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(04-10-2019 08:58 AM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  If we want someone with proven recruiting chomps for 4 and 5 *s from "the list" its...

Thad Matta with a bad back or

Bryce Drew with an 0-18 SEC record last year.



So....

I don't recommend him but with his Indiana roots for recruiting I would prefer Steve Alford over Matta or Drew.

Posters are saying there are not many good choices out there. Fact is there are no sure things. In the universe of possibilities you just hope we pick one who wins for us. Right now Brannen and Nick would be high on my wish list and hope they get interviews. Maybe they will knock it out of the park or maybe someone else will win over Bohn.

(04-10-2019 09:24 AM)cincybb51 Wrote:  

(04-10-2019 08:58 AM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  If we want someone with proven recruiting chomps for 4 and 5 *s from "the list" its...

Thad Matta with a bad back or

Bryce Drew with an 0-18 SEC record last year.



So....

I don't recommend him but with his Indiana roots for recruiting I would prefer Steve Alford over Matta or Drew.

Posters are saying there are not many good choices out there. Fact is there are no sure things. In the universe of possibilities you just hope we pick one who wins for us. Right now Brannen and Nick would be high on my wish list and hope they get interviews. Maybe they will knock it out of the park or maybe someone else will win over Bohn.

Alford has never shown he can recruit as well as either and has never coached near the level of peak Thad Matta. With Thad it really depends on how ready he is to endure the grind of coaching. If he is ready to go full swing, he's an absolute homerun.

All one needs to do is look at the current stable of really good ncaa players and you'll quickly see that absent, Duke, Uk and Nc there are plenty of good players to go around who were not one and done's and took a while to develop. Rosters at 13 scholly's leaves an abundance of talent, but you have to develop it, and avoid big misses in recruiting. ie don't get guys who cannot contribute at all, who leave, etc. Mick got better with this as he went along. At a place like Uc, redshirts are a very useful tool. This stuff about not being able to recruit to the AAC only shows that some folks base more success to the recruiting season than the actual results on the court. You have to avoid the trap that Huggins got into here when he started to have issues. His last rosters were more a result of his reputation than anything the school was doing. He likely will not admit it, but the best thing that happened to him was getting canned. It refreshed his reputation.

(04-10-2019 08:19 AM)cincybb51 Wrote:  

(04-10-2019 07:02 AM)skyblade Wrote:  

(04-10-2019 02:17 AM)converrl Wrote:  

(04-09-2019 10:06 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(04-09-2019 07:28 PM)converrl Wrote:  I'll punch as many horses as it takes to get to a NC.

In the meantime you can sit home and fret about our "image".

We're done listening to your side--it got us over a decade of post-season mediocrity. It's time to start winning in the post-season again.

Hire a winner, pay him, and get the recruits in here.

NEVER HAPPENING - RECRUITING INTO THE AAC IS BAD NEWS. Cronin ran to UCLA because he can get any west coast kid he wants - lots of cash to buy talent. Hep will be the bag man.

Whoa...wait a minute...I thought Cronin was "Mr. Clean"? Now he's going to "buy" recruits?

Recruits follow the cred of the COACH in CBB. Cronin has no cred...he'll still have a tough time pulling talent until he actually DOES something in the post-season.

Recruiting to the AAC depends on the cred of the coach...that's why Penny is pulling 4 and 5 stars, as well as Sampson and Hurley.

Get a coach with cred and the recruits will follow. Works every time.

Sampson has gotten one 4-star (Nate Hinton) in his time at Houston. Marshall just pulled in his first ever 4 star, why isn't Wichita State filling with top recruits if it's all about coach cred? I don't think there's any debate (especially now that Cronin is gone) that Marshall is the best coach in the conference.

UConn got three 4-stars this year, but they are a historically great program with a pair of relatively recent tournament titles. And still no 5-star guys.

Memphis is the only team really blowing us out of the water in recruiting.

Depends on the service you are looking at; McDuffie was a four star for Marshall on the 247 boards. Mick did a great job here; but I really was disappointed in his 2018 class; we got very little this year out of the four players. Being that he could sell that they would be the first in the renovated arena I expected better. Yes in the long run one or more of the class may deliver for us. I really questioned the red shirting of two players; thought Hardnett maybe could have provided some front court scoring for us. Mick probably thought Fredericks, Diarra and Nsoseme were going to contribute more. While next year seemed promising if everyone returned; I really have doubts about the following season. Our 2020 recruiting class will be critical; wonder if Mick's doubts about it led to his decision to leave. Another reason is if Cumberland leaves then Mick's NCAA consecutive appearances streak probably would have been in serious jeopardy next season.

Hardnett is not really a front court player. He would not have gotten many minutes with Keith and JC really occupying his spot. Prince is the guy who has the inside game, but he's raw. Assuming he stays, he's the guy who should add some punch down low next year.

(04-10-2019 09:31 AM)dsquare Wrote:  

(04-10-2019 08:19 AM)cincybb51 Wrote:  

(04-10-2019 07:02 AM)skyblade Wrote:  

(04-10-2019 02:17 AM)converrl Wrote:  

(04-09-2019 10:06 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  NEVER HAPPENING - RECRUITING INTO THE AAC IS BAD NEWS. Cronin ran to UCLA because he can get any west coast kid he wants - lots of cash to buy talent. Hep will be the bag man.

Whoa...wait a minute...I thought Cronin was "Mr. Clean"? Now he's going to "buy" recruits?

Recruits follow the cred of the COACH in CBB. Cronin has no cred...he'll still have a tough time pulling talent until he actually DOES something in the post-season.

Recruiting to the AAC depends on the cred of the coach...that's why Penny is pulling 4 and 5 stars, as well as Sampson and Hurley.

Get a coach with cred and the recruits will follow. Works every time.

Sampson has gotten one 4-star (Nate Hinton) in his time at Houston. Marshall just pulled in his first ever 4 star, why isn't Wichita State filling with top recruits if it's all about coach cred? I don't think there's any debate (especially now that Cronin is gone) that Marshall is the best coach in the conference.

UConn got three 4-stars this year, but they are a historically great program with a pair of relatively recent tournament titles. And still no 5-star guys.

Memphis is the only team really blowing us out of the water in recruiting.

Depends on the service you are looking at; McDuffie was a four star for Marshall on the 247 boards. Mick did a great job here; but I really was disappointed in his 2018 class; we got very little this year out of the four players. Being that he could sell that they would be the first in the renovated arena I expected better. Yes in the long run one or more of the class may deliver for us. I really questioned the red shirting of two players; thought Hardnett maybe could have provided some front court scoring for us. Mick probably thought Fredericks, Diarra and Nsoseme were going to contribute more. While next year seemed promising if everyone returned; I really have doubts about the following season. Our 2020 recruiting class will be critical; wonder if Mick's doubts about it led to his decision to leave. Another reason is if Cumberland leaves then Mick's NCAA consecutive appearances streak probably would have been in serious jeopardy next season.

Hardnett is not really a front court player. He would not have gotten many minutes with Keith and JC really occupying his spot. Prince is the guy who has the inside game, but he's raw. Assuming he stays, he's the guy who should add some punch down low next year.

Seems like Cronin had started recruiting away from having a true power forward the last couple years. Maybe it's just a product of the game changing to rely more on three point shooting and ball handling. Hardnett and Prince both seem to be guard/forward tweeners with Prince a little more on the forward side and Hardnett a bit more of the guard side.

(04-09-2019 08:01 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  

(04-09-2019 07:33 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(04-09-2019 07:30 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  love the folks who think we should have a Harvard image.

Go root for Harvard.

Let's hire Pitino and get this ball rolling again..FINALLY

Yep, hell St. Johns (hence the "Saint") is looking at Pitino. They are looking for a return to glory. Why not us. Lets not F this up and make a lame hire.

If St. Johns hires Pitino, they will get some ribbing in the media for a week but a couple years later, it will be lauded as a brilliant hire after they are ranked and making deep March runs.

It just comes down to which school is willing to hire him first. Wherever he goes will keep him under a microscope, so he will keep his nose clean and finish his career on a high note.

Listening to Clay Travis the other day. Clay and his guest Petros were discussing the possibility of Pitino back as a college coach. They both loved the idea. Said school will have to put up with some ribbing from the media, however will be considered a top 10 team every year. Pitino will win.

My thought is that school needs to be comfortable with a guy who had a brothel on campus. That school also needs to make sure their closet is squeaky clean, because the NCAA will have them under a microscope.

(04-09-2019 06:13 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  The fact that Matta is even being discussed is that the haters just wanted to hate - and now they have zero alternative. A flash in the pan low mid-major coach, a criminal, or the old drunk.

Maybe Thad will run for Senate?

Can always count on Rag to bring sunshine and rainbows to the party. Just when I think this fan base might come back together someday, there are these type of posts.

(04-10-2019 11:08 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(04-09-2019 08:01 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  

(04-09-2019 07:33 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(04-09-2019 07:30 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  love the folks who think we should have a Harvard image.

Go root for Harvard.

Let's hire Pitino and get this ball rolling again..FINALLY

Yep, hell St. Johns (hence the "Saint") is looking at Pitino. They are looking for a return to glory. Why not us. Lets not F this up and make a lame hire.

If St. Johns hires Pitino, they will get some ribbing in the media for a week but a couple years later, it will be lauded as a brilliant hire after they are ranked and making deep March runs.

It just comes down to which school is willing to hire him first. Wherever he goes will keep him under a microscope, so he will keep his nose clean and finish his career on a high note.

Listening to Clay Travis the other day. Clay and his guest Petros were discussing the possibility of Pitino back as a college coach. They both loved the idea. Said school will have to put up with some ribbing from the media, however will be considered a top 10 team every year. Pitino will win.

My thought is that school needs to be comfortable with a guy who had a brothel on campus. That school also needs to make sure their closet is squeaky clean, because the NCAA will have them under a microscope.

This is a country that has a tendency to forgive and forget. Yes there will be some jokes, but in all honesty the dude is an elite coach. Do we really want to risk fading into mediocrity? Guarentee someone will pick Pitino up, and most likely have that school in the top 10 very shortly after. And everyone who passed will be kicking themselves.

Curious, but those wanting a big time recruiter why are some of you against Thad Matta? He had multiple top 10 classes at Ohio State. He was a much better recruiter than some are giving him credit for on here.

(04-11-2019 03:07 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  Curious, but those wanting a big time recruiter why are some of you against Thad Matta? He had multiple top 10 classes at Ohio State. He was a much better recruiter than some are giving him credit for on here.

I was never that impressed the job Matta did at either X or the other place he went after. He's showed himself to be a classless person the way he left X.

I'd rather have a younger, more energetic coach trying to prove himself.

(04-11-2019 03:07 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  Curious, but those wanting a big time recruiter why are some of you against Thad Matta? He had multiple top 10 classes at Ohio State. He was a much better recruiter than some are giving him credit for on here.

I'm not against him... but some insiders have made it clear that his back issues are making him a very unlikely candidate here. If that weren't the case, UCLA would have hired him long before Mick, Rick Barnes, or Jamie Dixon.

(04-09-2019 06:13 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  The fact that Matta is even being discussed is that the haters just wanted to hate - and now they have zero alternative. A flash in the pan low mid-major coach, a criminal, or the old drunk.

Maybe Thad will run for Senate?

If when you say “haters” you mean those of us that hate the one sweet 16 appearance in 13 seasons and multiple early flameouts with lame excuses then yes I’m a hater. I hated Mick Cronin‘s inability to win in March.

(04-10-2019 09:15 AM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(04-10-2019 09:13 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(04-10-2019 09:06 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  Drew is exciting and scary. Yea recruiting, but i always believe that losers always lose and he did a lot of losing last year. One catch is that sometimes you have to hit bottom to build it up with young studs.

He also won 4 Horizon league titles in 5 years and had Vandy in the tournament in 2017. The last two seasons are a black mark but he lost nearly everyone from the 2017 team and was clearly upgrading the talent.

I agree that he is probably the biggest combo of exciting and scary. The utter collapse this season losing every SEC game is brutal, but he has a winning track record prior to the last two seasons and has shown big time recruiting chops.

Too risky. He probably a good coach who just got into a bad situation, but he needs a mid major gig to re-establish his credibility.

(04-10-2019 09:18 AM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  

(04-10-2019 09:06 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  Drew is exciting and scary. Yea recruiting, but i always believe that losers always lose and he did a lot of losing last year. One catch is that sometimes you have to hit bottom to build it up with young studs.

^This is where I am with him.

He was a winner in the 1998 NCAAs and won at Valpo as HC . But yeah selling 0-18 to this fan base would be brutal. Maybe the AAC would be his wheelhouse between the Horizon and the SEC. The pedigree is there.

Agree with y'all. There's a lot to like about Drew, but that 0-18 is just a bridge too far at this point. If he couldn't sell his own administration that last year was just a necessary step to rebuilding, I don't see how you sell it to ours coming off all the Cronin victories.

(04-11-2019 03:32 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  

(04-11-2019 03:07 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  Curious, but those wanting a big time recruiter why are some of you against Thad Matta? He had multiple top 10 classes at Ohio State. He was a much better recruiter than some are giving him credit for on here.

I'm not against him... but some insiders have made it clear that his back issues are making him a very unlikely candidate here. If that weren't the case, UCLA would have hired him long before Mick, Rick Barnes, or Jamie Dixon.

Yea, would depend on his health and if he believes he is ready to return. I’ve just seen people saying no to Matta and even seen the reason sites as recruiting. I’d be fine with Matta, though he’s not my top choice.

(04-11-2019 03:49 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  

(04-11-2019 03:32 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  

(04-11-2019 03:07 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  Curious, but those wanting a big time recruiter why are some of you against Thad Matta? He had multiple top 10 classes at Ohio State. He was a much better recruiter than some are giving him credit for on here.

I'm not against him... but some insiders have made it clear that his back issues are making him a very unlikely candidate here. If that weren't the case, UCLA would have hired him long before Mick, Rick Barnes, or Jamie Dixon.

Yea, would depend on his health and if he believes he is ready to return. I’ve just seen people saying no to Matta and even seen the reason sites as recruiting. I’d be fine with Matta, though he’s not my top choice.

Oh definitely... if he were healthy, he'd probably be my top pick.

What The Matta Thad? NO THANKS!

(04-11-2019 05:40 PM)doss2 Wrote:  What The Matta Thad? NO THANKS!

If we pick a coach you don't approve of, are you staying away or will you be back in club seats at the Shoe no matter what now that Mick is gone?