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(04-07-2019 11:20 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  The C7 would still associated with the football schools had Fox not come to them with a significant financial package for their content on their own. By the time their next TV deal negotiations come around, they will have enough of a track record on their own to continue earning a strong enough revenue distribution to remain the top non-football conference in the NCAA.

Disagree. After the 2011-12 wave of Big East expansion, there was nothing holding the league together except the prospect of a big fat TV contract, and games with UConn & Louisville. (Memphis, Temple, Cincinnati were replaceable with some combo of Xavier, Butler, Dayton, VCU, Creighton).

With no big fat TV contract in sight, we weren't going to do WORSE on our own than tied to the Aresco League schools.
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(04-08-2019 09:30 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Aresco significantly overvalued the desire of networks for major media markets, not to mention spreading out a conference footprint that spanned half the country.

The real do-over should have been in 2008 - in advance of the league's next TV deal - where the league should have acquired Memphis (which would have likely been accepted as a full member, due to national championship appearance under Calipari, and past histories with Louisville and Cincinnati) and East Carolina as a football-only (with certain benchmarks that could have elevated them into a full-member over time). If they were really forward-thinking, they would have also re-acquired Temple (football-only) and UCF (football-only, but with similar parameters with ECU) in order to get to twelve members and immediate stage a CCG (either in NYC or Philadelphia). The dynamics between the football programs and basketball programs, however, made expansion impossible.

How about in 2005? Add Memphis as a full member instead of USF, then add four FB-onlies: TCU, UCF, USF, and Navy.

Football divisions
East: Central Florida*, Connecticut, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, West Virginia
West: Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis, Navy*, South Florida*, TCU*

Basketball
Cincinnati, Connecticut, DePaul, Georgetown, Louisville, Marquette, Memphis, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Providence, Rutgers, Seton Hall, St. John's, Syracuse, Villanova, West Virginia
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(04-08-2019 12:19 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  How about in 2005? Add Memphis as a full member instead of USF, then add four FB-onlies: TCU, UCF, USF, and Navy.

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East: Central Florida*, Connecticut, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, West Virginia
West: Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis, Navy*, South Florida*, TCU*

Add too many lower-level schools at once, and you're not elevating the new guys, you're downgrading the left-behind schools. In the lineup above, only Pitt, Syracuse, West Virginia and maybe Navy count as major football programs at the time. Everyone else is right out of CUSA (or UConn out of FCS).
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(04-08-2019 09:30 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Aresco significantly overvalued the desire of networks for major media markets, not to mention spreading out a conference footprint that spanned half the country.

The real do-over should have been in 2008 - in advance of the league's next TV deal - where the league should have acquired Memphis (which would have likely been accepted as a full member, due to national championship appearance under Calipari, and past histories with Louisville and Cincinnati) and East Carolina as a football-only (with certain benchmarks that could have elevated them into a full-member over time). If they were really forward-thinking, they would have also re-acquired Temple (football-only) and UCF (football-only, but with similar parameters with ECU) in order to get to twelve members and immediate stage a CCG (either in NYC or Philadelphia). The dynamics between the football programs and basketball programs, however, made expansion impossible.

I agree with this, the Big East should have added them along with their two rivals Louisville and Cincy instead of adding an upstart USF program thats been surpassed by it's sister school it left behind.
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(04-08-2019 03:43 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(04-08-2019 12:19 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  How about in 2005? Add Memphis as a full member instead of USF, then add four FB-onlies: TCU, UCF, USF, and Navy.

Football divisions
East: Central Florida*, Connecticut, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, West Virginia
West: Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis, Navy*, South Florida*, TCU*

Add too many lower-level schools at once, and you're not elevating the new guys, you're downgrading the left-behind schools. In the lineup above, only Pitt, Syracuse, West Virginia and maybe Navy count as major football programs at the time. Everyone else is right out of CUSA (or UConn out of FCS).

Fair point, but I don't see adding the extra schools a mere 3 years later as being all that different.
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(04-08-2019 12:19 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(04-08-2019 09:30 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Aresco significantly overvalued the desire of networks for major media markets, not to mention spreading out a conference footprint that spanned half the country.

The real do-over should have been in 2008 - in advance of the league's next TV deal - where the league should have acquired Memphis (which would have likely been accepted as a full member, due to national championship appearance under Calipari, and past histories with Louisville and Cincinnati) and East Carolina as a football-only (with certain benchmarks that could have elevated them into a full-member over time). If they were really forward-thinking, they would have also re-acquired Temple (football-only) and UCF (football-only, but with similar parameters with ECU) in order to get to twelve members and immediate stage a CCG (either in NYC or Philadelphia). The dynamics between the football programs and basketball programs, however, made expansion impossible.

How about in 2005? Add Memphis as a full member instead of USF, then add four FB-onlies: TCU, UCF, USF, and Navy.

Football divisions
East: Central Florida*, Connecticut, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, West Virginia
West: Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis, Navy*, South Florida*, TCU*

Replace Pitt, Rutgers, Syracuse, Louisville with Temple, Baylor, Iowa State, and Kansas State and you may be looking at the Big 12 in a couple years. They could end up together anyways.
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I agonize over whether the Big East could have hung together at that point. They'd need one more football affiliate and a full member who is a private basketball schools. ECU could be the affiliate and either Butler or Xavier. If they were willing to forego a football CCG they wouldn't even need the football affiliate. After the Big 12 got the CCG rules changed they might then reevaluate their fb situation and go ahead and add that fb affiliate.

For the Catholic 7 they would have needed to weigh the perks of a double round robin among themselves and a conference model where each year they'd have a 2 game road trip to either Texas or Florida. On one hand, they saw those trips as playing inferior programs but those trips might have been good for recruiting and exposure.

I guess it all comes down to money. If a network would have given that group of 16 a decent tv deal they probably would have stuck together.
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(04-08-2019 11:42 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(04-07-2019 11:20 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  The C7 would still associated with the football schools had Fox not come to them with a significant financial package for their content on their own. By the time their next TV deal negotiations come around, they will have enough of a track record on their own to continue earning a strong enough revenue distribution to remain the top non-football conference in the NCAA.

Disagree. After the 2011-12 wave of Big East expansion, there was nothing holding the league together except the prospect of a big fat TV contract, and games with UConn & Louisville. (Memphis, Temple, Cincinnati were replaceable with some combo of Xavier, Butler, Dayton, VCU, Creighton).

With no big fat TV contract in sight, we weren't going to do WORSE on our own than tied to the Aresco League schools.

Well, the only thing I would push back on is that this period was full of uncertainty. There were definitely rumors/reports of the C7 even possibly aligning with the A10 - and there was no way that the TV revenue/exposure with that deal would have been enough to provide more value than continuing the partnership with football schools under the Big East banner. Had Fox not got involved, it is likely the ball never would have got moving with the necessary push for the C7 leadership to decide "now is the time" to split. But who knows.
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(04-08-2019 09:10 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I agonize over whether the Big East could have hung together at that point. They'd need one more football affiliate and a full member who is a private basketball schools. ECU could be the affiliate and either Butler or Xavier. If they were willing to forego a football CCG they wouldn't even need the football affiliate. After the Big 12 got the CCG rules changed they might then reevaluate their fb situation and go ahead and add that fb affiliate.

For the Catholic 7 they would have needed to weigh the perks of a double round robin among themselves and a conference model where each year they'd have a 2 game road trip to either Texas or Florida. On one hand, they saw those trips as playing inferior programs but those trips might have been good for recruiting and exposure.

I guess it all comes down to money. If a network would have given that group of 16 a decent tv deal they probably would have stuck together.

The Big East, at this stage, was essentially two separate conferences under one banner. The Football schools could have invited whomever they wanted as football-affiliates, but schools coming into that situation obviously had hurdles with Olympic sports - both in the near-term and short-term. For the basketball side, the C7 (and Notre Dame) had to vote any new basketball/Olympic program in, and they were always fearful of causing harm/damage to the basketball brand with new members that could, potentially, water-down the product.

TCU's acceptance as a full-member always intrigued me. In 2010, when they were voted in as a full member, they had not been to an NCAA Tournament since 1998, and they had not been to a Sweet 16 since 1968. Obviously, they were added for the strength of their football program - but what prompted the C7 (and Notre Dame) to allow for full membership (especially given public concerns over other programs like UCF and Tulane)? Ultimately, they did the same for SMU and Houston (who similarly had noted struggles in men's basketball). By the time Louisville/Rutgers left (and ND), I think it was past the point of no return.
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Just want to add to GoldenWarrior's comments....

In Sept-Oct 2012 we lost Notre Dame.
Around Thanksgiving, we lost Louisville (and Rutgers).
At that point only 2 teams remained that we had any connection with, UConn and Cincinnati (and USF).

If UConn and Cincinnati were guaranteed to stay, there was still the possibility that the C-7 would stick around. But in early December, UConn and Cincy were campaigning openly for a P5 invite with Powerpoints and open begging. The thought was that there was a good probability that soon that those two would leave too (for a 16th ACC school or Big XII going to 12).

And then Fox offered us another path, so we took it instead of waiting for the last two dominoes to fall. It's a completely sensible decision though it was full of risks.
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(04-08-2019 12:19 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(04-08-2019 09:30 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Aresco significantly overvalued the desire of networks for major media markets, not to mention spreading out a conference footprint that spanned half the country.

The real do-over should have been in 2008 - in advance of the league's next TV deal - where the league should have acquired Memphis (which would have likely been accepted as a full member, due to national championship appearance under Calipari, and past histories with Louisville and Cincinnati) and East Carolina as a football-only (with certain benchmarks that could have elevated them into a full-member over time). If they were really forward-thinking, they would have also re-acquired Temple (football-only) and UCF (football-only, but with similar parameters with ECU) in order to get to twelve members and immediate stage a CCG (either in NYC or Philadelphia). The dynamics between the football programs and basketball programs, however, made expansion impossible.

How about in 2005? Add Memphis as a full member instead of USF, then add four FB-onlies: TCU, UCF, USF, and Navy.

Football divisions
East: Central Florida*, Connecticut, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, West Virginia
West: Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis, Navy*, South Florida*, TCU*

Basketball
Cincinnati, Connecticut, DePaul, Georgetown, Louisville, Marquette, Memphis, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Providence, Rutgers, Seton Hall, St. John's, Syracuse, Villanova, West Virginia

I mean, to what end? Adding more Conference USA schools earlier wouldn't have changed the long-term outcome.

The inherent problem the middle two versions of the Big East had was that college football just doesn't matter all that much in the Northeast, and so you didn't have that anchor program to keep the league together - Miami and Virginia Tech were always going to head to the ACC eventually because of simple geography, while Penn State (because they get bandied about as some lost savior) was always going to choose Michigan, Michigan State, and Ohio State over Syracuse, BC, and Rutgers. The whole reason they went with the 8/8 split in version 3 was because everyone knew where things were headed back in the 90s and it would let both sides establish the necessary continuity.
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(04-09-2019 09:18 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(04-08-2019 09:10 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I agonize over whether the Big East could have hung together at that point. They'd need one more football affiliate and a full member who is a private basketball schools. ECU could be the affiliate and either Butler or Xavier. If they were willing to forego a football CCG they wouldn't even need the football affiliate. After the Big 12 got the CCG rules changed they might then reevaluate their fb situation and go ahead and add that fb affiliate.

For the Catholic 7 they would have needed to weigh the perks of a double round robin among themselves and a conference model where each year they'd have a 2 game road trip to either Texas or Florida. On one hand, they saw those trips as playing inferior programs but those trips might have been good for recruiting and exposure.

I guess it all comes down to money. If a network would have given that group of 16 a decent tv deal they probably would have stuck together.

The Big East, at this stage, was essentially two separate conferences under one banner. The Football schools could have invited whomever they wanted as football-affiliates, but schools coming into that situation obviously had hurdles with Olympic sports - both in the near-term and short-term. For the basketball side, the C7 (and Notre Dame) had to vote any new basketball/Olympic program in, and they were always fearful of causing harm/damage to the basketball brand with new members that could, potentially, water-down the product.

TCU's acceptance as a full-member always intrigued me. In 2010, when they were voted in as a full member, they had not been to an NCAA Tournament since 1998, and they had not been to a Sweet 16 since 1968. Obviously, they were added for the strength of their football program - but what prompted the C7 (and Notre Dame) to allow for full membership (especially given public concerns over other programs like UCF and Tulane)? Ultimately, they did the same for SMU and Houston (who similarly had noted struggles in men's basketball). By the time Louisville/Rutgers left (and ND), I think it was past the point of no return.

I think there was a lot of fatigue among the basketball schools regarding requests for the sake of the football schools:

In 1991 they had to accept Miami
In 1995 they had to accept WVU and Rutgers
In 2000 they had to accept VT
In 2005 they had to accept USF
In 2010 they had to accept TCU (although it never came to pass)
In 2011-2012 they were now being asked to accept UCF, Houston, SMU, Memphis, Temple and now TULANE as full members. It simply became too much for to to bear.
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(04-09-2019 08:31 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(04-08-2019 12:19 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(04-08-2019 09:30 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Aresco significantly overvalued the desire of networks for major media markets, not to mention spreading out a conference footprint that spanned half the country.

The real do-over should have been in 2008 - in advance of the league's next TV deal - where the league should have acquired Memphis (which would have likely been accepted as a full member, due to national championship appearance under Calipari, and past histories with Louisville and Cincinnati) and East Carolina as a football-only (with certain benchmarks that could have elevated them into a full-member over time). If they were really forward-thinking, they would have also re-acquired Temple (football-only) and UCF (football-only, but with similar parameters with ECU) in order to get to twelve members and immediate stage a CCG (either in NYC or Philadelphia). The dynamics between the football programs and basketball programs, however, made expansion impossible.

How about in 2005? Add Memphis as a full member instead of USF, then add four FB-onlies: TCU, UCF, USF, and Navy.

Football divisions
East: Central Florida*, Connecticut, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, West Virginia
West: Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis, Navy*, South Florida*, TCU*

Basketball
Cincinnati, Connecticut, DePaul, Georgetown, Louisville, Marquette, Memphis, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Providence, Rutgers, Seton Hall, St. John's, Syracuse, Villanova, West Virginia

I mean, to what end? Adding more Conference USA schools earlier wouldn't have changed the long-term outcome.

The inherent problem the middle two versions of the Big East had was that college football just doesn't matter all that much in the Northeast, and so you didn't have that anchor program to keep the league together - Miami and Virginia Tech were always going to head to the ACC eventually because of simple geography, while Penn State (because they get bandied about as some lost savior) was always going to choose Michigan, Michigan State, and Ohio State over Syracuse, BC, and Rutgers. The whole reason they went with the 8/8 split in version 3 was because everyone knew where things were headed back in the 90s and it would let both sides establish the necessary continuity.

For a CCG, obviously. Still wouldn't have prevented an eventual split, but it's not as though they knew there would be a split at the time anyway.
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(04-09-2019 09:10 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  For a CCG, obviously. Still wouldn't have prevented an eventual split, but it's not as though they knew there would be a split at the time anyway.

Oh, they knew a split was coming - wanting to stick with Pitt/BC/Cuse is why UConn moved their football up, not out of a desire to keep the league together. As far as a CCG goes - why? You're adding an entire division with no history or connection to the previously-existing conference. It doesn't solve any problem the league had.
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(04-09-2019 10:50 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(04-09-2019 09:10 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  For a CCG, obviously. Still wouldn't have prevented an eventual split, but it's not as though they knew there would be a split at the time anyway.

Oh, they knew a split was coming - wanting to stick with Pitt/BC/Cuse is why UConn moved their football up, not out of a desire to keep the league together. As far as a CCG goes - why? You're adding an entire division with no history or connection to the previously-existing conference. It doesn't solve any problem the league had.

I never said it was a good idea. 03-wink
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I think it’s too simplistic to look back at the Big East and with the benefit of hindsight wag your disapproving finger and say that they should not have expanded like they did or split off like they did.

I certainly understand why there’s a temptation to do that, but I don’t think it is fair or intellectually honest.

By the time the Big East finally broke up for good, the marriage was long over between the Catholic schools and the non-Catholic schools. It was long overdue and it was the best decision for all sides. The lone exception may - MAY - be UConn.

I will say that I thought they were over-expanding at the time so I don’t really have a huge problem with people saying that adding schools like Tulane and Tulsa was a bit on the aggressive side.

However, they were trying to shore up a delegation and make sure that they had some stability. I completely understand why they did it, I just personally wasn’t completely sold on it.

That said, I think the American has done a really nice job over the past few years - especially in football. I think they could probably do a little bit better in men’s basketball, but they appear to be on the right track there as well. Right now, it seems to me that the Big East is better than the American in hoops. However, when you look at the roster of American schools, they definitely have an opportunity to at least match what the Big East can offer.

Houston was excellent this year and SMU has been pretty good in recent years too. Memphis is a historically outstanding program and Cincinnati is too. UC needs to make a good hire to replace Cronin, who is an excellent coach, IMHO. However, the key is Connecticut. If they can get back to becoming anything close to what they were for a long time under Calhoun, everything else will fall into place for the AAC. That’s obviously a big if — in fact, it is a huge IF — but they could definitely do it.

As for football, that conference has a viable opportunity to one day be considered at the very least a tweener, mid-major type of conference, rather than a non-power conference. Honestly, I see that is their floor. I think they’re already seen as being separate from the rest of the gang of five. Also, with some luck and some diligence and some sustained excellence, they absolutely could one day be considered a major conference. They are obviously not there yet and they need to improve their league-wide facilities. However, they could definitely get there.
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Honest question (that I don't remember the answer to): Was Tulane a replacement for Rutgers or Notre Dame?

Notre Dame left in September, Rutgers in November and Tulane was brought in immediately after Rutgers left. If Tulane was a replacement for Notre Dame I can see that being the final straw for the C7/Big East, but as a replacement for Rutgers, kind of a draw, basketball and olympic sports wise, and a slight improvement on the academic side.
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(04-15-2019 03:24 PM)megadrone Wrote:  Honest question (that I don't remember the answer to): Was Tulane a replacement for Rutgers or Notre Dame?

Notre Dame left in September, Rutgers in November and Tulane was brought in immediately after Rutgers left. If Tulane was a replacement for Notre Dame I can see that being the final straw for the C7/Big East, but as a replacement for Rutgers, kind of a draw, basketball and olympic sports wise, and a slight improvement on the academic side.

If I remember correctly, Tulane (all sports) and East Carolina (football only) were the replacements for Rutgers and Louisville and were announced the same day. Although Tulane has better academics than most of the C7, they were unfairly used as a scapegoat to justify breaking up with the Big East. They thought Tulane basketball was going to dilute basketball and it was the reason ECU was told to look somewhere else (likely the CAA) to park basketball and the Olympic sports.
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(04-09-2019 09:10 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(04-09-2019 08:31 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(04-08-2019 12:19 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(04-08-2019 09:30 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Aresco significantly overvalued the desire of networks for major media markets, not to mention spreading out a conference footprint that spanned half the country.

The real do-over should have been in 2008 - in advance of the league's next TV deal - where the league should have acquired Memphis (which would have likely been accepted as a full member, due to national championship appearance under Calipari, and past histories with Louisville and Cincinnati) and East Carolina as a football-only (with certain benchmarks that could have elevated them into a full-member over time). If they were really forward-thinking, they would have also re-acquired Temple (football-only) and UCF (football-only, but with similar parameters with ECU) in order to get to twelve members and immediate stage a CCG (either in NYC or Philadelphia). The dynamics between the football programs and basketball programs, however, made expansion impossible.

How about in 2005? Add Memphis as a full member instead of USF, then add four FB-onlies: TCU, UCF, USF, and Navy.

Football divisions
East: Central Florida*, Connecticut, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, West Virginia
West: Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis, Navy*, South Florida*, TCU*

Basketball
Cincinnati, Connecticut, DePaul, Georgetown, Louisville, Marquette, Memphis, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Providence, Rutgers, Seton Hall, St. John's, Syracuse, Villanova, West Virginia

I mean, to what end? Adding more Conference USA schools earlier wouldn't have changed the long-term outcome.

The inherent problem the middle two versions of the Big East had was that college football just doesn't matter all that much in the Northeast, and so you didn't have that anchor program to keep the league together - Miami and Virginia Tech were always going to head to the ACC eventually because of simple geography, while Penn State (because they get bandied about as some lost savior) was always going to choose Michigan, Michigan State, and Ohio State over Syracuse, BC, and Rutgers. The whole reason they went with the 8/8 split in version 3 was because everyone knew where things were headed back in the 90s and it would let both sides establish the necessary continuity.

For a CCG, obviously. Still wouldn't have prevented an eventual split, but it's not as though they knew there would be a split at the time anyway.

Yes, they did.

That is why you had eight football schools and eight "basketball" schools (including ND).

That is also why the football schools had a "get out of jail free card" wherein they could have split and left at any time (which went unused).
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RE: Big East Rewind
(04-15-2019 03:53 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  
(04-15-2019 03:24 PM)megadrone Wrote:  Honest question (that I don't remember the answer to): Was Tulane a replacement for Rutgers or Notre Dame?

Notre Dame left in September, Rutgers in November and Tulane was brought in immediately after Rutgers left. If Tulane was a replacement for Notre Dame I can see that being the final straw for the C7/Big East, but as a replacement for Rutgers, kind of a draw, basketball and olympic sports wise, and a slight improvement on the academic side.

If I remember correctly, Tulane (all sports) and East Carolina (football only) were the replacements for Rutgers and Louisville and were announced the same day. Although Tulane has better academics than most of the C7, they were unfairly used as a scapegoat to justify breaking up with the Big East. They thought Tulane basketball was going to dilute basketball and it was the reason ECU was told to look somewhere else (likely the CAA) to park basketball and the Olympic sports.

Tulane has been nothing but a 300 ton anchor on AAC basketball. That wasn’t an unfair reason at all for the C7 to leave. The teams they were fine with prior to Tulane have all had at least a couple solid seasons. Swapping Louisville and Rutgers for Tulane was the last straw.

Before that happened this was the basketball members of the conference. Not great but not something you’d break from. After however not so much.

Louisville
UConn
Cincy
Temple
Memphis
Rutgers
Houston
SMU
USF
UCF
(This post was last modified: 04-15-2019 05:53 PM by zoocrew.)
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