we have a 5th or even 6th team viable for that 4th spot. After that there really isn't a team worth considering is there?
This leads me to my argument for no divisions and 10 conference games. This model will most often eliminate all those 5th and 6th options every single year. Top 2 teams of every conference play with no divisions to interfere with the 2 true best teams. This is where the playoff would actually start. All the conference Championship games would be elimination rounds for the playoff.

You sound frustrated in your argument, I'm not trying to argue with you. But, comparing what the NFL does compared to the NCAA is just impossible.

And everybody is so ready to expand the playoff...why? I say expand conference games to 10 and play your peers more often.

NCAA football is not different from every other sport. Every other sport including college football at every other level has a true playoff. Its just plain silly to have one of the P5 conference champions not in a playoff. Its one thing picking and choosing when you have 16 playoff teams its a whole different story when you are picking team 5 out of 65.

It is frustrating as a fan that really likes the sport and will watch the regular season only to see what a colossal cluster the FBS end of the season is between the playoff of only 4 teams, post-season exhibition games known as bowl games and waiting to have those games for the most part 4-5 weeks after the regular season so the play of the games suck!

Its what I call the WWE effect of college football, networks and conferences dictating meaningless games based on the ratings they think they can pull from various teams.

Before you give me the argument it values the regular season more, NO it makes me watch college football less because of the pointless ending of the sport. It can be a great sport but to have it end the way it does is garbage.

(04-29-2019 12:50 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  

(04-26-2019 02:32 PM)cubucks Wrote:  

(04-26-2019 01:35 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  

(04-17-2019 07:33 AM)cubucks Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 09:26 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  You can't have a 4 team playoff with 5 power leagues, each champ needs to be in it. Rearrange it to 4 power leagues and a 4 team is great you just expand conference championships to involve at least 4 teams. Its even better if you do away with useless bowl games and have 6-8 teams in each league compete for the conference championship.

Before I hear the thats too many team baloney the NFL has 6 teams in each 16 team league advance to their playoff. So its definitely not too many.

The best way to get this done is for the B1G & Big 12 to split the PAC teams and we have the 4 power leagues we need.

When you get rid of divisions and play 10 conference games, trust me, there will only be 4 legitimate teams left to contend for the title.

So there are only 4 qualified NCAA teams for the playoffs out of 64 but the NFL can find 12 out of 32? And don't tell me its because their student athletes and too many games because EVERY other division of college football uses playoffs. Those other levels of football don't care about the student athlete when there is no large profit motive and for some reason FBS does? Its about leaving a lot of wriggle room in the process of selection up to networks and to a lesser extent an existing hierarchy in college football to select who gets to and doesn't play in their playoff.

NFL and NCAA = Apples and Oranges

There is no way you can compare the two. It's exactly why, YES, there will only be 4 legitimate teams with what I was saying previously.

The NFL has a thing called a salary cap, ever heard of that? It's currently at ~$180 million. This keeps an individual team from being able to load up with all the top talent. The NCAA does not have a cap on anything. So teams are allowed to load up with as many 4 and 5 star recruits as they wish. A handful of teams load up on these a lot more than others, no NCAA penalty at all for doing so.

The current CFP is 4 teams. Sometimes we have a 5th or even 6th team viable for that 4th spot. After that there really isn't a team worth considering is there?
This leads me to my argument for no divisions and 10 conference games. This model will most often eliminate all those 5th and 6th options every single year. Top 2 teams of every conference play with no divisions to interfere with the 2 true best teams. This is where the playoff would actually start. All the conference Championship games would be elimination rounds for the playoff.

You sound frustrated in your argument, I'm not trying to argue with you. But, comparing what the NFL does compared to the NCAA is just impossible.

And everybody is so ready to expand the playoff...why? I say expand conference games to 10 and play your peers more often.

NCAA football is not different from every other sport. Every other sport including college football at every other level has a true playoff. Its just plain silly to have one of the P5 conference champions not in a playoff. Its one thing picking and choosing when you have 16 playoff teams its a whole different story when you are picking team 5 out of 65.

It is frustrating as a fan that really likes the sport and will watch the regular season only to see what a colossal cluster the FBS end of the season is between the playoff of only 4 teams, post-season exhibition games known as bowl games and waiting to have those games for the most part 4-5 weeks after the regular season so the play of the games suck!

Its what I call the WWE effect of college football, networks and conferences dictating meaningless games based on the ratings they think they can pull from various teams.

Before you give me the argument it values the regular season more, NO it makes me watch college football less because of the pointless ending of the sport. It can be a great sport but to have it end the way it does is garbage.

Great points and I see where you are coming from, I truly do.

Division 1 NCAA football is different though. All the bowl games are what makes it different and very complicated. I'm just going off of what is fact and true. It's very unique with large conferences and commitments to these bowls, it complicates things with what you are referring to, 16 team playoff.

Again, I'm not saying what you want is a bad thing. Things the way they currently are just blocks a lot of better options. Maybe someday we will get to a different situation where there will be a large expanded playoff.

(04-29-2019 01:40 PM)cubucks Wrote:  

(04-29-2019 12:50 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  

(04-26-2019 02:32 PM)cubucks Wrote:  

(04-26-2019 01:35 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  

(04-17-2019 07:33 AM)cubucks Wrote:  When you get rid of divisions and play 10 conference games, trust me, there will only be 4 legitimate teams left to contend for the title.

So there are only 4 qualified NCAA teams for the playoffs out of 64 but the NFL can find 12 out of 32? And don't tell me its because their student athletes and too many games because EVERY other division of college football uses playoffs. Those other levels of football don't care about the student athlete when there is no large profit motive and for some reason FBS does? Its about leaving a lot of wriggle room in the process of selection up to networks and to a lesser extent an existing hierarchy in college football to select who gets to and doesn't play in their playoff.

NFL and NCAA = Apples and Oranges

There is no way you can compare the two. It's exactly why, YES, there will only be 4 legitimate teams with what I was saying previously.

The NFL has a thing called a salary cap, ever heard of that? It's currently at ~$180 million. This keeps an individual team from being able to load up with all the top talent. The NCAA does not have a cap on anything. So teams are allowed to load up with as many 4 and 5 star recruits as they wish. A handful of teams load up on these a lot more than others, no NCAA penalty at all for doing so.

The current CFP is 4 teams. Sometimes we have a 5th or even 6th team viable for that 4th spot. After that there really isn't a team worth considering is there?
This leads me to my argument for no divisions and 10 conference games. This model will most often eliminate all those 5th and 6th options every single year. Top 2 teams of every conference play with no divisions to interfere with the 2 true best teams. This is where the playoff would actually start. All the conference Championship games would be elimination rounds for the playoff.

You sound frustrated in your argument, I'm not trying to argue with you. But, comparing what the NFL does compared to the NCAA is just impossible.

And everybody is so ready to expand the playoff...why? I say expand conference games to 10 and play your peers more often.

NCAA football is not different from every other sport. Every other sport including college football at every other level has a true playoff. Its just plain silly to have one of the P5 conference champions not in a playoff. Its one thing picking and choosing when you have 16 playoff teams its a whole different story when you are picking team 5 out of 65.

It is frustrating as a fan that really likes the sport and will watch the regular season only to see what a colossal cluster the FBS end of the season is between the playoff of only 4 teams, post-season exhibition games known as bowl games and waiting to have those games for the most part 4-5 weeks after the regular season so the play of the games suck!

Its what I call the WWE effect of college football, networks and conferences dictating meaningless games based on the ratings they think they can pull from various teams.

Before you give me the argument it values the regular season more, NO it makes me watch college football less because of the pointless ending of the sport. It can be a great sport but to have it end the way it does is garbage.

Great points and I see where you are coming from, I truly do.

Division 1 NCAA football is different though. All the bowl games are what makes it different and very complicated. I'm just going off of what is fact and true. It's very unique with large conferences and commitments to these bowls, it complicates things with what you are referring to, 16 team playoff.

Again, I'm not saying what you want is a bad thing. Things the way they currently are just blocks a lot of better options. Maybe someday we will get to a different situation where there will be a large expanded playoff.

I like your idea of leagues with a single set of standings and that is better for CFB then the 2 best teams in each league can play in the CCG.

I don't even mind the expanded playoffs essentially ran through conferences. We just need to expand CCG's to be precluded by conference semi-finals. If we are going to stay on a number other than 4 power leagues let each league determine their champ and have a playoff of 6 teams, each power league and let the G5 schools replace their CCG's with a 4 team group from all G5's for the 6th spot. ND has to join a league or if the ACC chooses to give them access to their playoffs. Then everyone plays their way in and no picking a school that doesn't win their conference or looses in their conference playoffs.

I would prefer we get to 4 balanced leagues both from a financial and competitive perspective, but I don't know if we ever get to that point or at least in the near future.