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There’s always hope for improvement. JJ was terrible at shooting the 3 his first 3 yrs and was one of the top shooters in the conference last yr. But mostly I agree this is a veteran guy being added late in the game at a position of need.

(05-31-2019 12:27 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  There’s always hope for improvement. JJ was terrible at shooting the 3 his first 3 yrs and was one of the top shooters in the conference last yr. But mostly I agree this is a veteran guy being added late in the game at a position of need.

While JJ made a huge jump in 3 point shooting his senior year, he was an average 3 point shooter throughout his time at UC hovering between 33 and 38% his first 3 seasons.

(05-31-2019 11:44 AM)cincybb51 Wrote:  

(05-31-2019 11:19 AM)skyblade Wrote:  

(05-31-2019 11:00 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(05-31-2019 10:43 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Hopefully McNeal worked on his 3 point shooting. I'm guessing his effectiveness at this level will largely depend on whether he can be a mid 30s three point shooter or not.

Abysmal doesn't even do it justice...for his career he is currently shooting just a shade above 30% from 3 on an average of 4.4 attempts per game. What's even more worrisome is the fact that he shoots twice as many 3's as 2's, meaning he seems to think he is a good shooter and he only gets to the line twice a game while averaging 25mpg over 68 games played. All of those numbers scare the hell out of me if he's the guy leading the charge. One bright spot is that he is averaging over an assist more per game than JJ did last season...which could just be a result of differing pace of play.

Per 40 minutes McNeal averaged 4.6 assist per 40 minutes at New Mexico (5.6 at WKU), Jenifer averaged 4.4 per 40, so the difference isn't huge. The other scary thing is McNeal averaged 3.1 Turnovers per 40 (Jenifer averaged 1.1). So a small increase in assists, but a big increase in TO's - not a good trade-off.

Still, McNeal sat a year so he is a bit of a mystery. Either he has improved significantly or Brannen is planning to have him backup MAW - or perhaps another PG we haven't signed yet - and help MAW adjust to the game. Being a veteran he could still be nice to have around even if he doesn't start.

You are correct on all points but you are comparing Justin's senior 4th year in a system against McNeal's sophomore year and first season in system at New Mexico. Justin his first year here was 2.9 turnovers per 40 minutes. I don't know but I would guess that New Mexico's pace of play probably was faster than ours which would make McNeals assist totals look better and his TO rate look worst. Nobody will come close to the careful way Jenifer handled the ball last year but maybe at times it might be argued he didn't gamble and push things enough.

Indian Hills is a top JC program so his game might have improved there; saw where his coach there complimented the Bearcats today for his commitment.

At Indian Hills - led team to 29-5 record, 13.1 ppg, 83 3’s, 179 assists

they were a factory. nice to see indian hills still relevant

How does McNeal compare to Cane per 40 minutes. His game appears to more resemble Cane versus Justin.

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(05-31-2019 01:49 PM)Bearcatdh58 Wrote:  How does McNeal compare to Cane per 40 minutes. His game appears to more resemble Cane versus Justin.

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He averaged 5.3 assists a game. I'd say he doesn't really resemble either. JJ was a spot up shooter and Cane was a slasher; neither was a distributor.

(05-31-2019 01:49 PM)Bearcatdh58 Wrote:  How does McNeal compare to Cane per 40 minutes. His game appears to more resemble Cane versus Justin.

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There aren't per 40 for his JC year, but here are his gross statistics:

http://njcaa.org/sports/mbkb/2016-17/div...log&pos=sh

My biggest concern this year is team chemistry with all the changes. However this season should be interesting at the least.

(05-31-2019 01:54 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(05-31-2019 01:49 PM)Bearcatdh58 Wrote:  How does McNeal compare to Cane per 40 minutes. His game appears to more resemble Cane versus Justin.

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He averaged 5.3 assists a game. I'd say he doesn't really resemble either. JJ was a spot up shooter and Cane was a slasher; neither was a distributor.

I watched a video of McNeal and he seems to take it to the hole much more than Cane, he can penetrate. Outside 3 seems likewise to be on par with Cane. Also the number of turnovers.😎

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(05-31-2019 02:11 PM)Bearcatdh58 Wrote:  

(05-31-2019 01:54 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(05-31-2019 01:49 PM)Bearcatdh58 Wrote:  How does McNeal compare to Cane per 40 minutes. His game appears to more resemble Cane versus Justin.

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He averaged 5.3 assists a game. I'd say he doesn't really resemble either. JJ was a spot up shooter and Cane was a slasher; neither was a distributor.

I watched a video of McNeal and he seems to take it to the hole much more than Cane, he can penetrate. Outside 3 seems likewise to be on par with Cane. Also the number of turnovers.😎

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I believe Cane took it to the hole a lot when he played at the lower level. But at UC teams we play are bigger/stronger. McNeal is going to have similar issues making the jump to a higher level. Cane also shot over 50% from 2 in all but his senior year, while McNeal has never broken 50% from 2. As for assists, per 40 minutes is a much more fair way to judge then per game. At New Mexico McNeal averaged 4.6 per 40 minutes, Cane was 4.2 per 40 and Jenifer 4.4 per 40 in their senior years. But McNeal averaged 3.1 TOV's per 40 (Cane was 2.3 and Jenifer 1.1). So McNeal might average slightly more assists (assuming the better competition doesn't effect him), but he averaged a lot more TO's as well.

The best hope for McNeal is that he improved during his year he sat and the stats aren't an accurate reflection of his play. Based on his stats I think he is likely to be a backup 10-15 minutes per game guy. It's possible we got him for that purpose though, as a veteran to backup and help teach MAW (or another PG if we add one more).

(05-31-2019 03:54 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(05-31-2019 02:11 PM)Bearcatdh58 Wrote:  

(05-31-2019 01:54 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(05-31-2019 01:49 PM)Bearcatdh58 Wrote:  How does McNeal compare to Cane per 40 minutes. His game appears to more resemble Cane versus Justin.

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He averaged 5.3 assists a game. I'd say he doesn't really resemble either. JJ was a spot up shooter and Cane was a slasher; neither was a distributor.

I watched a video of McNeal and he seems to take it to the hole much more than Cane, he can penetrate. Outside 3 seems likewise to be on par with Cane. Also the number of turnovers.?

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I believe Cane took it to the hole a lot when he played at the lower level. But at UC teams we play are bigger/stronger. McNeal is going to have similar issues making the jump to a higher level. Cane also shot over 50% from 2 in all but his senior year, while McNeal has never broken 50% from 2. As for assists, per 40 minutes is a much more fair way to judge then per game. At New Mexico McNeal averaged 4.6 per 40 minutes, Cane was 4.2 per 40 and Jenifer 4.4 per 40 in their senior years. But McNeal averaged 3.1 TOV's per 40 (Cane was 2.3 and Jenifer 1.1). So McNeal might average slightly more assists (assuming the better competition doesn't effect him), but he averaged a lot more TO's as well.

The best hope for McNeal is that he improved during his year he sat and the stats aren't an accurate reflection of his play. Based on his stats I think he is likely to be a backup 10-15 minutes per game guy. It's possible we got him for that purpose though, as a veteran to backup and help teach MAW (or another PG if we add one more).

New Mexico and the Mountain West is basically the same level of basketball as the American. WKU and C-USA are top level mid-majors. Cane played at lowest end of division 1.

(05-31-2019 10:17 AM)levydl Wrote:  Roster update after the McNeal commit:

1. Tre Scott (Sr.)
2. Jarron Cumberland (Sr.)
3. Chris McNeal (Sr.)
4. Trevor Moore (Jr.)
5. Keith Williams (Jr.)
6. Mamoudou Diarra (Soph.)
7. Prince Toyambi (Fr.)
8. LaQuill Hardnett (Fr.)
9. Jeremiah Davenport (Fr.)
10. Mika Adams-Woods (Fr.)
11. Chris Vogt (transfer year, will be a Jr.)

10 guys for next year with 2 scholarships available.

Things are falling into place pretty well, it seems.

What we've lost vs. their replacements:

Justin Jenifer --> Chris McNeal
Brendon Broome --> ??? (hopefully Jaevin Cumberland)
Logan Johnson --> Mika Adams-Woods
Samari Curtis --> Jeremiah Davenport
Rashawn Fredericks --> LaQuill Hardnett
Eliel Nsoseme --> Prince Gillam will probably get Eli's minutes, despite being more of a 4 than a 5
Nysier Brooks --> Chris Vogt (since Vogt won't be eligible until 2020 and it's unknown if he will be starter quality at UC, this one really hurts. hopefully we land a grad transfer who can start this year at the 5)

To me, the Nsoseme and Fredericks transfers will have fairly minimal impact and we got good replacements for LoJo and Curtis. Not knowing who is going to start at point guard and center in 2019-20 is kinda scary though. Really wish LoJo was sticking around, and maybe he will change his mind. Still, I think Brannen is doing a pretty good job of putting the roster back together under less-than-ideal circumstances.

Really all the guy needs to do is dribble down the court and throw it to Jarron. Occasionally spot up for 3 or take it to the hole if its wide open. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him have a career year just bc of JC.

Definitely need a post player to round out the roster.

I have to believe that JC is going to be playing point guard. It's been mentioned multiple times that he needs more tape of him running the point to improve his NBA prospects.

That moves McNeal and Trevor Moore to the 2 spot. Keith Williams/Harnett at the 3 and the 4 and 5 are covered by Tre Scott (who will probably play a ton) and Diara/Gillam.

(05-31-2019 06:08 PM)digibrink Wrote:  I have to believe that JC is going to be playing point guard. It's been mentioned multiple times that he needs more tape of him running the point to improve his NBA prospects.

That moves McNeal and Trevor Moore to the 2 spot. Keith Williams/Harnett at the 3 and the 4 and 5 are covered by Tre Scott (who will probably play a ton) and Diara/Gillam.

Uh, probably not. McNeal is the likely starting pg. Jarron and Keith on the wing. Scott at the four. Probably a rent a center at the five.

Jarron might play some point but they just brought in a pg who played major minutes at New Mexico among his other stops.

(05-31-2019 08:53 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(05-31-2019 06:08 PM)digibrink Wrote:  I have to believe that JC is going to be playing point guard. It's been mentioned multiple times that he needs more tape of him running the point to improve his NBA prospects.

That moves McNeal and Trevor Moore to the 2 spot. Keith Williams/Harnett at the 3 and the 4 and 5 are covered by Tre Scott (who will probably play a ton) and Diara/Gillam.

Uh, probably not. McNeal is the likely starting pg. Jarron and Keith on the wing. Scott at the four. Probably a rent a center at the five.

Jarron might play some point but they just brought in a pg who played major minutes at New Mexico among his other stops.

No reason that Jarron won’t handle the ball a ton and play a little pg here and there, but with as much as he is going to do for the team...yeah McNeal probably logs the most minutes at PG.

(05-31-2019 09:06 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  

(05-31-2019 08:53 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(05-31-2019 06:08 PM)digibrink Wrote:  I have to believe that JC is going to be playing point guard. It's been mentioned multiple times that he needs more tape of him running the point to improve his NBA prospects.

That moves McNeal and Trevor Moore to the 2 spot. Keith Williams/Harnett at the 3 and the 4 and 5 are covered by Tre Scott (who will probably play a ton) and Diara/Gillam.

Uh, probably not. McNeal is the likely starting pg. Jarron and Keith on the wing. Scott at the four. Probably a rent a center at the five.

Jarron might play some point but they just brought in a pg who played major minutes at New Mexico among his other stops.

No reason that Jarron won’t handle the ball a ton and play a little pg here and there, but with as much as he is going to do for the team...yeah McNeal probably logs the most minutes at PG.

I feel like McNeal will bring it up and run the early offense, but Jarron will initiate most of the half court.

(05-31-2019 09:10 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(05-31-2019 09:06 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  

(05-31-2019 08:53 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(05-31-2019 06:08 PM)digibrink Wrote:  I have to believe that JC is going to be playing point guard. It's been mentioned multiple times that he needs more tape of him running the point to improve his NBA prospects.

That moves McNeal and Trevor Moore to the 2 spot. Keith Williams/Harnett at the 3 and the 4 and 5 are covered by Tre Scott (who will probably play a ton) and Diara/Gillam.

Uh, probably not. McNeal is the likely starting pg. Jarron and Keith on the wing. Scott at the four. Probably a rent a center at the five.

Jarron might play some point but they just brought in a pg who played major minutes at New Mexico among his other stops.

No reason that Jarron won’t handle the ball a ton and play a little pg here and there, but with as much as he is going to do for the team...yeah McNeal probably logs the most minutes at PG.

I feel like McNeal will bring it up and run the early offense, but Jarron will initiate most of the half court.

I expect Jarron to run PG quite a bit, including bringing the ball up and I think he may start in that position. I'm not convinced by McNeal, his stats just aren't that good and his TO rate is too high for a starting PG. I think MAW may run the offense later in the year, but he will take a little while to learn.

Unless we add another transfer, it looks like the 5th starting position will come down to Moore or McNeal, with Jarron starting either PG or SG depending who wins that competition. I expect Moore to win the 5th spot (though I wouldn't be surprised if McNeal does) and thus Jarron would start at PG.

how much longer does this drag on? did i read that there existed a date wherein folks had to pick a school?

(06-01-2019 11:40 AM)Lush Wrote:  how much longer does this drag on? did i read that there existed a date wherein folks had to pick a school?

Don't think there is any deadline. Appears the Bearcats are ready to announce another recruit soon!