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There is a ton of flexibility with this roster depending on who steps up. I'm not sure how minutes will end up other than Jarron and Scott will play 30+ per game, but I love the options we have.

Between his late reclassify, injury and baggage, it's possible Harvey came expecting only 5-10 minutes this year (he could even redshirt). As others have noted, Brannen has recruited mostly guards and it seems like we have too much depth there. That probably means 1/2 freshman guards redshirt.

I expect Jaevin (25-30), Moore (20) and Prince (10-15) to get the majority of the backup minutes. Sorolla will be a situational guy who could play 20 minutes some nights and not see the court on others. The best freshman will probably see 5-10 minutes and the other two will be on the bench. McNeal may only average 10-15 minutes if the Jaevin/Jarron/Keith lineup shows they can manage without a PG.

Understand in football but in this new era of the transfer portal and players staying four years becoming a rarity I don't like red shirting players if not injury related in basketball. Wonder if we would have benefited some last year with some minutes from Hardnett and Prince Gillam. Right now I can't identify which or if any of the freshmen won't be able to compete for time; if they truly believe it is in their best interests to sit out then fine. I foresee that there will be much greater competition on the practice floor than last year.

With our depth and talent on the perimeter I think we might me able to force teams to play small attempting to slow us down offensively.. Defensively we will miss Brooks inside but overall I think we will be better; certainly we will have more length at guard than we had with Justin and Cane last year. Barring injury problems we should be able to substitute often, be aggressive and foul trouble to any one player other than Jarron should not be a big problem.

(06-28-2019 10:12 AM)skyblade Wrote:  Between his late reclassify, injury and baggage, it's possible Harvey came expecting only 5-10 minutes this year (he could even redshirt). As others have noted, Brannen has recruited mostly guards and it seems like we have too much depth there. That probably means 1/2 freshman guards redshirt.

I expect Jaevin (25-30), Moore (20) and Prince (10-15) to get the majority of the backup minutes. Sorolla will be a situational guy who could play 20 minutes some nights and not see the court on others. The best freshman will probably see 5-10 minutes and the other two will be on the bench. McNeal may only average 10-15 minutes if the Jaevin/Jarron/Keith lineup shows they can manage without a PG.

Harvey didn't come to UC to redshirt, and I don't see how his baggage even relates to that. I wouldn't expect Davenport to either, given that he just spent a year in prep school. That leaves Adams-Woods.

(06-28-2019 11:05 AM)geef Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 10:12 AM)skyblade Wrote:  Between his late reclassify, injury and baggage, it's possible Harvey came expecting only 5-10 minutes this year (he could even redshirt). As others have noted, Brannen has recruited mostly guards and it seems like we have too much depth there. That probably means 1/2 freshman guards redshirt.

I expect Jaevin (25-30), Moore (20) and Prince (10-15) to get the majority of the backup minutes. Sorolla will be a situational guy who could play 20 minutes some nights and not see the court on others. The best freshman will probably see 5-10 minutes and the other two will be on the bench. McNeal may only average 10-15 minutes if the Jaevin/Jarron/Keith lineup shows they can manage without a PG.

Harvey didn't come to UC to redshirt, and I don't see how his baggage even relates to that. I wouldn't expect Davenport to either, given that he just spent a year in prep school. That leaves Adams-Woods.

I know Cronin liked to redshirt guys, but I get the impression that he used it a lot more than most coaches. So I would bet that none of these guys redshirt. Adams-Woods should get some run as a back-up PG, no?

I'm also pretty sure Brannen isn't promising anybody minutes. It might be expected that a Top 50 recruit competes for minutes or is one of our top 7 player (I hope that's safe to assume) but I don't think Brannen is committing to minutes for anybody...including Jarron and Scott.

(06-28-2019 11:58 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 11:05 AM)geef Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 10:12 AM)skyblade Wrote:  Between his late reclassify, injury and baggage, it's possible Harvey came expecting only 5-10 minutes this year (he could even redshirt). As others have noted, Brannen has recruited mostly guards and it seems like we have too much depth there. That probably means 1/2 freshman guards redshirt.

I expect Jaevin (25-30), Moore (20) and Prince (10-15) to get the majority of the backup minutes. Sorolla will be a situational guy who could play 20 minutes some nights and not see the court on others. The best freshman will probably see 5-10 minutes and the other two will be on the bench. McNeal may only average 10-15 minutes if the Jaevin/Jarron/Keith lineup shows they can manage without a PG.

Harvey didn't come to UC to redshirt, and I don't see how his baggage even relates to that. I wouldn't expect Davenport to either, given that he just spent a year in prep school. That leaves Adams-Woods.

I know Cronin liked to redshirt guys, but I get the impression that he used it a lot more than most coaches. So I would bet that none of these guys redshirt. Adams-Woods should get some run as a back-up PG, no?

That's my thinking too, MAW is the backup PG to McNeal. Moore as the stretch PF/SF. Prince and Sorolla can be used situationally at C and real PF. That leaves 20min for Harvey to be the 4th wing and for Davenport the 5th sparingly. No redshirts.

This is better and much deeper roster than last year. I expect them to contend for the league title and make the NCAA tournament. Sweet 16 or Elite 8 appearance not out of reach any more.

(06-28-2019 11:05 AM)geef Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 10:12 AM)skyblade Wrote:  Between his late reclassify, injury and baggage, it's possible Harvey came expecting only 5-10 minutes this year (he could even redshirt). As others have noted, Brannen has recruited mostly guards and it seems like we have too much depth there. That probably means 1/2 freshman guards redshirt.

I expect Jaevin (25-30), Moore (20) and Prince (10-15) to get the majority of the backup minutes. Sorolla will be a situational guy who could play 20 minutes some nights and not see the court on others. The best freshman will probably see 5-10 minutes and the other two will be on the bench. McNeal may only average 10-15 minutes if the Jaevin/Jarron/Keith lineup shows they can manage without a PG.

Harvey didn't come to UC to redshirt, and I don't see how his baggage even relates to that. I wouldn't expect Davenport to either, given that he just spent a year in prep school. That leaves Adams-Woods.

Yea, must have been a bad day at the track.

The X factor on this squad will be Tre Scott in my opinion. I hear he's been working his butt off, and in his 5th year he's clearly in line based on how he played down the stretch to be a more dominant player. I'll really be curious to see what kind of year he puts together. I'm routing for him big time, a class kid.

(06-28-2019 08:53 PM)dsquare Wrote:  The X factor on this squad will be Tre Scott in my opinion. I hear he's been working his butt off, and in his 5th year he's clearly in line based on how he played down the stretch to be a more dominant player. I'll really be curious to see what kind of year he puts together. I'm routing for him big time, a class kid.

Yea, while not the most physically talented he may be the key to our season as the only real post player with experience. I also expect him to take the next step and with him on the floor it could really stretch defenses.

Hopefully Diarra steps up and makes big strides. I think he will be a great fit for Brannen’s system and hopefully he is ready to take the next step this year.

(06-28-2019 10:12 AM)skyblade Wrote:  Between his late reclassify, injury and baggage, it's possible Harvey came expecting only 5-10 minutes this year (he could even redshirt). As others have noted, Brannen has recruited mostly guards and it seems like we have too much depth there. That probably means 1/2 freshman guards redshirt.

I expect Jaevin (25-30), Moore (20) and Prince (10-15) to get the majority of the backup minutes. Sorolla will be a situational guy who could play 20 minutes some nights and not see the court on others. The best freshman will probably see 5-10 minutes and the other two will be on the bench. McNeal may only average 10-15 minutes if the Jaevin/Jarron/Keith lineup shows they can manage without a PG.

Harvey red shirt?

(06-29-2019 12:33 AM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 10:12 AM)skyblade Wrote:  Between his late reclassify, injury and baggage, it's possible Harvey came expecting only 5-10 minutes this year (he could even redshirt). As others have noted, Brannen has recruited mostly guards and it seems like we have too much depth there. That probably means 1/2 freshman guards redshirt.

I expect Jaevin (25-30), Moore (20) and Prince (10-15) to get the majority of the backup minutes. Sorolla will be a situational guy who could play 20 minutes some nights and not see the court on others. The best freshman will probably see 5-10 minutes and the other two will be on the bench. McNeal may only average 10-15 minutes if the Jaevin/Jarron/Keith lineup shows they can manage without a PG.

Harvey red shirt?

Yea, I just don’t see a top 50 recruit redshirting barring a serious injury. It’s just not something I imagine will happen and I actually expect he will work his way into the regular rotation at some point, which will be huge experience for next year when we no longer have Jarron, Jaevin, Treyvon Scott, etc... Keith Williams will likely take on a big role next year (and this year as well), but he will also need someone to help take some of the attention and pressure off him. Getting players like Harvey, Diarra, etc... experience this year will help ensure our program has the sustained success we’ve come to expect (at least in the reg season).

(06-28-2019 11:58 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 11:05 AM)geef Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 10:12 AM)skyblade Wrote:  Between his late reclassify, injury and baggage, it's possible Harvey came expecting only 5-10 minutes this year (he could even redshirt). As others have noted, Brannen has recruited mostly guards and it seems like we have too much depth there. That probably means 1/2 freshman guards redshirt.

I expect Jaevin (25-30), Moore (20) and Prince (10-15) to get the majority of the backup minutes. Sorolla will be a situational guy who could play 20 minutes some nights and not see the court on others. The best freshman will probably see 5-10 minutes and the other two will be on the bench. McNeal may only average 10-15 minutes if the Jaevin/Jarron/Keith lineup shows they can manage without a PG.

Harvey didn't come to UC to redshirt, and I don't see how his baggage even relates to that. I wouldn't expect Davenport to either, given that he just spent a year in prep school. That leaves Adams-Woods.

I know Cronin liked to redshirt guys, but I get the impression that he used it a lot more than most coaches. So I would bet that none of these guys redshirt. Adams-Woods should get some run as a back-up PG, no?

Mick had to redshirt guys...projects need time. In fact if he could have redshirted guy for two or three years he would have.

(06-28-2019 12:08 PM)bearcatdp Wrote:  I'm also pretty sure Brannen isn't promising anybody minutes. It might be expected that a Top 50 recruit competes for minutes or is one of our top 7 player (I hope that's safe to assume) but I don't think Brannen is committing to minutes for anybody...including Jarron and Scott.

Mick had to promise minutes to upperclassman. It was one of his recruiting spiels. He thought it helped his recruiting (haha) but all it did was handcuff his in game decision making.

You can't play 12 guys, pretty much no teams go that deep. Many go 7-8 deep and have another 1-2 who get situational playing time. There's no real reason to have 12 guys active when at least 1-2 of them aren't going to see playing time.

As for Harvey. Yes he could redshirt, he has been injured since January and is still rehabbing. He missed the first half of summer practice and (I assume) is going to be unable to fully participate until his ankle is fully recovered. Not sure of the exact nature of the injury, but half a year dealing with an ankle injury and missing UC practices is going to reduce his ability to contribute immediately.

(06-29-2019 04:39 PM)skyblade Wrote:  You can't play 12 guys, pretty much no teams go that deep. Many go 7-8 deep and have another 1-2 who get situational playing time. There's no real reason to have 12 guys active when at least 1-2 of them aren't going to see playing time.

I seem to remember a few times under Huggins when he took out the starting 5 and put in 5 fresh. Left them in for a while too.

I don't remember it happening too often, or against really top notch competition, but there is some history of that happening. It would be fun to see it happen again, even if just in a "buy" game early on.

Also - we have been rather lucky on the injury front the last several years. There are years when a deep bench is a necessity, not a luxury.

With Jarron coming back, I would think that CJB has to be thinking this season could be exceptional. If Harvey is healthy, he will be given the opportunity to contribute.

Also, wanted to point out in Kenyon's senior year, he averaged less than 30 min per game. If Jarron is playing more than 30 min; that is probably not a good sign. It likely means 1) our games are closer than we would like them to be; and 2) Jarron is likely to be more fatigued when it comes to tournament time.

(06-30-2019 12:47 PM)bearcat_df Wrote:  With Jarron coming back, I would think that CJB has to be thinking this season could be exceptional. If Harvey is healthy, he will be given the opportunity to contribute.

Also, wanted to point out in Kenyon's senior year, he averaged less than 30 min per game. If Jarron is playing more than 30 min; that is probably not a good sign. It likely means 1) our games are closer than we would like them to be; and 2) Jarron is likely to be more fatigued when it comes to tournament time.

Just for a frame of reference, Jarron played 32 mpg last year with two games under 20 and 26/35 games over 31 minutes. He played under 25 in every scrub game in OOC which dumped his MPG average, but removing those games he was closer to 35 mpg last season, and that was with 3 four-year seniors on the team. He'll be a marathon man this season IMO...and it wont be a sign of bad things.

(06-30-2019 01:35 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(06-30-2019 12:47 PM)bearcat_df Wrote:  With Jarron coming back, I would think that CJB has to be thinking this season could be exceptional. If Harvey is healthy, he will be given the opportunity to contribute.

Also, wanted to point out in Kenyon's senior year, he averaged less than 30 min per game. If Jarron is playing more than 30 min; that is probably not a good sign. It likely means 1) our games are closer than we would like them to be; and 2) Jarron is likely to be more fatigued when it comes to tournament time.

Just for a frame of reference, Jarron played 32 mpg last year with two games under 20 and 26/35 games over 31 minutes. He played under 25 in every scrub game in OOC which dumped his MPG average, but removing those games he was closer to 35 mpg last season, and that was with 3 four-year seniors on the team. He'll be a marathon man this season IMO...and it wont be a sign of bad things.

To be fair, we had a lot of close games last season. Hopefully we are able to pull away a bit more this year and he had at least a few games where he can get some rest.