(04-11-2019 08:47 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(04-11-2019 01:45 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  The "MWC" has never really been "close" on the field. Maybe two years out of the past 5 they have been the closest to us out of the G4, but never "that" close. One or two of those years they were the worst G4 conference.

The AAC was a tweener conference a few years ago. Its beyond that now.

No, your right, never mind the MWC had a higher Massey rating and a better bowl record than the AAC. But if Aresco says you are P6 who am I to say otherwise.


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Yup. A REALLY abnormally bad year for the AAC, and a really abnormally good year for the mwc, and mwc gets ahead by a nose.

2018 mwc #6. AAC #7, avg ranking 2.6 spots worse, which is closer than mwc has been to a #6 AAC since the CFP began.
2017 AAC #6. Closer to #5 than to #7-10. Closer to #1 than to #9-10.
2016 AAC #6. Closer to #5 than to #8-10. Gap from #6-7 58% of the gap from #5-6.
2015 AAC #6. Closer to #5 than to #7-10.
2014 AAC was #8. But from the #8 slot, closer to #6 than any G4 has been to us at #6 since then.
2013 AAC #6.

(04-11-2019 09:39 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

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(04-11-2019 08:49 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(04-11-2019 08:47 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  No, your right, never mind the MWC had a higher Massey rating and a better bowl record than the AAC. But if Aresco says you are P6 who am I to say otherwise.


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Hey! Nice of you to come on over to the rich side of town. How about a Fresca <ruffles hair>.

Utah State fans drink Tab

and use Bing

His tag says Iona State University, they drink the kool aid.

Only kool aid when it is on sale have to go with flavor aid all other times

You know you've lost the argument when slh pulls out the stats.

(04-12-2019 07:46 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  You know you've lost the argument when slh pulls out the stats.

slh's signature should read, "Fact's don't care about your feelings".

(04-12-2019 07:46 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  You know you've lost the argument when slh pulls out the stats.

I'm really waiting for him to ask "What do you mean ABNORMALLY good for mwc?" (or the abnormally bad for AAC).

(04-11-2019 08:53 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(04-11-2019 08:49 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(04-11-2019 08:47 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(04-11-2019 01:45 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  The "MWC" has never really been "close" on the field. Maybe two years out of the past 5 they have been the closest to us out of the G4, but never "that" close. One or two of those years they were the worst G4 conference.

The AAC was a tweener conference a few years ago. Its beyond that now.

No, your right, never mind the MWC had a higher Massey rating and a better bowl record than the AAC. But if Aresco says you are P6 who am I to say otherwise.


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Only the Mormon ones


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Just a quick question: If the AAC brands themselves as a power conference, why don’t you drop trying to qualify for the G5 Access Bowl?

I concede you are the best G5 league, but not a Power league at this time.


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(04-12-2019 02:37 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Just a quick question: If the AAC brands themselves as a power conference, why don’t you drop trying to qualify for the G5 Access Bowl?

I concede you are the best G5 league, but not a Power league at this time.


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Acceptance. The final stage.

(04-12-2019 02:37 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Just a quick question: If the AAC brands themselves as a power conference, why don’t you drop trying to qualify for the G5 Access Bowl?

I concede you are the best G5 league, but not a Power league at this time.


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there is no such thing as a power league ....it is a media term....like high major and low major in basketball..there is no definition, that is defined by the indivdual

we are a power conference by our definition, your instance of putting yurt definition of power conference in a AAC forum shows deep insecurities within yourself

Seems to me like we are more likely to have an upper-level football team. The middle and bottom of the conference, whoever that is in a given year (we've been at the top and the bottom), is pretty equal to the other G4 leagues. Overall, we have more fans in the stands and the games. The games are on TV more. We also get more overall P5 wins every year. Sometimes more than the other 4 conferences combined.

(04-12-2019 03:04 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  

(04-12-2019 02:37 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Just a quick question: If the AAC brands themselves as a power conference, why don’t you drop trying to qualify for the G5 Access Bowl?

I concede you are the best G5 league, but not a Power league at this time.


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Acceptance. The final stage.

Of the five stages, denial seems the longest to complete.

(04-12-2019 02:37 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Just a quick question: If the AAC brands themselves as a power conference, why don’t you drop trying to qualify for the G5 Access Bowl?

I concede you are the best G5 league, but not a Power league at this time.


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We could—-but the Peach and Fiesta Bowls would scream bloody murder if they were to be always saddled with a G4 team. Continuing to claim the access bowl is simply an unselfish act of P6 duty by the AAC to keep the CFP system health, strong, and popular.

(04-11-2019 05:32 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  No Panama, Fanhood, sjoey (or whoever), Sactowndog, Edulvar????

Where are the G4 guys?

OK...I'll chime in.
Since 2013 when the current realignment started the MW is 12-8 over the AAC teams.

(04-12-2019 04:31 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(04-11-2019 05:32 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  No Panama, Fanhood, sjoey (or whoever), Sactowndog, Edulvar????

Where are the G4 guys?

OK...I'll chime in.
Since 2013 when the current realignment started the MW is 12-8 over the AAC teams.

Whats the Regular Season record vs. the Post Season?

For the Post Season games ... MWC won probably because AAC coaches were poached by P5 schools.

Top ranked teams not currently in P5 since 2013

2013 UCF
2014 Boise St.
2015 Houston
2016 W. Michigan
2017 UCF
2018 UCF


Other teams ranked-
2014 Marshall, Memphis
2015 Navy, Western Kentucky
2016 USF, San Diego St.
2017 USF, Boise, Memphis
2018 Fresno, Army, Utah St., Boise, Cincinnati





These are actual numbers since 2013

AAC:
4 access appearences 3 wins 1 loss
10 ranked
6 different teams, 3 from each division, 3 teams have appeared multiple times, UCF (3), USF, and Memphis.
At least one ranked every year, multiples in three of the six, one of those multiples years with three teams including an access bowl winner.

MW:
1 access appearence 1 win 0 losses
6 ranked
4 different teams, 2 in each division, only Boise has appeared multiple times.
At least one team ranked four of five years, multiples in two of the four years, including one with three.

MAC
1 access appearence, 0 wins 1 loss
1 ranked
1 team, 1 division represented
Only ranked once in five years, no multiples.

CUSA
0 access appearences, 0 wins 0 losses
2 ranked
2 teams, 1 in each division
One team in two of five years, no multiples.

So there are thirteen programs have been represented in the rankings, six AAC, seven non-AAC, four of them MW teams. Four programs have multiple appearence in the rankings, three AAC teams and Boise. Boise has appeared in three of the four ranked years for the MW and leads the way for all teams with being ranked three times which is matched by UCF.

Four teams have made an appearence in the access bowl, two AAC teams (50%) Houston who won a game, UCF appearing 3 times winning twice and losing once, Boise who also won, and Western Michigan who lost.

The mountain west is way behind, it's really not close. They are basically a fading Boise although they are quite a bit better than the other g4 conferences, unless you take out Boise, then they're the same.

(04-12-2019 04:31 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(04-11-2019 05:32 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  No Panama, Fanhood, sjoey (or whoever), Sactowndog, Edulvar????

Where are the G4 guys?

OK...I'll chime in.
Since 2013 when the current realignment started the MW is 12-8 over the AAC teams.

ok

We just signed a tv deal that's light years better than yours, our programs are in legit populated areas and we have better tv slots.

So, good job in the head to head. Didn't really help you much contract wise though.

(04-12-2019 05:08 PM)Philipvarg Wrote:  

(04-12-2019 04:31 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(04-11-2019 05:32 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  No Panama, Fanhood, sjoey (or whoever), Sactowndog, Edulvar????

Where are the G4 guys?

OK...I'll chime in.
Since 2013 when the current realignment started the MW is 12-8 over the AAC teams.

Whats the Regular Season record vs. the Post Season?

For the Post Season games ... MWC won probably because AAC coaches were poached by P5 schools.

Good point.

(04-12-2019 02:37 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Just a quick question: If the AAC brands themselves as a power conference, why don’t you drop trying to qualify for the G5 Access Bowl?

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My first inclination was to channel Bryce Harper and tell you that's a clown question, bro, but I will actually address it in full.

P6 has never been saying we're the equal of the SEC or Big10 now; the P6 information campaign and the whole AAC strategic plan are saying we are closer to the five contract bowl conferences than to the other four, so if you are grouping us then group us with those five not the other four. The strategic plan talks in several places about doing the things the autonomous conferences do, not claiming autonomy we don't have. The goal is being on the right side of the NEXT restructure in 2025.
Similarly, not having a CFP bowl contract is kind of all wrapped up in it. Getting one was prominent in Aresco's press comments immediately after we signed our media contract.
So to your question, why would we step away from our access to the CFP New Years Six bowls (remember when it was frequently referred to as the Access Bowl slot?) It would be delusional, when in fact we know that we dont have a CFP Bowl contract. It would be impractical for throwing away money - and oh, by the way, CFP money is another scorekeeping method by which the AAC is ahead and separating.
And it would actually be COUNTERproductive to the whole P6 campaign. Consistently taking that slot is a GREAT way to prove that we're head and shoulders above the G4. Picture the CFP in another six years saying "We've had this NY6 bowl eleven years now, and you've taken it seven times. Lets get you a contract bowl, cut out the other four but give them their $13-18 million, and move into the future." I agree it's not very likely, but it is certainly conceivable. No, consistently taking the "G5" NY6 slot is perfectly compatible with the P6 campaign.

And in closing, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I would like to say, that that was a clown question, bro.

(04-12-2019 02:37 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Just a quick question: If the AAC brands themselves as a power conference, why don’t you drop trying to qualify for the G5 Access Bowl?

I concede you are the best G5 league, but not a Power league at this time.


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Glad to see we finally broke you. Now shine our shoes and shut your mouth.

(04-11-2019 08:53 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

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(04-11-2019 08:47 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(04-11-2019 01:45 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  The "MWC" has never really been "close" on the field. Maybe two years out of the past 5 they have been the closest to us out of the G4, but never "that" close. One or two of those years they were the worst G4 conference.

The AAC was a tweener conference a few years ago. Its beyond that now.

No, your right, never mind the MWC had a higher Massey rating and a better bowl record than the AAC. But if Aresco says you are P6 who am I to say otherwise.


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Hey! Nice of you to come on over to the rich side of town. How about a Fresca <ruffles hair>.

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My mom drank Fresca and Tab. Lol