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(04-10-2019 09:59 AM)TubaCat Wrote:  
(04-10-2019 08:19 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  UC hasn't been a bad offensive team in like 5 years.

Perhaps, but I guess that depends on your standards and what metric you use. Going off of Kenpom offense rankings:

2015: 94th
2016: 70th
2017: 34th
2018: 49th
2019: 42nd

While I don't consider 34th in itself to be "bad," the fact that it took multiple future NBA players to get us to our high water mark of 34th absolutely horrifying. Mick did nothing to get players in a position to score.

Looking at your stats, I'm surprised at the drop off from 2017 to 2018. That was senior year for Clark and Washington and Evans last year. I would expect it to be as good or better than 2017. Mind boggling!
 
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(04-10-2019 06:22 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  The thing I can't get out of my mind is that he's moving away from his daughter. It's definitely none of my business, but I keep putting myself in his shoes. Unless he's taking his ex-wife with him, I just can't wrap my mind around packing up and leaving my daughter behind. I'm sure it happens all the time in the business. Maybe I've just never known the details like I do with Mick.

I don't know about Mick, but I'm a divorced dad of two boys, who had to leave the immediate area they live in due to work...

It's hard. But the reality is that sometimes that's the way it is. Don't forget that, as kids grow up, the dynamics all change as well. My eldest is entering high school. He's planning on playing football...and basketball. Currently, I "get" them every-other-weekend. Care to guess what's going to happen starting in the fall when FB games are played on the weekends? But the reality is also that their "need" to see me is going to also decrease.

So, working out a new Custody/ "Parenting Plan" is unavoidable at this point. We'll probably move more to a "Fall/Spring Break" and a solid chunk of the summer arrangement, where I get more concentrated periods of time instead of days spread-out through the year. And, yes...child support is determined through a formula that is determined by "Amount of time in custody."

I'm guessing Mick is juggling all this as well. Sammy has to be what...16 or 17? Moving to LA probably isn't the same thing as when she was little. Not only that, in WV, the "age of decision," where the minor child can determine custody arrangement, is 14. Now, I confess that I have no knowledge of Ohio state law, but I'd guess that it is somewhat similar. So, maybe Mick and Sammy have had this conversation and she told him to "Go for it."
 
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RE: Cronin is gone
(04-10-2019 08:19 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(04-10-2019 08:18 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(04-10-2019 06:55 AM)Romell Shorter Wrote:  Very balanced article:

https://watchstadium.com/news/analyzing-...4-09-2019/

Interesting nugget:

His last six teams at Cincinnati ranked 328th or worse nationally in tempo. That pace resembles Virginia and Wisconsin more than the Showtime Lakers.

Former UCLA Coach Ben Howland, who took the Bruins to three straight Final Fours, coached teams ranked between No. 163 & No. 298 in tempo from 2006-12, so his teams played at a light jog compared to the crawl of the Cronin-era Bearcats.

“We will look for someone who plays a fun brand of basketball,” UCLA Athletic Director Dan Guerrero said in 2013 after Howland was fired, according to the L.A. Times. “We don’t want to bring in a coach who averages 50 points per game.”

I absolutely hate the comparisons being made between us and either Virginia or Wisconsin...why? Because both are normally quite efficient on the offensive end of the ball as well. You can't play a slow pace AND be a bad offensive team, because when you come up against a team that makes baskets (like we have each of the last, god, 5 tournaments), you'll get cooked with they get positive results on most of their possessions while we test the structural integrity of the rim and backboard.

UC hasn't been a bad offensive team in like 5 years.

They've been more than a few ticks below Virginia in all of those years though (save maybe the year after Anderson left UVA). All I'm saying is that Virginia/Wisconsin and Cincinnati are not apples to apples, because they had elite or borderline elite offenses along with their pace/defensive numbers.

Also, it just hit me that Alford got fired despite making 3 Sweet 16s in 5 years. What the hell is Mick thinking 03-lmfao I can't wait for the first "______is for the fans, I don't care about them" quote. Can't get away with that **** in a city like LA.
 
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(04-10-2019 11:14 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(04-10-2019 08:19 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(04-10-2019 08:18 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(04-10-2019 06:55 AM)Romell Shorter Wrote:  Very balanced article:

https://watchstadium.com/news/analyzing-...4-09-2019/

Interesting nugget:

His last six teams at Cincinnati ranked 328th or worse nationally in tempo. That pace resembles Virginia and Wisconsin more than the Showtime Lakers.

Former UCLA Coach Ben Howland, who took the Bruins to three straight Final Fours, coached teams ranked between No. 163 & No. 298 in tempo from 2006-12, so his teams played at a light jog compared to the crawl of the Cronin-era Bearcats.

“We will look for someone who plays a fun brand of basketball,” UCLA Athletic Director Dan Guerrero said in 2013 after Howland was fired, according to the L.A. Times. “We don’t want to bring in a coach who averages 50 points per game.”

I absolutely hate the comparisons being made between us and either Virginia or Wisconsin...why? Because both are normally quite efficient on the offensive end of the ball as well. You can't play a slow pace AND be a bad offensive team, because when you come up against a team that makes baskets (like we have each of the last, god, 5 tournaments), you'll get cooked with they get positive results on most of their possessions while we test the structural integrity of the rim and backboard.

UC hasn't been a bad offensive team in like 5 years.

They've been more than a few ticks below Virginia in all of those years though (save maybe the year after Anderson left UVA). All I'm saying is that Virginia/Wisconsin and Cincinnati are not apples to apples, because they had elite or borderline elite offenses along with their pace/defensive numbers.

Also, it just hit me that Alford got fired despite making 3 Sweet 16s in 5 years. What the hell is Mick thinking 03-lmfao

Seems like the LA media is getting behind Cronin at least for the time being.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/04/10/u...-are-over/

https://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-mic...story.html

Basically saying UCLA isn't what they once were, the job isn't as in demand as they think and Cronin will bring the toughness they've lacked and winning. That he will have much better recruits to work with at UCLA (and a worse conference) and that will make the difference. I bet he has about three years to make it to at least the sweet sixteen, but there's a pretty good chance he could do that.
 
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(04-10-2019 11:25 AM)skyblade Wrote:  Seems like the LA media is getting behind Cronin at least for the time being.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/04/10/u...-are-over/

https://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-mic...story.html

Basically saying UCLA isn't what they once were, the job isn't as in demand as they think and Cronin will bring the toughness they've lacked and winning. That he will have much better recruits to work with at UCLA (and a worse conference) and that will make the difference. I bet he has about three years to make it to at least the sweet sixteen, but there's a pretty good chance he could do that.

Especially if he can get Wooden's old bag man to come out of retirement and secure some highly ranked players.
 
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(04-10-2019 11:14 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Also, it just hit me that Alford got fired despite making 3 Sweet 16s in 5 years. What the hell is Mick thinking 03-lmfao I can't wait for the first "______is for the fans, I don't care about them" quote. Can't get away with that **** in a city like LA.

Alford had made 1 Sweet 16 before going to UCLA (he made a run as a 12 seed with SW Missouri St). You're telling me he figured out a way to win in March when he got to UCLA?
 
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(04-09-2019 09:06 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  
(04-09-2019 09:00 PM)converrl Wrote:  
(04-09-2019 08:58 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  
(04-09-2019 06:28 PM)doss2 Wrote:  
(04-09-2019 03:49 PM)converrl Wrote:  For your fraction of the fanbase perhaps.

If Huggins came back this would be the hottest ticket in town bar none. The place would be packed.
As good a coach as Hugs was/is his time has passed and as Thomas Wolfe wrote "You Can't Go Home Again"

Next man in.

Cronin is leaving the program in infinitely better condition than Huggins did - and in both cases this is the result of the coaches’ own doing.

Cronin is 100 times the man Huggins is, and Huggins does not deserve Cronin’s spot.

Cronin raised us from the ashes. He served us well. I wish him the best.. Thank you, Mick. Good luck in California.

Have you called Nancy to find out who our next coach should be?

What are her suggestions?

Cronin served the University well. I am thankful for what he gave us. Unlike his predecessor, Cronin is leaving the program in MUCH better condition than he found it. He is leaving with class, and not trying to dismantle the program on his way out the door.

Haven't heard from Nancy yet? Do you need her e-mail?
 
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(04-10-2019 12:27 PM)converrl Wrote:  
(04-09-2019 09:06 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  
(04-09-2019 09:00 PM)converrl Wrote:  
(04-09-2019 08:58 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  
(04-09-2019 06:28 PM)doss2 Wrote:  As good a coach as Hugs was/is his time has passed and as Thomas Wolfe wrote "You Can't Go Home Again"

Next man in.

Cronin is leaving the program in infinitely better condition than Huggins did - and in both cases this is the result of the coaches’ own doing.

Cronin is 100 times the man Huggins is, and Huggins does not deserve Cronin’s spot.

Cronin raised us from the ashes. He served us well. I wish him the best.. Thank you, Mick. Good luck in California.

Have you called Nancy to find out who our next coach should be?

What are her suggestions?

Cronin served the University well. I am thankful for what he gave us. Unlike his predecessor, Cronin is leaving the program in MUCH better condition than he found it. He is leaving with class, and not trying to dismantle the program on his way out the door.

Haven't heard from Nancy yet? Do you need her e-mail?
Give it up, dude. Maybe your post isn't deserving of a response.
 
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(04-10-2019 04:24 PM)crex043 Wrote:  
(04-10-2019 12:27 PM)converrl Wrote:  
(04-09-2019 09:06 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  
(04-09-2019 09:00 PM)converrl Wrote:  
(04-09-2019 08:58 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  Cronin is leaving the program in infinitely better condition than Huggins did - and in both cases this is the result of the coaches’ own doing.

Cronin is 100 times the man Huggins is, and Huggins does not deserve Cronin’s spot.

Cronin raised us from the ashes. He served us well. I wish him the best.. Thank you, Mick. Good luck in California.

Have you called Nancy to find out who our next coach should be?

What are her suggestions?

Cronin served the University well. I am thankful for what he gave us. Unlike his predecessor, Cronin is leaving the program in MUCH better condition than he found it. He is leaving with class, and not trying to dismantle the program on his way out the door.

Haven't heard from Nancy yet? Do you need her e-mail?
Give it up, dude. Maybe your post isn't deserving of a response.

Listen...SUC is typical of academic pinheads divorced from economic reality. This poster is so concerned with what others think of the institution that UC's historic academic significance is lost on him/her/it.

This is the kind of supporter who would rather go winless and watch the AD crumble as long as zero controversy results. SUC also values the opinion of a woman so weak that she bolted the instant an opportunity came along to avoid the PR nightmare that she and the BOT created. Z is nothing but an academic hack who'd prefer it if extracurriculars were banished from University life...especially men's revenue sports.

SUC worships this.

I'm an academic with an eye on reality and cash flow....I don't worry about it. I'd rather have the AD kick ass and take names, and put a product on the field that is FEARED, than cower at the idea of someone's low opinion of my institution based on the behavior of revenue sport athletes.

A coward dies a thousand deaths. A brave man only dies once.

Next coach will be selected with an emphasis on winning...period.

SUC and his pals can beat feet out of the fanbase as far as I'm concerned.

They'd be happier with Nancy at SUNY anyway.
 
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(04-10-2019 04:37 PM)converrl Wrote:  
(04-10-2019 04:24 PM)crex043 Wrote:  
(04-10-2019 12:27 PM)converrl Wrote:  
(04-09-2019 09:06 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  
(04-09-2019 09:00 PM)converrl Wrote:  Have you called Nancy to find out who our next coach should be?

What are her suggestions?

Cronin served the University well. I am thankful for what he gave us. Unlike his predecessor, Cronin is leaving the program in MUCH better condition than he found it. He is leaving with class, and not trying to dismantle the program on his way out the door.

Haven't heard from Nancy yet? Do you need her e-mail?
Give it up, dude. Maybe your post isn't deserving of a response.

Listen...SUC is typical of academic pinheads divorced from economic reality. This poster is so concerned with what others think of the institution that UC's historic academic significance is lost on him/her/it.

This is the kind of supporter who would rather go winless and watch the AD crumble as long as zero controversy results. SUC also values the opinion of a woman so weak that she bolted the instant an opportunity came along to avoid the PR nightmare that she and the BOT created. Z is nothing but an academic hack who'd prefer it if extracurriculars were banished from University life...especially men's revenue sports.

SUC worships this.

I'm an academic with an eye on reality and cash flow....I don't worry about it. I'd rather have the AD kick ass and take names, and put a product on the field that is FEARED, than cower at the idea of someone's low opinion of my institution based on the behavior of revenue sport athletes.

A coward dies a thousand deaths. A brave man only dies once.

Next coach will be selected with an emphasis on winning...period.

SUC and his pals can beat feet out of the fanbase as far as I'm concerned.

They'd be happier with Nancy at SUNY anyway.
You don't argue like an academic. You argue as if focusing on academics and focusing on athletics are mutually exclusive. Just because someone has a degree and cares about our academic reputation doesn't mean we don't want to succeed within the rules.

UC will be treated more like SMU than Louisville if something happens here, and hiring Pitino will only intensify the attention. It can be handled if we're keeping an eye on things, but I'm not in favor of selling everything out for athletics.
 
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Can't we all just get along?

Come one, come all to me, come get a hug. And if any of you are from BCJ, I have some salve for your chapped little bottoms. The world will turn.
 
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(04-10-2019 05:33 PM)crex043 Wrote:  
(04-10-2019 04:37 PM)converrl Wrote:  
(04-10-2019 04:24 PM)crex043 Wrote:  
(04-10-2019 12:27 PM)converrl Wrote:  
(04-09-2019 09:06 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  Cronin served the University well. I am thankful for what he gave us. Unlike his predecessor, Cronin is leaving the program in MUCH better condition than he found it. He is leaving with class, and not trying to dismantle the program on his way out the door.

Haven't heard from Nancy yet? Do you need her e-mail?
Give it up, dude. Maybe your post isn't deserving of a response.

Listen...SUC is typical of academic pinheads divorced from economic reality. This poster is so concerned with what others think of the institution that UC's historic academic significance is lost on him/her/it.

This is the kind of supporter who would rather go winless and watch the AD crumble as long as zero controversy results. SUC also values the opinion of a woman so weak that she bolted the instant an opportunity came along to avoid the PR nightmare that she and the BOT created. Z is nothing but an academic hack who'd prefer it if extracurriculars were banished from University life...especially men's revenue sports.

SUC worships this.

I'm an academic with an eye on reality and cash flow....I don't worry about it. I'd rather have the AD kick ass and take names, and put a product on the field that is FEARED, than cower at the idea of someone's low opinion of my institution based on the behavior of revenue sport athletes.

A coward dies a thousand deaths. A brave man only dies once.

Next coach will be selected with an emphasis on winning...period.

SUC and his pals can beat feet out of the fanbase as far as I'm concerned.

They'd be happier with Nancy at SUNY anyway.
You don't argue like an academic. You argue as if focusing on academics and focusing on athletics are mutually exclusive. Just because someone has a degree and cares about our academic reputation doesn't mean we don't want to succeed within the rules.

UC will be treated more like SMU than Louisville if something happens here, and hiring Pitino will only intensify the attention. It can be handled if we're keeping an eye on things, but I'm not in favor of selling everything out for athletics.

Again...you make my point...a University athletic department's reputation has little to nothing to do with the University academic reputation--they are separate entities.

Perhaps you recall a young man by the name of Allen Iverson at Georgetown. He was convicted of assault in 93 and served 5 years in prison. While at Georgetown he set several scoring records before leaving early to go to the NBA and play for the Sixers. Iverson's controversial recruitment and sketchy past had little impact on Georgetown's academic reputation. In fact, his time at Georgetown likely set the stage for future recruits with a high talent level who'd had run-ins with the law.

Enrollment in the Law School, the Medical School, the Business College, etc. was not negatively impacted, nor was it's national ranking. Just one of many examples of the academic and athletic side of a University being separate entities adhering to separate standards.

Same is true for UC.
 
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Mamoudou Diarra posted this to Twitter.

 
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(04-11-2019 06:28 AM)crex043 Wrote:  Mamoudou Diarra posted this to Twitter.


We can endlessly debate the talent level of the players Mick recruited but I never doubted that he got the most out of his guys. And I think he worked best with guys who had the desire and the will to improve their level of play.

If Mick draws the blue chip players to UCLA, and I believe he will since those four letters still command respect among recruits, he will face a very different challenge. Coaching guys who have been pampered since 8th grade and told how wonderful they are might prove more daunting than his player development model at UC was. I do wish him well. But I'm now focused 100% on moving forward with new leadership for UC.
 
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(04-11-2019 06:28 AM)crex043 Wrote:  Mamoudou Diarra posted this to Twitter.


We can endlessly debate the talent level of the players Mick recruited but I never doubted that he got the most out of his guys. And I think he worked best with guys who had the desire and the will to improve their level of play.

If Mick draws the blue chip players to UCLA, and I believe he will since those four letters still command respect among recruits, he will face a very different challenge. Coaching guys who have been pampered since 8th grade and told how wonderful they are might prove more daunting than his player development model at UC was. I do wish him well. But I'm now focused 100% on moving forward with new leadership for UC.
Agree. But everything I am reading about Cronin's coaching style leads me to believe we'll see new things out of the players he recruited under a new coach. And I think there is a good possibility that a lot of it will be positive.

Cronin was described as a "clenched fist" in how he coached the Bearcats. I think his players reflected that mentality, for better and for worse. The best coach will have an opportunity to build on our identity.
 
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(04-11-2019 06:28 AM)crex043 Wrote:  Mamoudou Diarra posted this to Twitter.


We can endlessly debate the talent level of the players Mick recruited but I never doubted that he got the most out of his guys. And I think he worked best with guys who had the desire and the will to improve their level of play.

If Mick draws the blue chip players to UCLA, and I believe he will since those four letters still command respect among recruits, he will face a very different challenge. Coaching guys who have been pampered since 8th grade and told how wonderful they are might prove more daunting than his player development model at UC was. I do wish him well. But I'm now focused 100% on moving forward with new leadership for UC.

Cronin recruited guys here who bought in and wanted to play his style. His first year at UCLA he's going to have to convince a bunch of pampered 5-stars who he didn't recruit to play his style.

It's definitely going to be a clash. If Cronin can get his players to buy in, UCLA could become great very fast. They have quite a few guys who could use toughening and strengthening (Moses Brown comes to mind). If he can't get the players to buy in though, Cronin could lose the confidence of the team and be out of UCLA within a year or two.
 
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(04-11-2019 08:04 AM)skyblade Wrote:  
(04-11-2019 07:28 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  
(04-11-2019 06:28 AM)crex043 Wrote:  Mamoudou Diarra posted this to Twitter.


We can endlessly debate the talent level of the players Mick recruited but I never doubted that he got the most out of his guys. And I think he worked best with guys who had the desire and the will to improve their level of play.

If Mick draws the blue chip players to UCLA, and I believe he will since those four letters still command respect among recruits, he will face a very different challenge. Coaching guys who have been pampered since 8th grade and told how wonderful they are might prove more daunting than his player development model at UC was. I do wish him well. But I'm now focused 100% on moving forward with new leadership for UC.

Cronin recruited guys here who bought in and wanted to play his style. His first year at UCLA he's going to have to convince a bunch of pampered 5-stars who he didn't recruit to play his style.

It's definitely going to be a clash. If Cronin can get his players to buy in, UCLA could become great very fast. They have quite a few guys who could use toughening and strengthening (Moses Brown comes to mind). If he can't get the players to buy in though, Cronin could lose the confidence of the team and be out of UCLA within a year or two.

Agreed. The biggest difference is going to be the players Cronin brought to UC didn't really have the options that a high rated recruit has with regard to transferring or choosing a different high echelon program. It's going to be real interesting to see how he well he recruits out there. That will dictate his success.
 
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