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RE: Comey claims surveillance is not spying
(04-12-2019 08:46 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  The target of the FISA was Carter Paige. It was renewed what, 3 times? Someone remind me what Mr Paige was charged with.....

He wasn't charged with anything because he cooperated and told the truth. Unlike individual#1 and other gang members.
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(04-13-2019 08:25 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  
(04-12-2019 08:46 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  The target of the FISA was Carter Paige. It was renewed what, 3 times? Someone remind me what Mr Paige was charged with.....

He wasn't charged with anything because he cooperated and told the truth. Unlike individual#1 and other gang members.

So exactly what did “the other gang members” get charged with related to the investigation involving the surveillance of Carter Paige?

Paige testified multiple times and never even hired council. Doesn’t sound like a guy that was under surveillance by the most powerful intell community in the world for two years does it?
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(04-13-2019 09:11 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(04-13-2019 08:25 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  
(04-12-2019 08:46 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  The target of the FISA was Carter Paige. It was renewed what, 3 times? Someone remind me what Mr Paige was charged with.....

He wasn't charged with anything because he cooperated and told the truth. Unlike individual#1 and other gang members.

So exactly what did “the other gang members” get charged with related to the investigation involving the surveillance of Carter Paige?

Paige testified multiple times and never even hired council. Doesn’t sound like a guy that was under surveillance by the most powerful intell community in the world for two years does it?

Page was cooperating before they ever started spying on him. There was only one reason to spy on Page.
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(04-13-2019 09:51 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(04-13-2019 09:11 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(04-13-2019 08:25 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  
(04-12-2019 08:46 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  The target of the FISA was Carter Paige. It was renewed what, 3 times? Someone remind me what Mr Paige was charged with.....

He wasn't charged with anything because he cooperated and told the truth. Unlike individual#1 and other gang members.

So exactly what did “the other gang members” get charged with related to the investigation involving the surveillance of Carter Paige?

Paige testified multiple times and never even hired council. Doesn’t sound like a guy that was under surveillance by the most powerful intell community in the world for two years does it?

Page was cooperating before they ever started spying on him. There was only one reason to spy on Page.

Exactly. He provided their back door into the Trump campaign.
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(04-12-2019 07:26 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(04-12-2019 06:44 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  The difference between spying and surveillance is the legality of the actions.

Spying is illegal... even against foreign nations. It's not against OUR laws to spy on Russia, but clearly it's against theirs.

All comey is saying is that he believed (or believes) that the court ordered spying was legal... and of course he does... because he wouldn't admit to knowingly being complicit in an illegal action.
The court ordered surveillance was legal... maybe. Taking that data and funneling it to the Clinton campaign would be illegal and spying. That is the difference.

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It's not legal if it was obtained by fraud. That's your maybe.

The taking of the data and funneling it is illegal, but it's not spying.
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One of the more recent revelations to come out about Comey and the Obama admins failure was that to not notify Trump of their suspicions. Sounds like Barr and the IG has been hitting that team up on why a defensive briefing never occured. Their response has been that of a child's excuse for not doing their homework. "We went to tell him, but one of the targets was in the room, so we couldnt do it at that time. Then we forgot to go back and tell him." Yea right.
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(04-13-2019 11:01 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  One of the more recent revelations to come out about Comey and the Obama admins failure was that to not notify Trump of their suspicions. Sounds like Barr and the IG has been hitting that team up on why a defensive briefing never occured. Their response has been that of a child's excuse for not doing their homework. "We went to tell him, but one of the targets was in the room, so we couldnt do it at that time. Then we forgot to go back and tell him." Yea right.

Yet another HUGE indication that this was never about blunting potential Russian interference. It was ALWAYS about bastardizing the law in order to politically weaponize the formidable intelligence capabilities of the United States government. It was always about political spying and espionage.
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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/..._hoax.html

"... He is not saying anything extreme, just stating the facts as they are known, and contrary to what we just heard, there is no dispute about whether there was spying or not. That is a common way to describe what happened. They use multiple human informants. There were wiretaps and other electronic surveillance, there were national security letters. If it were about anything other than the Trump campaign, we would all acknowledge that is spying...."

"...The media can't use that word because they were complicit in this operation in two ways. One, the perpetuated the Russia collusion hoax. They accepted these leaks. They were not critical about them at all. They claimed they had all these bombshells. On one side, they gave into the hoax. On the other hand, they never covered what was troubling about the actions by these federal agents, not just the FBI, but other agencies, to go against domestic political opponents. ..."
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(04-13-2019 11:59 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-13-2019 11:01 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  One of the more recent revelations to come out about Comey and the Obama admins failure was that to not notify Trump of their suspicions. Sounds like Barr and the IG has been hitting that team up on why a defensive briefing never occured. Their response has been that of a child's excuse for not doing their homework. "We went to tell him, but one of the targets was in the room, so we couldnt do it at that time. Then we forgot to go back and tell him." Yea right.

Yet another HUGE indication that this was never about blunting potential Russian interference. It was ALWAYS about bastardizing the law in order to politically weaponize the formidable intelligence capabilities of the United States government. It was always about political spying and espionage.


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It never ends well for those who orchestrate an unsuccessful coup.
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https://amgreatness.com/2019/04/13/pursu...dictments/

Speculation on who is being investigated now. And the obvious point of all this:

"...“It’s now clear,” Nunes says, “that top intelligence officials were perfectly well aware of the dubiousness of the dossier, but they embraced it anyway because it justified actions they wanted to take—turning the full force of our intelligence agencies first against a political candidate and then against a sitting president.”

Turning the full force of our intelligence agencies first against a political candidate and then against a sitting president. Let that sink in for a moment. As Nunes notes, the whole Trump-Russia hoax was “a gift to our nation’s adversaries, most notably Russia.” Beyond that, though, the partisan weaponization of our intelligence and police services is a serious blow to the integrity of our democratic institutions...."
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(04-14-2019 11:05 AM)bullet Wrote:  https://amgreatness.com/2019/04/13/pursu...dictments/

Speculation on who is being investigated now. And the obvious point of all this:

"...“It’s now clear,” Nunes says, “that top intelligence officials were perfectly well aware of the dubiousness of the dossier, but they embraced it anyway because it justified actions they wanted to take—turning the full force of our intelligence agencies first against a political candidate and then against a sitting president.”

Turning the full force of our intelligence agencies first against a political candidate and then against a sitting president. Let that sink in for a moment. As Nunes notes, the whole Trump-Russia hoax was “a gift to our nation’s adversaries, most notably Russia.” Beyond that, though, the partisan weaponization of our intelligence and police services is a serious blow to the integrity of our democratic institutions...."

A key hallmark of any police state. Kennedy would be so ashamed of what his party has devolved into.
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