(04-09-2019 07:29 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Today it was reported by the North Texas AD that the university is close to signing the Mean Green's head football coach to a new extension. Seth Littrell has received a raise after every season since joining UNT. His current deal pays him $1.4 million a year and runs thru 2022.

I am curious on how this compares to SMU. Just from sheer enrollment numbers, I think North Texas is destined to someday overtake the Ponies.

Do you benchmark against SMU?

(05-07-2019 06:38 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(04-09-2019 07:29 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Today it was reported by the North Texas AD that the university is close to signing the Mean Green's head football coach to a new extension. Seth Littrell has received a raise after every season since joining UNT. His current deal pays him $1.4 million a year and runs thru 2022.

I am curious on how this compares to SMU. Just from sheer enrollment numbers, I think North Texas is destined to someday overtake the Ponies.

Do you benchmark against SMU?

Im not sure we know how much SMU pays their staff. I dont ever remember hearing a number for Dykes after they hired him. We sure will overtake them again on the field this season though.

(05-07-2019 12:05 AM)Curtzilla Wrote:  Oh, things are so terrible in Denton. If it gets any worse we'll have to join the boys in Bowling Green talking basketball in August.

Win something then you have room to talk. I wouldn't call being tied for 5th (really 6th since Tech beat you head to head)in the conference as something.."good".

(05-06-2019 10:50 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  If I was a UNT fan I would be praying Littrell is gone after this season. If not I predict we have another ULL and Hudspeth at UNT. A coach comes in gets a couple 9 win seasons after years of losing football and the school pays him more than they can afford to buyout if he loses....

then the coach cannot get over the hump or win the big games (hell after 3 seasons he hasn't yet) and before you know it the team is back to 6,5,3 wins and the school can't do anything about it.

What makes you think UNT wouldn't be able to afford his buyout? We are building and renovating facilities, and increasing ticket sales an donations. Texas is nothing like Louisiana, and the economic and funding situation is probably more favorable for North Texas, than it is for ULL.

(05-07-2019 06:16 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 10:50 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  If I was a UNT fan I would be praying Littrell is gone after this season. If not I predict we have another ULL and Hudspeth at UNT. A coach comes in gets a couple 9 win seasons after years of losing football and the school pays him more than they can afford to buyout if he loses....

then the coach cannot get over the hump or win the big games (hell after 3 seasons he hasn't yet) and before you know it the team is back to 6,5,3 wins and the school can't do anything about it.

What makes you think UNT wouldn't be able to afford his buyout? We are building and renovating facilities, and increasing ticket sales an donations. Texas is nothing like Louisiana, and the economic and funding situation is probably more favorable for North Texas, than it is for ULL.

WKUYG sure has a burr under his saddle when it comes to anything North Texas.

(05-07-2019 06:16 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 10:50 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  If I was a UNT fan I would be praying Littrell is gone after this season. If not I predict we have another ULL and Hudspeth at UNT. A coach comes in gets a couple 9 win seasons after years of losing football and the school pays him more than they can afford to buyout if he loses....

then the coach cannot get over the hump or win the big games (hell after 3 seasons he hasn't yet) and before you know it the team is back to 6,5,3 wins and the school can't do anything about it.

What makes you think UNT wouldn't be able to afford his buyout? We are building and renovating facilities, and increasing ticket sales an donations. Texas is nothing like Louisiana, and the economic and funding situation is probably more favorable for North Texas, than it is for ULL.

Also, you don’t have to fund a baseball program so that frees up a lot of extra money.

(05-07-2019 09:43 PM)deb025 Wrote:  

(05-07-2019 06:16 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 10:50 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  If I was a UNT fan I would be praying Littrell is gone after this season. If not I predict we have another ULL and Hudspeth at UNT. A coach comes in gets a couple 9 win seasons after years of losing football and the school pays him more than they can afford to buyout if he loses....

then the coach cannot get over the hump or win the big games (hell after 3 seasons he hasn't yet) and before you know it the team is back to 6,5,3 wins and the school can't do anything about it.

What makes you think UNT wouldn't be able to afford his buyout? We are building and renovating facilities, and increasing ticket sales an donations. Texas is nothing like Louisiana, and the economic and funding situation is probably more favorable for North Texas, than it is for ULL.

Also, you don’t have to fund a baseball program so that frees up a lot of extra money.

And Rice & ODU don't sponsor softball. Every athletic department chooses which sports they play and at what level they want to fund them.

(05-07-2019 06:51 AM)Magic95Fan Wrote:  

(05-07-2019 06:38 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(04-09-2019 07:29 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Today it was reported by the North Texas AD that the university is close to signing the Mean Green's head football coach to a new extension. Seth Littrell has received a raise after every season since joining UNT. His current deal pays him $1.4 million a year and runs thru 2022.

I am curious on how this compares to SMU. Just from sheer enrollment numbers, I think North Texas is destined to someday overtake the Ponies.

Do you benchmark against SMU?

Im not sure we know how much SMU pays their staff. I dont ever remember hearing a number for Dykes after they hired him. We sure will overtake them again on the field this season though.

I agree. And in truth it doesn't matter what SMU spends anymore. We have reached a point where we can now pay competitive salaries with programs in every G5 conference. If we continue to mirror each other by building similar facilities, we will still come out ahead, simply based on our overwhelming size and location advantage. SMU is just to small and too close to the heart of the Dallas sports base, which goes crazy over the Cowboys.

I'd be a little more impressed with the UNT spending spree if it were on a baseball program.

(05-07-2019 06:16 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 10:50 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  If I was a UNT fan I would be praying Littrell is gone after this season. If not I predict we have another ULL and Hudspeth at UNT. A coach comes in gets a couple 9 win seasons after years of losing football and the school pays him more than they can afford to buyout if he loses....

then the coach cannot get over the hump or win the big games (hell after 3 seasons he hasn't yet) and before you know it the team is back to 6,5,3 wins and the school can't do anything about it.

What makes you think UNT wouldn't be able to afford his buyout? We are building and renovating facilities, and increasing ticket sales an donations. Texas is nothing like Louisiana, and the economic and funding situation is probably more favorable for North Texas, than it is for ULL.

More similar than you think. ULL started building, and doing work on their stadium, and raised their Head coach to a million a year and this was 2011 so that number would be around what UNT is paying compared to salaries in the G5 today. ULL had record attendance increases, from 17k to 29k and donations were also coming in in record numbers....oil money was flowing.

Then the winning decreased and with that real attendance and then the donations started dropping with oil prices. Ull was stuck with a coach making more than should be paying and a large contract they could not afford to dump. All for a coach that could not win the big game and starting to slide...

ULL had to ride it out for 3 or so years

I can see this possibly repeating at UNT with Seth Littrell a coach that has not shown the ability to win the conference or the big game. If he doesn't do it this season with a Sr 3 (or is it 4) year starting all conference QB. I dont see it happening.

The fact UNT is giving him a raise for a 5th place finish in CUSA and most likely a larger buyout. To me is something that has a 50% chance of bitting UNT in the ass. So as I said...I would hope like hell my coach is gone after this season.

(05-08-2019 08:01 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-07-2019 06:16 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 10:50 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  If I was a UNT fan I would be praying Littrell is gone after this season. If not I predict we have another ULL and Hudspeth at UNT. A coach comes in gets a couple 9 win seasons after years of losing football and the school pays him more than they can afford to buyout if he loses....

then the coach cannot get over the hump or win the big games (hell after 3 seasons he hasn't yet) and before you know it the team is back to 6,5,3 wins and the school can't do anything about it.

What makes you think UNT wouldn't be able to afford his buyout? We are building and renovating facilities, and increasing ticket sales an donations. Texas is nothing like Louisiana, and the economic and funding situation is probably more favorable for North Texas, than it is for ULL.

More similar than you think. ULL started building, and doing work on their stadium, and raised their Head coach to a million a year and this was 2011 so that number would be around what UNT is paying compared to salaries in the G5 today. ULL had record attendance increases, from 17k to 29k and donations were also coming in in record numbers....oil money was flowing.

Then the winning decreased and with that real attendance and then the donations started dropping with oil prices. Ull was stuck with a coach making more than should be paying and a large contract they could not afford to dump. All for a coach that could not win the big game and starting to slide...

ULL had to ride it out for 3 or so years

I can see this possibly repeating at UNT with Seth Littrell a coach that has not shown the ability to win the conference or the big game. If he doesn't do it this season with a Sr 3 (or is it 4) year starting all conference QB. I dont see it happening.

The fact UNT is giving him a raise for a 5th place finish in CUSA and most likely a larger buyout. To me is something that has a 50% chance of bitting UNT in the ass. So as I said...I would hope like hell my coach is gone after this season.

Texas and Louisiana are nothing alike. Louisiana is the 24th ranked economy in the United States. Texas is the 10 largest economy in the world. That places Texas ahead of Canada, Russia, and all but four countries in Europe. We have more business and industry here than just oil. We are not in the same position ULL was in.

Here is a new picture of our indoor practice facility that is currently being constructed. It should be finished by this upcoming season, if the rains will stop.

From the gomeangreen board.

clt worries that unt is the next ecu

Side Show Joe, one of us will be correct and possibly by the end of this season. Good coach but as I repeated hasn't shown he can win the important games. All with a qb that puts the team on his shoulders. I believe the 5(?) new asst coaches will also take its toll. Lose Fine after this season will be the real tell of...coach or all conference player with a huge heart.

(05-08-2019 06:11 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I'd be a little more impressed with the UNT spending spree if it were on a baseball program.

Nobody wants us to have a baseball team more than UNT fans, but it doesnt look like it's gonna happen for awhile. The new plan appears to be: Spend on the sports we have and get them all to a competitive place with the top of the G5. Then look at adding baseball and however many women's sports we would have to add to make it work with Title IX. If im not mistaken, we are already fielding teams in all of the women's sports in CUSA, so we would need to find a new conference home for any new sports.

I honestly don't think UNT has any intention of adding baseball. It's too easy to just keep pouring any extra cash into the football program. It gives UNT a competitive advantage in that sport. It stinks that there's no baseball, but I fully understand why there isn't.

(05-08-2019 11:03 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I honestly don't think UNT has any intention of adding baseball. It's too easy to just keep pouring any extra cash into the football program. It gives UNT a competitive advantage in that sport. It stinks that there's no baseball, but I fully understand why there isn't.

They have plans to add baseball as well as build new softball, basketball, swimming, etc facilities. However, many of these projects are probably a decade away unless money becomes available. Since we have no current baseball team and no baseball facility, it's probably last in line unless some big donations come in for it.

Track got a new facility first because the University needed the land from the old track. Softball will probably get a new stadium first because the AD has plans for their current location. A new basketball arena will probably come first because sharing our current arena with the University is not a good situation.

(05-09-2019 07:56 AM)NorthTexan95 Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 11:03 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I honestly don't think UNT has any intention of adding baseball. It's too easy to just keep pouring any extra cash into the football program. It gives UNT a competitive advantage in that sport. It stinks that there's no baseball, but I fully understand why there isn't.

They have plans to add baseball as well as build new softball, basketball, swimming, etc facilities. However, many of these projects are probably a decade away unless money becomes available. Since we have no current baseball team and no baseball facility, it's probably last in line unless some big donations come in for it.

Track got a new facility first because the University needed the land from the old track. Softball will probably get a new stadium first because the AD has plans for their current location. A new basketball arena will probably come first because sharing our current arena with the University is not a good situation.

I'm confused. Do you mean share with the city? I thought most universities share the basketball arena with volleyball, graduations and events and such.

(05-08-2019 11:03 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I honestly don't think UNT has any intention of adding baseball. It's too easy to just keep pouring any extra cash into the football program. It gives UNT a competitive advantage in that sport. It stinks that there's no baseball, but I fully understand why there isn't.

I agree. They want that competitive advantage. Their previous admin made a commitment to follow through with baseball. CUSA presidents voted UNT into the conference.

Now that there is a different AD, no mention of baseball. Time for the CUSA presidents to hold their feet to the fire.
It also says a lot about the ethics coming out Denton

I'm not sure how much of a competitive advantage it gives us not having baseball. Not a single school in CUSA fields all of the available sports. Like I said in an earlier post, we are maxed out in women's sports. One of the many parts of Title IX is that scholarships must be proportionate to school enrollment. UNT has a higher female student enrollment than male. Schools like Louisiana Tech have a higher male population and can devote a higher percentage of men's scholarships to the pool then UNT can. Every men's sport we add means adding more women's sports then other schools have to.

(05-09-2019 11:18 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 11:03 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I honestly don't think UNT has any intention of adding baseball. It's too easy to just keep pouring any extra cash into the football program. It gives UNT a competitive advantage in that sport. It stinks that there's no baseball, but I fully understand why there isn't.

I agree. They want that competitive advantage. Their previous admin made a commitment to follow through with baseball. CUSA presidents voted UNT into the conference.

Now that there is a different AD, no mention of baseball. Time for the CUSA presidents to hold their feet to the fire.
It also says a lot about the ethics coming out Denton

What advantage, NT sponsors 16 team sports, and it appears La Tech does the same.

How about NT adds baseball when La Tech adds women's swimming and golf.

At least NT didn't have to add women's bowling to be in compliance with the number of NCAA mandated teams.

There are a lot of NT fans who would love to add baseball, but NT's administration has stated in the past that is not going to happen until a competitive ball park can be constructed. That facility is in the long term plan, but a low priority.

My guess, is you have no evidence other than hearsay that NT ever agreed or was mandated to add baseball.

It is doubted any member of CUSA is going to be involved in making threats against another member concerning how they spend their money.

If La Tech is worried about NT advantage because NT doesn't field a baseball team. La Tech should just drop baseball and add men's bowling.

La Tech and NT have some great competitions and it is doubted either administration is concerned about this issue.