(04-12-2019 04:22 AM)emu79 Wrote: Mm wonder if we name an internal interim for one season? This rumor happening close to signing day is not .good. I feel Murphy wants an extension and is using this recruiting class as a hostage. The AD should have canned him after Ball St. Loyalty has never been a word I associated with Murphy. He better do some damage control on his status or resign now.
Loyalty goes both ways. There has never been much loyalty shown to Murphy by EMU or the EMU fandom.
That said, if he leaves, our program is in a deep hurt as the program goes into turmoil without much talent for 2019/20. Who knows what happens to the existing players and recruits.
We'll all be watching the EMU WBB team.
I'd prefer he come back for 2019/20 and then if things don't work out, then he leaves without causing any disruption.
You mean like when Murphy wanted to leave after his first year for Orlando to be a scout? Alot of us got turned off by that.
So. I believe there was a connection between Murphy and Orlando and they reached out to him, not the other way around.
Like guys, that was many moons ago. I'm glad he stayed and it took me 15 minutes to forget it.
I just don't try to dwell in negativity. If others want to dwell on it, it is their choice.
Just trying to clarify your statement on the two way street loyalty thing that's all. Some confuse negativity with reality.
(04-12-2019 04:22 AM)emu79 Wrote: Mm wonder if we name an internal interim for one season? This rumor happening close to signing day is not .good. I feel Murphy wants an extension and is using this recruiting class as a hostage. The AD should have canned him after Ball St. Loyalty has never been a word I associated with Murphy. He better do some damage control on his status or resign now.
Loyalty goes both ways. There has never been much loyalty shown to Murphy by EMU or the EMU fandom.
That said, if he leaves, our program is in a deep hurt as the program goes into turmoil without much talent for 2019/20. Who knows what happens to the existing players and recruits.
We'll all be watching the EMU WBB team.
I'd prefer he come back for 2019/20 and then if things don't work out, then he leaves without causing any disruption.
There will be turmoil whenever the change occurs. Might as well get it over with sooner than later. Like I've said before, I'd rather see rebuilding done with a new coach rather than a guy in his last year. When a new coach comes in it will breath new life into our suffocating program. Might even sell more tickets.
If Murphy does go to UCLA I wonder what it means for his family. Will they all move to LA?
I wonder what his salary would be? I don't pay attention to high major asst coaches salaries.
(04-12-2019 04:22 AM)emu79 Wrote: Mm wonder if we name an internal interim for one season? This rumor happening close to signing day is not .good. I feel Murphy wants an extension and is using this recruiting class as a hostage. The AD should have canned him after Ball St. Loyalty has never been a word I associated with Murphy. He better do some damage control on his status or resign now.
Loyalty goes both ways. There has never been much loyalty shown to Murphy by EMU or the EMU fandom.
That said, if he leaves, our program is in a deep hurt as the program goes into turmoil without much talent for 2019/20. Who knows what happens to the existing players and recruits.
We'll all be watching the EMU WBB team.
I'd prefer he come back for 2019/20 and then if things don't work out, then he leaves without causing any disruption.
You mean like when Murphy wanted to leave after his first year for Orlando to be a scout? Alot of us got turned off by that.
So. I believe there was a connection between Murphy and Orlando and they reached out to him, not the other way around.
Like guys, that was many moons ago. I'm glad he stayed and it took me 15 minutes to forget it.
I just don't try to dwell in negativity. If others want to dwell on it, it is their choice.
Just trying to clarify your statement on the two way street loyalty thing that's all. Some confuse negativity with reality.
Excuse me. Not 'forgiving and forgetting' after what about 6 or 7 years isn't about reality.
To me it is a very negative, psychological dark way of thinking.
One thing I've learned on these forms, and I have been on forms over 20 years now (going back to late 90s on AOL) is that we are here because we are EMU fans, not because we think alike.
It took me 15 minutes to forget that he almost left (I had a good source who passed into on to me so it was like every 15 minutes: "If no announcement by now.."). Coaches are approached all the time about other opportunities. The old saying is if no one wants your coach he probably isn't very good....
(This post was last modified: 04-12-2019 09:08 AM by emu steve.)
(04-12-2019 04:22 AM)emu79 Wrote: Mm wonder if we name an internal interim for one season? This rumor happening close to signing day is not .good. I feel Murphy wants an extension and is using this recruiting class as a hostage. The AD should have canned him after Ball St. Loyalty has never been a word I associated with Murphy. He better do some damage control on his status or resign now.
Loyalty goes both ways. There has never been much loyalty shown to Murphy by EMU or the EMU fandom.
That said, if he leaves, our program is in a deep hurt as the program goes into turmoil without much talent for 2019/20. Who knows what happens to the existing players and recruits.
We'll all be watching the EMU WBB team.
I'd prefer he come back for 2019/20 and then if things don't work out, then he leaves without causing any disruption.
There will be turmoil whenever the change occurs. Might as well get it over with sooner than later. Like I've said before, I'd rather see rebuilding done with a new coach rather than a guy in his last year. When a new coach comes in it will breath new life into our suffocating program. Might even sell more tickets.
If Murphy does go to UCLA I wonder what it means for his family. Will they all move to LA?
I wonder what his salary would be? I don't pay attention to high major asst coaches salaries.
UCLA asst Duane Brossards base salary was 240k a few years ago.
(04-12-2019 05:32 AM)emu steve Wrote: Loyalty goes both ways. There has never been much loyalty shown to Murphy by EMU or the EMU fandom.
That said, if he leaves, our program is in a deep hurt as the program goes into turmoil without much talent for 2019/20. Who knows what happens to the existing players and recruits.
We'll all be watching the EMU WBB team.
I'd prefer he come back for 2019/20 and then if things don't work out, then he leaves without causing any disruption.
You mean like when Murphy wanted to leave after his first year for Orlando to be a scout? Alot of us got turned off by that.
So. I believe there was a connection between Murphy and Orlando and they reached out to him, not the other way around.
Like guys, that was many moons ago. I'm glad he stayed and it took me 15 minutes to forget it.
I just don't try to dwell in negativity. If others want to dwell on it, it is their choice.
Just trying to clarify your statement on the two way street loyalty thing that's all. Some confuse negativity with reality.
Excuse me. Not 'forgiving and forgetting' after what about 6 or 7 years isn't about reality.
To me it is a very negative, psychological dark way of thinking.
One thing I've learned on these forms, and I have been on forms over 20 years now (going back to late 90s on AOL) is that we are here because we are EMU fans, not because we think alike.
Steve if I want psychological analysis Lucy is more qualified than you and costs a nickel.
(04-12-2019 04:22 AM)emu79 Wrote: Mm wonder if we name an internal interim for one season? This rumor happening close to signing day is not .good. I feel Murphy wants an extension and is using this recruiting class as a hostage. The AD should have canned him after Ball St. Loyalty has never been a word I associated with Murphy. He better do some damage control on his status or resign now.
Loyalty goes both ways. There has never been much loyalty shown to Murphy by EMU or the EMU fandom.
That said, if he leaves, our program is in a deep hurt as the program goes into turmoil without much talent for 2019/20. Who knows what happens to the existing players and recruits.
We'll all be watching the EMU WBB team.
I'd prefer he come back for 2019/20 and then if things don't work out, then he leaves without causing any disruption.
There will be turmoil whenever the change occurs. Might as well get it over with sooner than later. Like I've said before, I'd rather see rebuilding done with a new coach rather than a guy in his last year. When a new coach comes in it will breath new life into our suffocating program. Might even sell more tickets.
If Murphy does go to UCLA I wonder what it means for his family. Will they all move to LA?
I wonder what his salary would be? I don't pay attention to high major asst coaches salaries.
UCLA asst Duane Brossards base salary was 240k a few years ago.
I wouldn't be surprised if say EMU salary + 75K for cost of living differential. After all he is a very experienced coach having been at Syracuse and EMU for many years.
He certainly could be paid at the assoc head coach level.
(This post was last modified: 04-12-2019 09:30 AM by emu steve.)
Interesting Tweet about Cronin, Murphy and the match up zone. Sounds like if those two, Cronin and Murphy click, on paper it sounds like a good deal for both.
Sounds like, if all of this is true, that Murphy has quite a decision to make: HC at EMU at a mid-major in the midwest vs. say assoc. HC at a storied program in So. Cal.
BTW, Westwood, where UCLA is located is in the area near Beverly Hills and say 5 miles from Santa Monica and the Pacific Ocean.
USC, I believe isn't in a great area; UCLA is in a very beautiful area. BEAUTIFUL CAMPUS.
(This post was last modified: 04-12-2019 10:11 AM by emu steve.)
(04-12-2019 10:06 AM)emu steve Wrote: Interesting Tweet about Cronin, Murphy and the match up zone. Sounds like if those two, Cronin and Murphy click, on paper it sounds like a good deal for both.
Sounds like, if all of this is true, that Murphy has quite a decision to make: HC at EMU at a mid-major in the midwest vs. say assoc. HC at a storied program in So. Cal.
BTW, Westwood, where UCLA is located is in the area near Beverly Hills and say 5 miles from Santa Monica and the Pacific Ocean.
USC, I believe isn't in a great area; UCLA is in a very beautiful area. BEAUTIFUL CAMPUS.
Murphy knows that if he stays at EMU that he'll be looking for a job one year from now. From an employment perspective alone it makes sense for him to bolt before that. However, that type of change affects an entire family so that has to factor in to the decision.
(04-12-2019 10:06 AM)emu steve Wrote: Interesting Tweet about Cronin, Murphy and the match up zone. Sounds like if those two, Cronin and Murphy click, on paper it sounds like a good deal for both.
Sounds like, if all of this is true, that Murphy has quite a decision to make: HC at EMU at a mid-major in the midwest vs. say assoc. HC at a storied program in So. Cal.
BTW, Westwood, where UCLA is located is in the area near Beverly Hills and say 5 miles from Santa Monica and the Pacific Ocean.
USC, I believe isn't in a great area; UCLA is in a very beautiful area. BEAUTIFUL CAMPUS.
Murphy knows that if he stays at EMU that he'll be looking for a job one year from now. From an employment perspective alone it makes sense for him to bolt before that. However, that type of change affects an entire family so that has to factor in to the decision.
Very true.
Obviously Murphy is from Detroit and has stayed within a short plane ride of Detroit in either CLE or Syracuse.
I don't know if there are any ties which would argue against him uprooting and moving to So. Cal.
If he is free to go and his wife join him when school is out, then it could be a very good move.
Do remember, if Cronin-Murphy do well at UCLA he'll have more schools knocking on his door for another HC job. There are many universities in the UC and CSU system in Cal. E.g., UC-Irvine. OR Long Beach State.
(This post was last modified: 04-12-2019 11:36 AM by emu steve.)
I am so excited!!!!!! This is great news!!!! But let's look at Murphy for a second. He was tempted to leave the EMU head coaching job by 1. Low level NBA scouting job and 2. An offer to be an ASSISTANT coach at a school that has not been elite for years. He was never all-in at Eastern Michigan and I hope UCLA continues to struggle.
(04-12-2019 12:32 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote: I am so excited!!!!!! This is great news!!!! But let's look at Murphy for a second. He was tempted to leave the EMU head coaching job by 1. Low level NBA scouting job and 2. An offer to be an ASSISTANT coach at a school that has not been elite for years. He was never all-in at Eastern Michigan and I hope UCLA continues to struggle.
Bob, I couldn't agree more with your assessment! Rob Murphy wasn't interested in EMU basketball 9 months into the job! UCLA would be doing us all a favor!
(04-12-2019 12:32 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote: I am so excited!!!!!! This is great news!!!! But let's look at Murphy for a second. He was tempted to leave the EMU head coaching job by 1. Low level NBA scouting job and 2. An offer to be an ASSISTANT coach at a school that has not been elite for years. He was never all-in at Eastern Michigan and I hope UCLA continues to struggle.
Bob, I couldn't agree more with your assessment! Rob Murphy wasn't interested in EMU basketball 9 months into the job! UCLA would be doing us all a favor!
We really need a secondary source on this information before we get to far ahead of ourselves. Has anyone seen this reported anywhere other than this guy's tweet?
(This post was last modified: 04-12-2019 01:18 PM by FrankAnderson.)
He should leave for the benefit of his career. BUT, his wife is apparently a big deal in New York, so she probably can’t just get up and go to California.
I can’t imagine a California-New York relationship would be an easy one.
(04-12-2019 04:25 PM)holybovine Wrote: He should leave for the benefit of his career. BUT, his wife is apparently a big deal in New York, so she probably can’t just get up and go to California.
I can’t imagine a California-New York relationship would be an easy one.
(04-12-2019 04:25 PM)holybovine Wrote: He should leave for the benefit of his career. BUT, his wife is apparently a big deal in New York, so she probably can’t just get up and go to California.
I can’t imagine a California-New York relationship would be an easy one.
But EMU has lived with a Ypsi Syracuse one
Indeed. The lack of buy in and connection with Ypsi during his tenure is almost as concerning as his coaching acumen.
Do you REALLY think Murphy would be hired for his knowledge and coaching of basketball and the zone defense? He is an absolutely horrible coach with regards to technique and that includes the hallowed zone defense. If you want to see a Boheim protégé coach the zone effectively please see the guy coaching Washington.
Rob Murphy is a very presentable, well spoken and engaging individual that has attracted a lot of talent to Ypsilanti when others could not. His role at UCLA if hired, will be much like Wooten's is at EMU now, recruiting plain and simple. He will not in any way be depended or consulted upon for basketball strategy or player development as he has proven he has little skills in these areas. Just get the horses there Rob.
That being said, should he leave, I would hardly consider his tenure at EMU as an abject failure. A .500 conference record would have been a great success in the careers of both Ramsey and Boone. He did make EMU basketball somewhat relevant again and while we bemoan the underutilization of talent, he was after all the guy who got that talent here.
I just don't think that Rob has ever fully committed to the program like Creighton has to football as the dual residence issue has prohibited him from doing so. Good luck to him.
