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RE: Big 12 deal with ESPN
(04-12-2019 05:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(04-10-2019 12:18 PM)bullet Wrote:  I think conference networks are going away. You will see more ESPN+ type deals.

Maybe the SECN and BTN linger a little longer. But not indefinitely.

Yeah, I see them getting rolled into ESPN+. One day you will have conference categories.

You have to remember that while ESPN wants to grow PLUS, it certainly doesn't want to undermine its linear cable business.

Here are some monthly linear revenue numbers from 2017:

ESPN .... $650 m

ESPN 2 .... $80 m

SECN ....... $50 m

ESPN News ... $33 m

ESPN U ........ $33 m

Now, at 2 million subscribers per month, ESPN+ is doing about $10 m per month.

That's good for ESPN, because that's new money coming in and growing. But it's nothing close to the revenue of the linear channels.

Also, look at the SECN. That is a monster for them. It's a bigger revenue-earner than two of the four core linear channels.

ESPN isn't going to want to do anything that cuts the revenues of the SECN.

For a cable guy like me, ESPN+ is a JUNK deal. I currently get ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN News, ESPNu, and the SECN all for about $10 a month. That's an enormous quantity of high-quality sports.

And yet ESPN wants me to pay half of that again, $5 more per month, for the tier-3 junk on ESPN+?

Not me.

ESPN+ is not that far off from ESPNU and ESPNNews. I could see + supplanting U and News in terms of importance
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RE: Big 12 deal with ESPN
(04-12-2019 05:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-11-2019 05:17 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(04-10-2019 12:18 PM)bullet Wrote:  I think conference networks are going away. You will see more ESPN+ type deals.

Maybe the SECN and BTN linger a little longer. But not indefinitely.

Yeah, I see them getting rolled into ESPN+. One day you will have conference categories.

You have to remember that while ESPN wants to grow PLUS, it certainly doesn't want to undermine its linear cable business.

Here are some monthly linear revenue numbers from 2017:

ESPN .... $650 m

ESPN 2 .... $80 m

SECN ....... $50 m

ESPN News ... $33 m

ESPN U ........ $33 m

Now, at 2 million subscribers per month, ESPN+ is doing about $10 m per month.

That's good for ESPN, because that's new money coming in and growing. But it's nothing close to the revenue of the linear channels.

Also, look at the SECN. That is a monster for them. It's a bigger revenue-earner than two of the four core linear channels.

ESPN isn't going to want to do anything that cuts the revenues of the SECN.

For a cable guy like me, ESPN+ is a JUNK deal. I currently get ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN News, ESPNu, and the SECN all for about $10 a month. That's an enormous quantity of high-quality sports.

And yet ESPN wants me to pay half of that again, $5 more per month, for the tier-3 junk on ESPN+?

Not me.

Yeah, it's not worth it yet to see a few SC baseball or womens basketball games.

Once they start putting significant mens basketball and quality college football games there? That's when I probably jump in. I also love how you can watch quality replays too, but again, not worth $5/month.
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Not having Texas and OU in on the shift looks bad on the network, but slung right back at the conference for not being a unified front. Not terribly unlike any program poo-poo’ing non-Saturday games. There are some optics here.

What I suspect is happening is that you will see more ACCN stuff shown in amongst the SEC, Big Ten, and Big XII content. Whereas now, out here in Philly, it’s not uncommon to find B12 games on all three main stations at noon (ABC, ESPN, and ESPN2), or on two of the three (and maybe a game on Fox), now we might be seeing more ACC content on one or more of those stations. Heh, a Pitt, Cuse, BC, or UVA game on the local dial? Wow, way to finally get back there!

You can only fault the Big XII in that they had a shot to come back to the table to restructure (ahem, extend) their deal. They didn’t. It wasn’t great business to shove all that B12 content onto basic packages to east coast customers, but, hey, extend your deal, and maybe there’s less going to ESPN+.
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RE: Big 12 deal with ESPN
(04-12-2019 01:12 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Not having Texas and OU in on the shift looks bad on the network, but slung right back at the conference for not being a unified front. Not terribly unlike any program poo-poo’ing non-Saturday games. There are some optics here.

What I suspect is happening is that you will see more ACCN stuff shown in amongst the SEC, Big Ten, and Big XII content. Whereas now, out here in Philly, it’s not uncommon to find B12 games on all three main stations at noon (ABC, ESPN, and ESPN2), or on two of the three (and maybe a game on Fox), now we might be seeing more ACC content on one or more of those stations. Heh, a Pitt, Cuse, BC, or UVA game on the local dial? Wow, way to finally get back there!

You can only fault the Big XII in that they had a shot to come back to the table to restructure (ahem, extend) their deal. They didn’t. It wasn’t great business to shove all that B12 content onto basic packages to east coast customers, but, hey, extend your deal, and maybe there’s less going to ESPN+.

Why would there be more ACC content OTA? They are trying to build a network. So they will be doing the opposite and holding reasonably good games for the network, just as the SEC did when launching the SECN.
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(04-12-2019 01:12 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Not having Texas and OU in on the shift looks bad on the network, but slung right back at the conference for not being a unified front. Not terribly unlike any program poo-poo’ing non-Saturday games. There are some optics here.

What I suspect is happening is that you will see more ACCN stuff shown in amongst the SEC, Big Ten, and Big XII content. Whereas now, out here in Philly, it’s not uncommon to find B12 games on all three main stations at noon (ABC, ESPN, and ESPN2), or on two of the three (and maybe a game on Fox), now we might be seeing more ACC content on one or more of those stations. Heh, a Pitt, Cuse, BC, or UVA game on the local dial? Wow, way to finally get back there!

You can only fault the Big XII in that they had a shot to come back to the table to restructure (ahem, extend) their deal. They didn’t. It wasn’t great business to shove all that B12 content onto basic packages to east coast customers, but, hey, extend your deal, and maybe there’s less going to ESPN+.

the entire point of the ACCn is to get the ACC to agree to allow ESPN to move content off of those main channels that ESPN would have had to carry that content on before and have it placed on the ACCn

in the case of the SEC SEC SEC they had some of their second tier content moved to the SECn SECn SECn in their deal

ESPN has too much content as it is now for all the hours in the day and the only way to get it on the air is to have more channels which means they are paying for content that competes with their own content on other channels

the way to minimize that cost for ESPN is to start a conference network and have the conference share in the cost of running that network and then hope they can cram that network on as many cable MSOs as possible especially ones in areas that probably do not care much about that content

es for the Big 12 their media deal is pretty much 50/50 between ESPN and Fox so it does not make a lot of sense to extend one part of it when you probably are not going to extend the other part

and yes in the past with the Big 12 specifically (and others) media deals were for different lengths of time and started and stopped at different times, but that was because in the past conferences were only getting contracts for "first tier" content (especially nationally) and then when the media landscape changed suddenly there were players that wanted to bid on additional content (especially nationally) instead of just Learfield or Raycom

plus with Fox right now and their selling off of some sports channels (a lot of regionals that I think they worked ESPN on the value of) and them trying to decide how much sports they want on Fox over the air and how hard they want to work to make FS1 as big as possible and just all of the other transitions and transactions with them now is probably not the best time for the Big 12 to be looking to extend a contract with them that has 6 years still left on it

sure Fox bid hard on the Big 10, but for limited content, FIRST TIER content, and that content was on the market so Fox either bought it or missed out on it for another 6 years

the Big 12 is clearly in the middle of the P5 on media payments and OU and Texas are getting money at about the top and this is found money for OU and Texas especially so the Big 12 is not hurting right now and they have plenty of time to negotiate their deals in the future either when they expire or in a couple of years if they feel that is best

in the case of the content just sold that content was on the market and available so they sold it that is much different than extending a full media deal 6 years early with two companies

and I think more so it could be looked at as not the best business decision to have content that was to be carried on national channels and allow it to be placed on a network that has shared expenses with the conference and that relies on ESPN being able to cram that channel into markets that might not want it in a time of increasing cord cutting

even if ESPN had options to limit the footprint of the Big 12 content being shown on the national network it was still going to be shown in a large area on that network because it had to be

with the ACCn ESPN has the ability to place large amounts of content on there with no obligation to place it on the main networks without regard to the number of viewers now or 12 years from now which is a long time away in terms of what cable TV will be and the ability to cram a network and recover cost much less turn a profit and share a profit

with ESPN+ I am confident that ESPN will do a crappy job with streaming and the will try and charge way too much, but that content will still be there for anyone and everyone that wants it that has an internet connection

10 years from now will the ACCn even be on most cable MSOs?.....will traditional cable even be much of a thing then?.....who knows.....but we know ESPN can still move large amounts of content there if they see fit
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(04-10-2019 09:39 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(04-10-2019 09:31 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  
(04-10-2019 09:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-10-2019 09:09 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Meh...

Bottom line ESPN is setting it up so that every college football fan is going to have to get ESPN+. Doesn't matter if you are a G5 go or not.

When ESPN+ was launched, they claimed that it would consist of almost entirely *new* content, with very little shifting of content from existing formats that cable TV subscribers already get. Most crucially, ESPN3, which has been a bonanza for college football fans.

I immediately smelled a rat and expressed doubts about that, and my fears are being entirely born out. ESPN3 in particular is being stripped for PLUS.

Heck, even this past season, there was a *noticeable* decline in games on ESPN3 from 2017.



And now with a shifting landscape in TV distribution and consumption ESPN+ is a bonanza for football fans. My cable internet subscription (don't have cable TV) did not provide me with ESPN3. Now I can pay my $60 a year and get all the App State Sports I can manage to watch. ESPN+ has way more content than ESPN3 had for the Sun Belt.

Yeah I would think for a fan of a G5 program, ESPN + is probably a net positive. You get everything and can rewatch too.

Zactly...ESPN+ has a mission. The change is I might start to consider paying for it in the future as more content is there.

Still a great deal compared to buying ESPN GamePlan 10-15 years ago.
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(04-12-2019 02:29 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  10 years from now will the AACn even be on most cable MSOs?.....will traditional cable even be much of a thing then?.....who knows.....but we know ESPN can still move large amounts of content there if they see fit

As an AAC fan, I can only say I sure hope so!

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(04-12-2019 04:36 PM)usffan Wrote:  
(04-12-2019 02:29 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  10 years from now will the AACn even be on most cable MSOs?.....will traditional cable even be much of a thing then?.....who knows.....but we know ESPN can still move large amounts of content there if they see fit

As an AAC fan, I can only say I sure hope so!

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the answer to an AACn is no

edited it to ACCn as I meant
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(04-12-2019 02:10 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(04-12-2019 01:12 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Not having Texas and OU in on the shift looks bad on the network, but slung right back at the conference for not being a unified front. Not terribly unlike any program poo-poo’ing non-Saturday games. There are some optics here.

What I suspect is happening is that you will see more ACCN stuff shown in amongst the SEC, Big Ten, and Big XII content. Whereas now, out here in Philly, it’s not uncommon to find B12 games on all three main stations at noon (ABC, ESPN, and ESPN2), or on two of the three (and maybe a game on Fox), now we might be seeing more ACC content on one or more of those stations. Heh, a Pitt, Cuse, BC, or UVA game on the local dial? Wow, way to finally get back there!

You can only fault the Big XII in that they had a shot to come back to the table to restructure (ahem, extend) their deal. They didn’t. It wasn’t great business to shove all that B12 content onto basic packages to east coast customers, but, hey, extend your deal, and maybe there’s less going to ESPN+.

Why would there be more ACC content OTA? They are trying to build a network. So they will be doing the opposite and holding reasonably good games for the network, just as the SEC did when launching the SECN.

Remember how it’s a tradition watching Ohio State-Michigan on BTN? Neither do I. It lives on a primary station. As does PSU-OSU.

The network offers a taste. The “national” worthy games, like those with a Clemson, FSU, VT etc. will still find their way out. Just not every one of their games, which is the point, and the hook. And it hasn’t really been this way with the ACC until maybe the last season or two. You can still build the ACCN with a game on one of the main stations. But you don’t withhold content behind the paywall entirely. No conference is putting the chasers in those places, really.

The ACCN has its footprint in the wrong area to continue sticking games out of reach. That was part of the disdain some in the ACC had with the the conference’s business deals in the past. Meanwhile, when did seeing Oklahoma State and West Virginia games become so common up in the northeast? It’s that shift away from B12 dial dominance that I see. The new ACCN is just now around to fancy the appetite.
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Just my opinion but I think the ACC Basketball will be what makes the ACC Network successful. There will be more marquee match-ups with that sport than football. It would not shock me to see at least one Duke vs UNC game moved to the ACC Network. While I don't think the ACCN will be as successful as the SECN. I do think it will surprise people by being more successful than they thought.
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(04-12-2019 06:24 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Just my opinion but I think the ACC Basketball will be what makes the ACC Network successful. There will be more marquee match-ups with that sport than football. It would not shock me to see at least one Duke vs UNC game moved to the ACC Network. While I don't think the ACCN will be as successful as the SECN. I do think it will surprise people by being more successful than they thought.

Yeah, now college basketball you can put behind the wall. Especially since it could open up other ESPN channels and ESPN+ to more non-major content, the NBA, and UFC.
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(04-10-2019 08:54 AM)zoocrew Wrote:  How does Oklahoma and Texas continuously get away with screwing the rest of the Big 12? Get the hell out of that conference it’s the least level playing field I’ve ever seen.

This contract makes it clear every non UT/OU school is basically a AAC school and I now fully expect ESPN has the ability to influence these 2 leagues futures.

2024/25 is coming.

You are not incorrect.

However it's not that UT and OU are "screwing" anyone, rather in the absence of B12 Network they each signed deals for their 3rd tier rights. OU still has the next 3 years with FOX until July 2022 (the deal started in 2012 for 10 years). Texas' deal with ESPN for the LHN was done in 2011 for 20 years, until July 2031. Kansas had 3rd tier rights, but it looks like they threw in the towel and signed up with the little 8.

If you are curious, OU's deal with FOX and Learfield, will net them $19.4M the next three years, while the LHN will net UT $90M the next six years (further, ESPN is on the hook for $107.4M the "out years" through 2031 for the LHN).

Doing the BOE Math for the ESPN deal, it looks like the $20M for 3rd tier content over the next 6 years, given ESPN's typical 3% escalator, starts at $420K per school in 2019-20 (4 schools), and finishes at $487K per school in 2024-25 (8 schools). I am assuming no B12 share of this, which may or may not be correct. If there is a B12 share then the total is about $400K per school annually.

It should be noted that OU and UT will be featured in any road game against the "little 8" 3rd tier network, especially in non-revenue sports.

All schools share in the CCG, but I am not sure that $20M for the three years CBS opted out of would have been much different. Taking a league office 11th share into account, it seems the CCG brings just over $600K per school in additional annual revenue.

Obviously OU is not opting in for the final 3 GOR years of the B12 "network" content. They pull between 12x and 15x that amount in their own deal. Certainly there will be a lot of tea leave reading surrounding OU's 3rd tier deal for 2022-25. It's hard to imagine it would either carry over beyond that time, except with an opt out clause should they join a conference other than the B12 with a Network. If they continue with FOX and the BTN production team, everyone will say, "they are going B1G", and if they switch to ESPN everyone will say, "they are going to the SEC." I think the latter might be more true than the former as an indicator, as staying with the team you have in place while you figure out the next step would seem logical whichever way they decide to go, or even stay.

UT and the LHN is a difficult read. I think any conference would live with 6 years of 3rd tier games hosted by Texas being outside their network. People would still subscribe to BTN or SECtv (whatever delivery platform they use) to see Texas road games. The B1G lets JHU lacrosse and ND hockey have their own deals as members, and it's probably the better option than buying out ESPN for the LHN, at least for the first few years to let that massive payout valuation spend itself out (waiting 3 years to integrate them saves $51M, 4 years almost $68M)

Clearly however ESPN has set a market value of the little 8 not too much above the AAC. I find it telling that KU could not work up a 3rd tier deal of enough value to not play team ball.

No point here just some random thoughts and BEO math.
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Quote:Clearly however ESPN has set a market value of the little 8 not too much above the AAC. I find it telling that KU could not work up a 3rd tier deal of enough value to not play team ball.

No point here just some random thoughts and BEO math.

Its cause the cieling on basketball is so much smaller than the cieling on football. The Big East receives on averge about 5M per year per team from Fox for all thier sports content. Why would Kansas receive more than that for their tier 3 rights when basktball is thier main sell and their football is in the gutter?
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(04-16-2019 03:57 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(04-10-2019 08:54 AM)zoocrew Wrote:  How does Oklahoma and Texas continuously get away with screwing the rest of the Big 12? Get the hell out of that conference it’s the least level playing field I’ve ever seen.

This contract makes it clear every non UT/OU school is basically a AAC school and I now fully expect ESPN has the ability to influence these 2 leagues futures.

2024/25 is coming.

You are not incorrect.

However it's not that UT and OU are "screwing" anyone, rather in the absence of B12 Network they each signed deals for their 3rd tier rights.

Bottom line is, TX and OU won't throw their 3rd tier rights in with the Little 8 because it would cost them a lot of money to do so. And since everyone else would do the same if they could, it makes no sense to say they are "screwing" anyone over.
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ESPN will put the popular programs on the linear channels and the less popular programs on the networks. It’s what they did with The SEC Network, it’s what they did with The ACC Extra Network that they have been doing for the last two years plus and it’s what they will do with The Big 12 games. The market will determine what teams / games get to the linear channel. ESPN wants to make money. Sure they’ll relegate a top game or two each season to the conference networks, you may see a few go to ESPN+, in the end the market will determine who plays and when and where it’s broadcast.

The CSNBBS storylines here are laughable.

Let’s review......

CFP announced...The narrative here: The ACC will be playing The PAC every year for the fourth spot.
The reality: The SEC and ACC are the only conferences that have made every playoff. 03-lmfao

The ACC GOR.... The narrative here: ACC schools will NEVER sign a grant of rights.
The reality: Grant of Rights announced the same day some here predicting ACC schools would jump to The Big 10 and Big 12. 03-lmfao

The ACC Network..... The narrative here: The ACC will NEVER get a conference network. The Big 12 will get a network before The ACC. The reality: ESPN tells The Big 12 no network for you and six weeks later ESPN announces The ACC Network for August 2019. 03-lmfao

The ACC doomsayers here haven’t been doing so well the last decade, yet they continue the same tired predictions that no doubt yield the same results.

Now the narrative is The ACC Network won’t make any money. Based on the the way predictions here have turned out, The ACC is set to make a bundle. 04-cheers
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(04-16-2019 08:57 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Now the narrative is The ACC Network won’t make any money. Based on the the way predictions here have turned out, The ACC is set to make a bundle. 04-cheers

Well, the ACC hasn't been the subject of nearly as much doomsaying around here as has the Big 12. For years, the assumption has been that the Big 12 is a Dead Conference Walking, with 2025 as the end date. So it really is Big 12 supporters who should have a chip on their shoulder about that, not ACC fans.

But since you mention the ACC ...

The ACCN really is the key to ACC long-run stability. When schools like Clemson and FSU grumbled about the money a few years ago, Swofford did a great job reining them back in to the fold.

But he did it with this message: Give me a GOR so I can go to ESPN and negotiate an ACC Network from a position of strength, and that will solve the money problem.

The ACC schools did just that, and Swofford delivered on the ACCN.

The wild-card is: How much extra money will it bring in? Will it be enough to make Clemson and FSU happy?

None of us knows the answer but we are about to start finding out. 07-coffee3
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I paid the $49.00 for a year of ESPN+ plus. I love it. Well worth every penny. I enjoy The USL, European football, Rugby and Australian rules football. Sports you don’t find a lot of coverage on US television. If your a fan of sports other than baseball and basketball in the spring and summer you should check it out.
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(04-16-2019 09:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-16-2019 08:57 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Now the narrative is The ACC Network won’t make any money. Based on the the way predictions here have turned out, The ACC is set to make a bundle. 04-cheers

Well, the ACC hasn't been the subject of nearly as much doomsaying around here as has the Big 12. For years, the assumption has been that the Big 12 is a Dead Conference Walking, with 2025 as the end date. So it really is Big 12 supporters who should have a chip on their shoulder about that, not ACC fans.

But since you mention the ACC ...

The ACCN really is the key to ACC long-run stability. When schools like Clemson and FSU grumbled about the money a few years ago, Swofford did a great job reining them back in to the fold.

But he did it with this message: Give me a GOR so I can go to ESPN and negotiate an ACC Network from a position of strength, and that will solve the money problem.

The ACC schools did just that, and Swofford delivered on the ACCN.

The wild-card is: How much extra money will it bring in? Will it be enough to make Clemson and FSU happy?

None of us knows the answer but we are about to start finding out. 07-coffee3

Well I’ve been around here 15 years tomorrow, so I’ve read a lot. I believe idea The Big 12 is going anywhere is misguided. If Texas and Oklahoma jump The Big 12 will reload with programs from The American.

As for what The ACC Network pays, who knows.
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(04-16-2019 09:14 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I paid the $49.00 for a year of ESPN+ plus. I love it. Well worth every penny. I enjoy The USL, European football, Rugby and Australian rules football. Sports you don’t find a lot of coverage on US television. If your a fan of sports other than baseball and basketball in the spring and summer you should check it out.

I agree with your last sentence: There is no blanket answer to the question of whether ESPN+ is a good deal or not. It depends on your interests. For me, as of now, it is not, but that could change.
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(04-16-2019 09:19 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(04-16-2019 09:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-16-2019 08:57 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Now the narrative is The ACC Network won’t make any money. Based on the the way predictions here have turned out, The ACC is set to make a bundle. 04-cheers

Well, the ACC hasn't been the subject of nearly as much doomsaying around here as has the Big 12. For years, the assumption has been that the Big 12 is a Dead Conference Walking, with 2025 as the end date. So it really is Big 12 supporters who should have a chip on their shoulder about that, not ACC fans.

But since you mention the ACC ...

The ACCN really is the key to ACC long-run stability. When schools like Clemson and FSU grumbled about the money a few years ago, Swofford did a great job reining them back in to the fold.

But he did it with this message: Give me a GOR so I can go to ESPN and negotiate an ACC Network from a position of strength, and that will solve the money problem.

The ACC schools did just that, and Swofford delivered on the ACCN.

The wild-card is: How much extra money will it bring in? Will it be enough to make Clemson and FSU happy?

None of us knows the answer but we are about to start finding out. 07-coffee3

Well I’ve been around here 15 years tomorrow, so I’ve read a lot. I believe idea The Big 12 is going anywhere is misguided. If Texas and Oklahoma jump The Big 12 will reload with programs from The American.

As for what The ACC Network pays, who knows.

LMAO yup even if half the teams in the Big 12 bolt there are plenty of P5 quality AAC teams they can backfill with and still be better than the PAC 12. Big 12 ain’t going nowhere.
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