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(04-10-2019 09:57 AM)YNot Wrote:  I did a quick look at the records over the last 3 years for these Power G5 programs against P5 opponents and against each other.

Why three years?
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(04-06-2019 01:36 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I don't believe any of the G5 conferences is close to being a Power Conference. Even though the AAC is clearly the best G5, they are not going to get a automatic New Year's Day tie, like the P5 have. Plus, the AAC carries too many bad programs. But, I do believe there are a couple Power Programs within the G5, that can play against any P5 program in the country. And, I think their are a few G5 programs that are close to becoming G5 Power Programs.

When I looked at the programs from every G5 conference, the programs I identified as Power Programs and those closing in on becoming one, have a very different way of operating. This is a team by team explanation of what I found and why I classify these programs as Power Programs.

G5 Power Programs

UCF
81% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$56 Million Athletic Budget
43,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

BYU
51% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
Athletic Budget is not available, but must be high
52,000 Attendance average in 2018
Indy schedule is loaded with P5 game both home and away

Emerging G5 Power Programs

USF
74% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$49 Million Athletic Budget
38,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

San Diego St.
70% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$51 Million Athletic Budget
31,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

Houston
63% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$57 Million Athletic Budget
29,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs or BYU)

Cincinnati
51% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$62 Million Athletic Budget
30,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

Boise State
78% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$45 Million Athletic Budget
33,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

These are the programs I believe the rest of the G5 needs to be chasing.

What are the athletic budget, attendance numbers and OOC scheduling philosophies for Memphis, ECU, Fresno St., and Colorado St.?

Just looking at 2017 attendance numbers and the last 3 years of OOC schedules, I might include those 4 in the "emerging" category.

ECU
2017 attendance = 36,727
P5 opponents- last 3 years: 7 (without any bowl games v. P5)

Memphis
2017 attendance = 36,302
P5 opponents- last 3 years: 6

Colorado St.
2017 attendance = 32,062
P5 opponents- last 3 years: 8 (without any bowl games v. P5)

Fresno St.
2017 attendance = 30,632
P5 opponents- last 3 years: 6

Temple
2017 attendance = 27,318
P5 opponents- last 3 years: 6
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(04-10-2019 09:59 AM)McKinney Wrote:  
(04-10-2019 09:57 AM)YNot Wrote:  I did a quick look at the records over the last 3 years for these Power G5 programs against P5 opponents and against each other.

Why three years?

The OP looked at overall winning percentage the last 3 years...and I could get it done in 10 minutes. :)
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(04-06-2019 06:36 PM)McKinney Wrote:  
(04-06-2019 05:39 PM)prisonmike Wrote:  I think this is a very interesting concept. In my observations there are 3 main things P5 Univeristy Presidents look at when evaluating expansion candidates (G5 Power Programs)
1. University Endowment
2. Athletic Budget
3. Football Attendance (Fan support)
Endowment really shouldn't play a role in athletics. In some extreme cases, it may, but it should be used as a buffer against changes in economic factors as well as funding line items core to the university's mission (endowed chairs, low-income access, etc.). It's also used in a pissing match context, which I guess is what you're getting at here, but I digress.

An endowment criteria creates a near insurmountable barrier for younger schools. Big endowments come from accumulating and investing donations over time. So there's not much a young school can do to catch up with a school that has a 100 year head start on building it's endowment

Can someone explain how endowment is applicable to football power status? I'm not aware of any programs who use their endowment to pay for athletics expenses. Seems like it's just something that schools with big endowments use to separate themselves from those that don't.

Who would you rather go into business with: a rich trust fund kid or a middle class entrepreneur? Sure, the trust fund kid isn't going to go bankrupt if your joint venture fails, but how does that help you succeed?
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(04-10-2019 10:08 AM)YNot Wrote:  
(04-06-2019 01:36 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I don't believe any of the G5 conferences is close to being a Power Conference. Even though the AAC is clearly the best G5, they are not going to get a automatic New Year's Day tie, like the P5 have. Plus, the AAC carries too many bad programs. But, I do believe there are a couple Power Programs within the G5, that can play against any P5 program in the country. And, I think their are a few G5 programs that are close to becoming G5 Power Programs.

When I looked at the programs from every G5 conference, the programs I identified as Power Programs and those closing in on becoming one, have a very different way of operating. This is a team by team explanation of what I found and why I classify these programs as Power Programs.

G5 Power Programs

UCF
81% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$56 Million Athletic Budget
43,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

BYU
51% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
Athletic Budget is not available, but must be high
52,000 Attendance average in 2018
Indy schedule is loaded with P5 game both home and away

Emerging G5 Power Programs

USF
74% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$49 Million Athletic Budget
38,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

San Diego St.
70% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$51 Million Athletic Budget
31,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

Houston
63% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$57 Million Athletic Budget
29,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs or BYU)

Cincinnati
51% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$62 Million Athletic Budget
30,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

Boise State
78% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$45 Million Athletic Budget
33,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

These are the programs I believe the rest of the G5 needs to be chasing.

What are the athletic budget, attendance numbers and OOC scheduling philosophies for Memphis, ECU, Fresno St., and Colorado St.?

Just looking at 2017 attendance numbers and the last 3 years of OOC schedules, I might include those 4 in the "emerging" category.

ECU
2017 attendance = 36,727
P5 opponents- last 3 years: 7 (without any bowl games v. P5)

Memphis
2017 attendance = 36,302
P5 opponents- last 3 years: 6

Colorado St.
2017 attendance = 32,062
P5 opponents- last 3 years: 8 (without any bowl games v. P5)

Fresno St.
2017 attendance = 30,632
P5 opponents- last 3 years: 6

Temple
2017 attendance = 27,318
P5 opponents- last 3 years: 6

Imagine what ECU will be once things turn around. I rode my bike by the stadium yesterday and the renovations are impressive to say the least. IF we can turn it around this season I think a lot of people are gonna be shocked to see what a packed DFS looks like on TV. It's a better stadium and atmosphere than more than 1/2 the P5. As bad as things have been for us Pirate fans, the future still looks bright and the ability to shine is there. Like all of Pirate nation, I really love the new staff and fixing our football woes will be huge for perception.

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Here's a video that shows what the atmosphere was like before the recent suckage. Imagine what it will be like now that the renovations are set to be complete in 2 months.



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(04-10-2019 12:52 PM)MechaKnight Wrote:  
(04-06-2019 06:36 PM)McKinney Wrote:  
(04-06-2019 05:39 PM)prisonmike Wrote:  I think this is a very interesting concept. In my observations there are 3 main things P5 Univeristy Presidents look at when evaluating expansion candidates (G5 Power Programs)
1. University Endowment
2. Athletic Budget
3. Football Attendance (Fan support)
Endowment really shouldn't play a role in athletics. In some extreme cases, it may, but it should be used as a buffer against changes in economic factors as well as funding line items core to the university's mission (endowed chairs, low-income access, etc.). It's also used in a pissing match context, which I guess is what you're getting at here, but I digress.

An endowment criteria creates a near insurmountable barrier for younger schools. Big endowments come from accumulating and investing donations over time. So there's not much a young school can do to catch up with a school that has a 100 year head start on building it's endowment

Can someone explain how endowment is applicable to football power status? I'm not aware of any programs who use their endowment to pay for athletics expenses. Seems like it's just something that schools with big endowments use to separate themselves from those that don't.

Who would you rather go into business with: a rich trust fund kid or a middle class entrepreneur? Sure, the trust fund kid isn't going to go bankrupt if your joint venture fails, but how does that help you succeed?

in 2017 dem coogs doh spent $17,609,027 in schools funds EXCLUDING student fees that were another $8+ million

dem coogs doh have about a $650 million dollar endowment

in Texas state funds cannot be spent on athletics (that is not the case in all states)

money is still "fungible" though so you can still account for things as you wish

without state funds and without grant money (that does not go to athletics) that leaves athletics income and student tuition (exclusive of the additional student athletics fee)

and often some endowment monies are directed to specific uses as well, but sometimes it is not and sometimes depending on how the money was specified to be used when donated a school can end up with endowment money through long term growth that is not specified for a particular use

IE someone donated $1 million for a professorship and specifies a certain minimum amount of support it is to try and generate every year....and through a few good years of returns that million grows to the point where that min level of support can be achieved and there is still additional money left over from investment returns that COULD go to that professorship with a higher level of support or it COULD go to anything else

some of that income from investment returns could then legally go to athletics

but again money to some degree is fungible so another way to work things is universities (and states) set formulas for the expected expenses in faculty and classroom/lab space to support different types of degree programs

so if you have an engineering program that has a desired formula funding level of X dollars per enrolled undergrad or Y dollars per faculty member (or some combination of that) and you have a high amount if endowment dollars that are legally specified by the donor to go to engineering well using simple numbers as an example

if you have your formula(s) saying that you want to be at $10 million in budget for that engineering program based on enrollment and faculty size and you have no endowment at all for the university well 100% of that $10 million comes from tuition and state funding and you have no money tot take from there to go towards athletics unless you decide to fund that engineering program at a level that is lower than what your desired formula(s) say it should be funded....and even then you can only use an amount equal to the student tuition

so if you had a desired funding level of $10 million and you had $4 million in state funding and $6 million in tuition funding well if you wanted a terrible engineering program you could shift $6 million over to athletics and run your engineering program on state funding only (and probably have accreditation issues down the road)

now lets say you have endowment proceeds that are legally mandated to go towards engineering in an amount of $5 million

so you have a desired level of $10 million in funding, $4 million in state funds and $6 million in tuition, and $5 million in endowment proceeds specified for engineering for a total of $15 million

you can shift $1 dollar to $5 million dollars for money (it would be classified as "tuition" money) from that engineering program to athletics and you would still be at your desired $10 million in formula funding for that program

now that is an extreme example using one program (department, school, college how ever you look at it) using random numbers

but if a university had a large enough endowment even if it was mandated for specific programs they could do those same types of transfers and end up with a large amount of money for athletics and still fund programs at a high level

if a school had $50 million a year coming in endowment proceeds for a college of business and $50 million a year in endowment proceeds for a college of engineering and their formulas said that the very top programs at the universities across the USA were funding their programs at a level of $80 million each and they also had $20 million each in state funding and $30 million each on tuition for a total of $100 million well they could fund their programs at a level similar to the top programs in the USA and still have $20 million each left over to fund something else....like research, other programs with lower endowments, athletics, library resources or many other university uses

this is a general example, but basically you are shifting tuition money and at universities that have large endowments (even ones that have most or all the money with specific uses) you can still fund different departments, schools, and colleges at high levels while shifting other funding to other departments, schools, or colleges or even athletics
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RE: G5 Power Programs...
(04-10-2019 12:52 PM)MechaKnight Wrote:  
(04-06-2019 06:36 PM)McKinney Wrote:  
(04-06-2019 05:39 PM)prisonmike Wrote:  I think this is a very interesting concept. In my observations there are 3 main things P5 Univeristy Presidents look at when evaluating expansion candidates (G5 Power Programs)
1. University Endowment
2. Athletic Budget
3. Football Attendance (Fan support)
Endowment really shouldn't play a role in athletics. In some extreme cases, it may, but it should be used as a buffer against changes in economic factors as well as funding line items core to the university's mission (endowed chairs, low-income access, etc.). It's also used in a pissing match context, which I guess is what you're getting at here, but I digress.

An endowment criteria creates a near insurmountable barrier for younger schools. Big endowments come from accumulating and investing donations over time. So there's not much a young school can do to catch up with a school that has a 100 year head start on building it's endowment

Can someone explain how endowment is applicable to football power status? I'm not aware of any programs who use their endowment to pay for athletics expenses. Seems like it's just something that schools with big endowments use to separate themselves from those that don't.

Who would you rather go into business with: a rich trust fund kid or a middle class entrepreneur? Sure, the trust fund kid isn't going to go bankrupt if your joint venture fails, but how does that help you succeed?


When someone donates money to a school for Athletics scholarships, where do you think the money goes/manages it?

It becomes part of the school's endowment. Stanford a decade or so ago did a capital drive to ENDOW 100% of their athletic scholarships. They were successful. That money is sitting in Stanford's endowment, just like money donated for Computer Science scholarships, etc.

Even NAU has athletic scholarship money sitting in it's endowment fund, the yearly proceeds go to the Athletic Department to fund athletic scholarships.

And a large endowment allows the school to give more aid in general - allowing more "academic" scholarships to be given, since most sports don't give enough scholarships to field a team.
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RE: G5 Power Programs...
(04-10-2019 10:08 AM)YNot Wrote:  
(04-06-2019 01:36 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I don't believe any of the G5 conferences is close to being a Power Conference. Even though the AAC is clearly the best G5, they are not going to get a automatic New Year's Day tie, like the P5 have. Plus, the AAC carries too many bad programs. But, I do believe there are a couple Power Programs within the G5, that can play against any P5 program in the country. And, I think their are a few G5 programs that are close to becoming G5 Power Programs.

When I looked at the programs from every G5 conference, the programs I identified as Power Programs and those closing in on becoming one, have a very different way of operating. This is a team by team explanation of what I found and why I classify these programs as Power Programs.

G5 Power Programs

UCF
81% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$56 Million Athletic Budget
43,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

BYU
51% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
Athletic Budget is not available, but must be high
52,000 Attendance average in 2018
Indy schedule is loaded with P5 game both home and away

Emerging G5 Power Programs

USF
74% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$49 Million Athletic Budget
38,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

San Diego St.
70% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$51 Million Athletic Budget
31,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

Houston
63% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$57 Million Athletic Budget
29,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs or BYU)

Cincinnati
51% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$62 Million Athletic Budget
30,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

Boise State
78% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$45 Million Athletic Budget
33,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

These are the programs I believe the rest of the G5 needs to be chasing.

What are the athletic budget, attendance numbers and OOC scheduling philosophies for Memphis, ECU, Fresno St., and Colorado St.?

Just looking at 2017 attendance numbers and the last 3 years of OOC schedules, I might include those 4 in the "emerging" category.

ECU
2017 attendance = 36,727
P5 opponents- last 3 years: 7 (without any bowl games v. P5)

Memphis
2017 attendance = 36,302
P5 opponents- last 3 years: 6

Colorado St.
2017 attendance = 32,062
P5 opponents- last 3 years: 8 (without any bowl games v. P5)

Fresno St.
2017 attendance = 30,632
P5 opponents- last 3 years: 6

Temple
2017 attendance = 27,318
P5 opponents- last 3 years: 6

That is a good question, and the answer is why I did not include them on the list.

Memphis and Colorado State do a good job of scheduling, but neither play a P5 home and away OOC game every season. At least not in the near future.

ECU and Fresno State both have very average G5 OOC schedules. ECU will play 3 P5 programs in the next two seasons, and all of those games will be on the road. Fresno St. plays 6 P5 programs over the next 3 season, but will only host one of those games. Those are not the types of schedules being played by the elite G5 programs.

Temple has solid OOC schedules, and has won 63% of the games over the past three season. Temple will host 5 P5 programs over the next four seasons, and play 3 P5 road games. That is excellent scheduling. There attendance could be better, but still good. I will add them to my list. Good catch!
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RE: G5 Power Programs...
(04-06-2019 01:36 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I don't believe any G5 conference is close to being a Power Conference. Even though the AAC is clearly the best G5, they are not going to get a automatic New Year's Day tie, like the P5 have. Plus, the AAC carries too many bad programs. But, I do believe there are a couple Power Programs within the G5, that can play against any P5 program in the country. And, I think their are a few G5 programs that are close to becoming G5 Power Programs.

When I looked at the programs from every G5 conference, the programs I identified as Power Programs and those closing in on becoming one, have a very different way of operating. This is a team by team explanation of what I found and why I classify these programs as Power Programs.

G5 Power Programs

UCF
81% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$56 Million Athletic Budget
43,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

BYU
51% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
Athletic Budget is not available, but must be high
52,000 Attendance average in 2018
Indy schedule is loaded with P5 game both home and away

Emerging G5 Power Programs

USF
74% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$49 Million Athletic Budget
38,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

San Diego St.
70% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$51 Million Athletic Budget
31,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

Houston
63% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$57 Million Athletic Budget
29,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs or BYU)

Cincinnati
51% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$62 Million Athletic Budget
30,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

Boise State
78% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$45 Million Athletic Budget
33,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

Temple
63% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
Athletic Budget is not available
27,000 Attendance Average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

These are the programs I believe the rest of the G5 needs to be chasing.

I’d like to last 4 for these teams if anyone knows.
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(04-10-2019 08:06 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  
(04-06-2019 01:36 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I don't believe any G5 conference is close to being a Power Conference. Even though the AAC is clearly the best G5, they are not going to get a automatic New Year's Day tie, like the P5 have. Plus, the AAC carries too many bad programs. But, I do believe there are a couple Power Programs within the G5, that can play against any P5 program in the country. And, I think their are a few G5 programs that are close to becoming G5 Power Programs.

When I looked at the programs from every G5 conference, the programs I identified as Power Programs and those closing in on becoming one, have a very different way of operating. This is a team by team explanation of what I found and why I classify these programs as Power Programs.

G5 Power Programs

UCF
81% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$56 Million Athletic Budget
43,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

BYU
51% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
Athletic Budget is not available, but must be high
52,000 Attendance average in 2018
Indy schedule is loaded with P5 game both home and away

Emerging G5 Power Programs

USF
74% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$49 Million Athletic Budget
38,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

San Diego St.
70% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$51 Million Athletic Budget
31,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

Houston
63% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$57 Million Athletic Budget
29,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs or BYU)

Cincinnati
51% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$62 Million Athletic Budget
30,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

Boise State
78% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$45 Million Athletic Budget
33,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

Temple
63% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
Athletic Budget is not available
27,000 Attendance Average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

These are the programs I believe the rest of the G5 needs to be chasing.

I’d like to last 4 for these teams if anyone knows.


CSU is one I would not consider a power G5, check their records.


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Our athletics budget is $29M. We don't wear ourselves thin like many schools ahead of us. As of 2016, we are the lowest subsidized public university athletic program in the G5. We could increase our athletics budget easily, but it would require us to heavily subsidize it like almost everyone else in the AAC.

Our attendance in 2018 was 28,470. From 2008 to 2018, we had the second largest attendance increase in college football behind Mississippi State. This is at a time when most programs are stagnant at best.

Matt Rhule's last salary was nearly $2.5M. I believe Geoff Collins was about $2M. I believe Rod Carey is also around $2M.

Our future home schedule includes Georgia Tech, Maryland, Rutgers, BC, Miami, Duke, Oklahoma, and Penn State.
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(04-10-2019 01:23 PM)B easy Wrote:  
(04-10-2019 10:08 AM)YNot Wrote:  
(04-06-2019 01:36 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I don't believe any of the G5 conferences is close to being a Power Conference. Even though the AAC is clearly the best G5, they are not going to get a automatic New Year's Day tie, like the P5 have. Plus, the AAC carries too many bad programs. But, I do believe there are a couple Power Programs within the G5, that can play against any P5 program in the country. And, I think their are a few G5 programs that are close to becoming G5 Power Programs.

When I looked at the programs from every G5 conference, the programs I identified as Power Programs and those closing in on becoming one, have a very different way of operating. This is a team by team explanation of what I found and why I classify these programs as Power Programs.

G5 Power Programs

UCF
81% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$56 Million Athletic Budget
43,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

BYU
51% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
Athletic Budget is not available, but must be high
52,000 Attendance average in 2018
Indy schedule is loaded with P5 game both home and away

Emerging G5 Power Programs

USF
74% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$49 Million Athletic Budget
38,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

San Diego St.
70% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$51 Million Athletic Budget
31,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

Houston
63% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$57 Million Athletic Budget
29,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs or BYU)

Cincinnati
51% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$62 Million Athletic Budget
30,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

Boise State
78% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$45 Million Athletic Budget
33,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

These are the programs I believe the rest of the G5 needs to be chasing.

What are the athletic budget, attendance numbers and OOC scheduling philosophies for Memphis, ECU, Fresno St., and Colorado St.?

Just looking at 2017 attendance numbers and the last 3 years of OOC schedules, I might include those 4 in the "emerging" category.

ECU
2017 attendance = 36,727
P5 opponents- last 3 years: 7 (without any bowl games v. P5)

Memphis
2017 attendance = 36,302
P5 opponents- last 3 years: 6

Colorado St.
2017 attendance = 32,062
P5 opponents- last 3 years: 8 (without any bowl games v. P5)

Fresno St.
2017 attendance = 30,632
P5 opponents- last 3 years: 6

Temple
2017 attendance = 27,318
P5 opponents- last 3 years: 6

Imagine what ECU will be once things turn around. I rode my bike by the stadium yesterday and the renovations are impressive to say the least. IF we can turn it around this season I think a lot of people are gonna be shocked to see what a packed DFS looks like on TV. It's a better stadium and atmosphere than more than 1/2 the P5. As bad as things have been for us Pirate fans, the future still looks bright and the ability to shine is there. Like all of Pirate nation, I really love the new staff and fixing our football woes will be huge for perception.

[Image: hqdefault.jpg]
[Image: ECUStadiumRenovationConcepts001-1030x363.jpg]
[Image: 16004236-1488572929-uid14885729328678-640x360.jpg]

Here's a video that shows what the atmosphere was like before the recent suckage. Imagine what it will be like now that the renovations are set to be complete in 2 months.




Well you guys have potential to at least have a .500 season. ODU, two FCS teams, and NC state. And between USF, Uconn, Tulsa, and SMU I hope you guys can pull at least two wins.

I think a 6-6 season with no bowl is possible.
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RE: G5 Power Programs...
I think we have to keep an eye on these emerging schools.

Appalachian State
Troy
Georgia Southern
UAB
Buffalo
North Texas
Utah State

If those teams stay hot for the next few seasons? They could make a NY 6 bowl. UCF went downhill after their star QB got injured. The same way Hawii's QB Colt Brennan got injured.
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(04-11-2019 04:11 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I think we have to keep an eye on these emerging schools.

Appalachian State
Troy
Georgia Southern
UAB
Buffalo
North Texas
Utah State

If those teams stay hot for the next few seasons? They could make a NY 6 bowl. UCF went downhill after their star QB got injured. The same way Hawii's QB Colt Brennan got injured.

Appalachian State - In the middle of no where and has a winning culture. But is not going to attract a roster of 3* talent like UCF or Boise.
Troy - In the middle of no where and has a winning culture. But is not going to attract a roster of 3* talent like UCF or Boise.
Georgia Southern - In the middle of no where and has a winning culture. But is not going to attract a roster of 3* talent like UCF or Boise.
UAB - Will never be truly successful while they are less than two ours away from Alabama and technically a branch campus of Alabama.
Buffalo - I think that ship sailed before many of us were alive.
North Texas - I know bragging about what city you are in was the cool thing a few years ago. But how has that worked for CUSA?
Utah State - Face the same issue every other MWC faces.
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(04-11-2019 04:57 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(04-11-2019 04:11 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I think we have to keep an eye on these emerging schools.

Appalachian State
Troy
Georgia Southern
UAB
Buffalo
North Texas
Utah State

If those teams stay hot for the next few seasons? They could make a NY 6 bowl. UCF went downhill after their star QB got injured. The same way Hawii's QB Colt Brennan got injured.

Appalachian State - In the middle of no where and has a winning culture. But is not going to attract a roster of 3* talent like UCF or Boise.
Troy - In the middle of no where and has a winning culture. But is not going to attract a roster of 3* talent like UCF or Boise.
Georgia Southern - In the middle of no where and has a winning culture. But is not going to attract a roster of 3* talent like UCF or Boise.
UAB - Will never be truly successful while they are less than two ours away from Alabama and technically a branch campus of Alabama.
Buffalo - I think that ship sailed before many of us were alive.
North Texas - I know bragging about what city you are in was the cool thing a few years ago. But how has that worked for CUSA?
Utah State - Face the same issue every other MWC faces.

I'm not claiming we are ready to become a major player within the G5. In all honesty, I think we still have work to do on the field, in facilities, attendance, scheduling, and finances.

But, I don't understand your comment about our place in C-USA. North Texas has played in 4 bowl game over the 6 seasons we have been in C-USA, and I think most people know we have better fan support than the last Dallas area program that was in C-USA.
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RE: G5 Power Programs...
(04-11-2019 08:18 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(04-11-2019 04:57 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(04-11-2019 04:11 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I think we have to keep an eye on these emerging schools.

Appalachian State
Troy
Georgia Southern
UAB
Buffalo
North Texas
Utah State

If those teams stay hot for the next few seasons? They could make a NY 6 bowl. UCF went downhill after their star QB got injured. The same way Hawii's QB Colt Brennan got injured.

Appalachian State - In the middle of no where and has a winning culture. But is not going to attract a roster of 3* talent like UCF or Boise.
Troy - In the middle of no where and has a winning culture. But is not going to attract a roster of 3* talent like UCF or Boise.
Georgia Southern - In the middle of no where and has a winning culture. But is not going to attract a roster of 3* talent like UCF or Boise.
UAB - Will never be truly successful while they are less than two ours away from Alabama and technically a branch campus of Alabama.
Buffalo - I think that ship sailed before many of us were alive.
North Texas - I know bragging about what city you are in was the cool thing a few years ago. But how has that worked for CUSA?
Utah State - Face the same issue every other MWC faces.

I'm not claiming we are ready to become a major player within the G5. In all honesty, I think we still have work to do on the field, in facilities, attendance, scheduling, and finances.

But, I don't understand your comment about our place in C-USA. North Texas has played in 4 bowl game over the 6 seasons we have been in C-USA, and I think most people know we have better fan support than the last Dallas area program that was in C-USA.

I was not saying that UNT cannot become a great team nor have they performed bad. I was arguing against the notion that any of the teams on this list would be considered "an emerging school". And I have been to your stadium, it honestly one of the more nice newer stadiums I have been to.

For example, Georgia Southern. Only someone who does not know football would be surprised if Georgia Southern wins 9-11 games. But they are not about to make a NY6 bowl or shake the landscape. Their boys simply worked hard and won a bunch of games.

Same with UNT, you guys had a great season.
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RE: G5 Power Programs...
(04-11-2019 03:43 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(04-10-2019 01:23 PM)B easy Wrote:  
(04-10-2019 10:08 AM)YNot Wrote:  
(04-06-2019 01:36 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I don't believe any of the G5 conferences is close to being a Power Conference. Even though the AAC is clearly the best G5, they are not going to get a automatic New Year's Day tie, like the P5 have. Plus, the AAC carries too many bad programs. But, I do believe there are a couple Power Programs within the G5, that can play against any P5 program in the country. And, I think their are a few G5 programs that are close to becoming G5 Power Programs.

When I looked at the programs from every G5 conference, the programs I identified as Power Programs and those closing in on becoming one, have a very different way of operating. This is a team by team explanation of what I found and why I classify these programs as Power Programs.

G5 Power Programs

UCF
81% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$56 Million Athletic Budget
43,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

BYU
51% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
Athletic Budget is not available, but must be high
52,000 Attendance average in 2018
Indy schedule is loaded with P5 game both home and away

Emerging G5 Power Programs

USF
74% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$49 Million Athletic Budget
38,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

San Diego St.
70% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$51 Million Athletic Budget
31,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

Houston
63% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$57 Million Athletic Budget
29,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs or BYU)

Cincinnati
51% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$62 Million Athletic Budget
30,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

Boise State
78% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$45 Million Athletic Budget
33,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

These are the programs I believe the rest of the G5 needs to be chasing.

What are the athletic budget, attendance numbers and OOC scheduling philosophies for Memphis, ECU, Fresno St., and Colorado St.?

Just looking at 2017 attendance numbers and the last 3 years of OOC schedules, I might include those 4 in the "emerging" category.

ECU
2017 attendance = 36,727
P5 opponents- last 3 years: 7 (without any bowl games v. P5)

Memphis
2017 attendance = 36,302
P5 opponents- last 3 years: 6

Colorado St.
2017 attendance = 32,062
P5 opponents- last 3 years: 8 (without any bowl games v. P5)

Fresno St.
2017 attendance = 30,632
P5 opponents- last 3 years: 6

Temple
2017 attendance = 27,318
P5 opponents- last 3 years: 6

Imagine what ECU will be once things turn around. I rode my bike by the stadium yesterday and the renovations are impressive to say the least. IF we can turn it around this season I think a lot of people are gonna be shocked to see what a packed DFS looks like on TV. It's a better stadium and atmosphere than more than 1/2 the P5. As bad as things have been for us Pirate fans, the future still looks bright and the ability to shine is there. Like all of Pirate nation, I really love the new staff and fixing our football woes will be huge for perception.

[Image: hqdefault.jpg]
[Image: ECUStadiumRenovationConcepts001-1030x363.jpg]
[Image: 16004236-1488572929-uid14885729328678-640x360.jpg]

Here's a video that shows what the atmosphere was like before the recent suckage. Imagine what it will be like now that the renovations are set to be complete in 2 months.




Well you guys have potential to at least have a .500 season. ODU, two FCS teams, and NC state. And between USF, Uconn, Tulsa, and SMU I hope you guys can pull at least two wins.

I think a 6-6 season with no bowl is possible.

Just curious, why no bowl? The conference has more than enough guaranteed tie ins not including NY6 and/or secondary opportunities that have been available the past couple of years.
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RE: G5 Power Programs...
(04-11-2019 09:12 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  
(04-11-2019 03:43 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(04-10-2019 01:23 PM)B easy Wrote:  
(04-10-2019 10:08 AM)YNot Wrote:  
(04-06-2019 01:36 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I don't believe any of the G5 conferences is close to being a Power Conference. Even though the AAC is clearly the best G5, they are not going to get a automatic New Year's Day tie, like the P5 have. Plus, the AAC carries too many bad programs. But, I do believe there are a couple Power Programs within the G5, that can play against any P5 program in the country. And, I think their are a few G5 programs that are close to becoming G5 Power Programs.

When I looked at the programs from every G5 conference, the programs I identified as Power Programs and those closing in on becoming one, have a very different way of operating. This is a team by team explanation of what I found and why I classify these programs as Power Programs.

G5 Power Programs

UCF
81% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$56 Million Athletic Budget
43,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

BYU
51% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
Athletic Budget is not available, but must be high
52,000 Attendance average in 2018
Indy schedule is loaded with P5 game both home and away

Emerging G5 Power Programs

USF
74% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$49 Million Athletic Budget
38,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

San Diego St.
70% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$51 Million Athletic Budget
31,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

Houston
63% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$57 Million Athletic Budget
29,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs or BYU)

Cincinnati
51% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$62 Million Athletic Budget
30,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

Boise State
78% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$45 Million Athletic Budget
33,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

These are the programs I believe the rest of the G5 needs to be chasing.

What are the athletic budget, attendance numbers and OOC scheduling philosophies for Memphis, ECU, Fresno St., and Colorado St.?

Just looking at 2017 attendance numbers and the last 3 years of OOC schedules, I might include those 4 in the "emerging" category.

ECU
2017 attendance = 36,727
P5 opponents- last 3 years: 7 (without any bowl games v. P5)

Memphis
2017 attendance = 36,302
P5 opponents- last 3 years: 6

Colorado St.
2017 attendance = 32,062
P5 opponents- last 3 years: 8 (without any bowl games v. P5)

Fresno St.
2017 attendance = 30,632
P5 opponents- last 3 years: 6

Temple
2017 attendance = 27,318
P5 opponents- last 3 years: 6

Imagine what ECU will be once things turn around. I rode my bike by the stadium yesterday and the renovations are impressive to say the least. IF we can turn it around this season I think a lot of people are gonna be shocked to see what a packed DFS looks like on TV. It's a better stadium and atmosphere than more than 1/2 the P5. As bad as things have been for us Pirate fans, the future still looks bright and the ability to shine is there. Like all of Pirate nation, I really love the new staff and fixing our football woes will be huge for perception.

[Image: hqdefault.jpg]
[Image: ECUStadiumRenovationConcepts001-1030x363.jpg]
[Image: 16004236-1488572929-uid14885729328678-640x360.jpg]

Here's a video that shows what the atmosphere was like before the recent suckage. Imagine what it will be like now that the renovations are set to be complete in 2 months.




Well you guys have potential to at least have a .500 season. ODU, two FCS teams, and NC state. And between USF, Uconn, Tulsa, and SMU I hope you guys can pull at least two wins.

I think a 6-6 season with no bowl is possible.

Just curious, why no bowl? The conference has more than enough guaranteed tie ins not including NY6 and/or secondary opportunities that have been available the past couple of years.


Because at 6-6 with TWO FCS wins, they are 5-6 for Bowl Eligibility
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Missed that part, thx.
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RE: G5 Power Programs...
(04-10-2019 01:23 PM)B easy Wrote:  
(04-10-2019 10:08 AM)YNot Wrote:  
(04-06-2019 01:36 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I don't believe any of the G5 conferences is close to being a Power Conference. Even though the AAC is clearly the best G5, they are not going to get a automatic New Year's Day tie, like the P5 have. Plus, the AAC carries too many bad programs. But, I do believe there are a couple Power Programs within the G5, that can play against any P5 program in the country. And, I think their are a few G5 programs that are close to becoming G5 Power Programs.

When I looked at the programs from every G5 conference, the programs I identified as Power Programs and those closing in on becoming one, have a very different way of operating. This is a team by team explanation of what I found and why I classify these programs as Power Programs.

G5 Power Programs

UCF
81% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$56 Million Athletic Budget
43,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

BYU
51% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
Athletic Budget is not available, but must be high
52,000 Attendance average in 2018
Indy schedule is loaded with P5 game both home and away

Emerging G5 Power Programs

USF
74% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$49 Million Athletic Budget
38,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

San Diego St.
70% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$51 Million Athletic Budget
31,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

Houston
63% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$57 Million Athletic Budget
29,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs or BYU)

Cincinnati
51% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$62 Million Athletic Budget
30,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

Boise State
78% Winning record over the last 3 seasons
$45 Million Athletic Budget
33,000 Attendance average in 2018
OOC Scheduling (Annual home and away games with P5 programs)

These are the programs I believe the rest of the G5 needs to be chasing.

What are the athletic budget, attendance numbers and OOC scheduling philosophies for Memphis, ECU, Fresno St., and Colorado St.?

Just looking at 2017 attendance numbers and the last 3 years of OOC schedules, I might include those 4 in the "emerging" category.

ECU
2017 attendance = 36,727
P5 opponents- last 3 years: 7 (without any bowl games v. P5)

Memphis
2017 attendance = 36,302
P5 opponents- last 3 years: 6

Colorado St.
2017 attendance = 32,062
P5 opponents- last 3 years: 8 (without any bowl games v. P5)

Fresno St.
2017 attendance = 30,632
P5 opponents- last 3 years: 6

Temple
2017 attendance = 27,318
P5 opponents- last 3 years: 6

Imagine what ECU will be once things turn around. I rode my bike by the stadium yesterday and the renovations are impressive to say the least. IF we can turn it around this season I think a lot of people are gonna be shocked to see what a packed DFS looks like on TV. It's a better stadium and atmosphere than more than 1/2 the P5. As bad as things have been for us Pirate fans, the future still looks bright and the ability to shine is there. Like all of Pirate nation, I really love the new staff and fixing our football woes will be huge for perception.

[Image: hqdefault.jpg]
[Image: ECUStadiumRenovationConcepts001-1030x363.jpg]
[Image: 16004236-1488572929-uid14885729328678-640x360.jpg]

Here's a video that shows what the atmosphere was like before the recent suckage. Imagine what it will be like now that the renovations are set to be complete in 2 months.




FIFY
“I think tens of people are gonna be shocked to see what a packed DFS looks like on ESPN+.”
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